CUTTER,BULKER, CUTTING, BULKING-BS!,here it is 1more time

[Doctor pump]

I thought you just didn't want to hear that exact phrase,"im coming off a bulker and now im doing a cutter",because it sounds so retarded

[JWmuscle]

and one more time........

[AnTiDeatH]

and one more time........

Umm i don't think people like taking advice from a quitter, and i dont even know why you bumped this since kmmuscle has already reposted this twice.

[dee213]

agreed. u should never bulk in hope of muscle mass. i think pro's like lee priest bulk off season because they wanna let loose, get fat and then just burn it afterwards. doesnt seem to make lee any bigger year by year.

[Frank_The_Tank]

and one more time........

When did you get unbanned?

[AnaerobicAndrew]

and one more time........

Wow, thanks for bring a month old rant post back to life.

[ukstrongman]

Welcome back JC.

[jimmythegreek]

i am one of the rookies that did a bulk regerting it now ....but i guess u learn ur lesson..after i trim down im gonna keep my bf pretty low all year around..

[StrongInChrist]

LMAO

What're your stats again?

The people that take DC's advice, and are advanced lifters tend to be above 250 and relatively lean. The people that run bulkers/cutters are what?

Lee Priest cuts and bulks and does pretty well dont you think? I am personally dont agree with the way the teen newbees do it either. Ive heard as bad as "Im bulking for 4 weeks cutting for 6 weeks". I am currently on a bulk and have been for 8 months now and will be for probably 8 more. It all depends on what you consider bulking. I am about 12 % right now and have gained 30 pounds. I plan on finshing around 15% and 50 pounds heavier. Then again I can cut on like 4000 calories because I was always skinny so to gain any weight I need to eat like a pig and I consider that bulking.

[jimmythegreek]

big mistake is to stop doing cardio all togther..

[Fryzie]

okay so if im gonna stop bulking and cutting but still want to gain muscle by 'clean bulking' so i can keep my bodyfat low... what should my diet look like? are there any examples? I thought the bulks i were doing previously were clean (i was only having oats/brown rice/wholegrain bread and harldy no saturated fat. I dont know how I could possibly make it any cleaner than what i was. Also do you still do any cardio in this 'clean bulk'?

[Xc]

Wow this is kind of sad. Someone posts a diet/training technique and both sides are flamming like crazy.

Personaly i do a mixture of both. I would probably do DC's diet technique, but since im in school for most of the day, it's a little hard to eat alot of clean foods (hurray for sandwiches).

[parkway drive]

I think the guy who wrote this article is very unsecure. He doesnt want any fat cause he is afraid his already low self esteem is about to get a bit lower when he looks in the mirror and his abs are not visible anymore.

Oh and something else. Bulking 10 months is like paradise. YOu can eat everything you want and personally I dont give a **** about my looks during that period. I just eat what I like and I add size. The 2 months im cutting I have to be strict and that is hard but its worth it.

I dont like the idea of being strict the entire year and watch everything you eat every single day of the year just to have a low bf constantly. I mean.. whats the point of having a 7% bf in the winter...

Look ok. Lets do the math then.

In your method that's
10months bulking
2months cutting

10months - of muscle gains
2 months - cutting hard to lose all the fat while possibly losing small amounts of muscle.

in DOGGCRAPP you dont need 2months to cut becuase you bodyfat % stays crazily low!
so thats
11.5months bulking - gaining muscle
.5months cutting - not gaining muscle, thats only if you actualy thing you NEED to cut.

dude thats 1.5-2months of gains you lose EVERY year. that all builds up !!!

[parkway drive]

I disagree completely. If bulking and cutting don't work, then tell me what this is (once again): http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=433420

True, its good to stay as clean as possible, but big bulking works for some people. It refreshes my body mentally and physically to go to a chinese buffet and just eat a ton. I don't consider it 2 steps forward and 1 step back to cut and bulk. To each his own...

noones saying cutting/bulking doesnt work. just which is more efficient.

[DCR2489]

I completely agree with DC's views. I do cardio 4-5 times a week with soccer/running to keep in shape for soccer as well as lifting 3 times a week, and in the past year i've went from 130 to 170 pounds, not great by some of your standards, but good progress for me considering i was clueless for about the first 8 months and maintained the same bodyfat as before.

[Jacked_J]

I completely agree with DC's views. I do cardio 4-5 times a week with soccer/running to keep in shape for soccer as well as lifting 3 times a week, and in the past year i've went from 130 to 170 pounds, not great by some of your standards, but good progress for me considering i was clueless for about the first 8 months and maintained the same bodyfat as before.

You're young remember. I'm sure a lot of that weight came from simple growth.

Anyways, I love hearing the dirty bulk stories and the ectomorphs trying to get fat. It makes me laugh.

Doing cardiovascular exercise and lifting heavy work hand in hand which is contrary to what everyone thinks. You won't burn muscle doing some cardiovascular exersice. You'd have to run out of glycogen stores before that happens, and other fat stores, which is like very hard to do. Also, cardiovascular exercises improves your recovery, which in turn helps you grow faster!

[BB_7:11]

I totally agree with him, being a n00b and all....




Checkout my workout and stats in my attachments

[kliplemet]

what does "DC" stand for? Dante's Cock?

[SuiCiDaL cLoWn]

doggcrapp

[hazzard623]

lol doggcrapp thats sounds like a nice program...

[solidmusclejake]

so your saying if you start out allready overweight, if you just eat alot(healthy) lift and do cardio you will lose bodyfat and gain muscle? please explain i am kind of interested but confused?

[JustinMarquez]

I find it difficult to gain muscle at a low bf percentage. I am an ectomorph and my body doesn't like putting on weight. If I break a few rules however i.e. mixing fats and carbs and no carb cutoffs, then the fat gains come but stop around 12% or so and any gains beyond that are pretty much all muscle. I tried the DC diet approach, and made some muscle gains. If I follow a not so clean diet, I get better results. But the heavy lifting made my muscles as hard as a rock. The density the prgram gives you is awsome. The DC diet approach obviously works well for a lot of people though, just not me specifically. DC lifting will make you one strong guy though. I am looking for functional strength though and good physical prepardness, so it wasn't the right routine for me. However, pretty much every guy who does a DC routine with a dialed in diet gets pretty big pretty fast.

[JWmuscle]

JUST FOR THE RECORD.....

THIS IS NOT MY POST! THIS IS DC's post.

so stop PM'ing me please

[Hue Ghas]

Cutting shouldn't be practiced by people in this forum anyway!
Use this time for growth instead of worrying about your damn abs.

[RippedNYLifter]

ttt

[xxbigdavexx117]

so what the hell is this guy advocating??

[xxbigdavexx117]

what is this guy promoting??

[z4ck]

Cutting shouldn't be practiced by people in this forum anyway!
Use this time for growth instead of worrying about your damn abs.

How the hell do you figure that? Abs look much better than having a gut.

I don't completely understand the topic post, is he saying to cut and bulk at the same time?

[justinbrown]

How the hell do you figure that? Abs look much better than having a gut.

I don't completely understand the topic post, is he saying to cut and bulk at the same time?

hes saying to clean bulk with a bit of cardio so that yu dont need to cut

[z4ck]

hes saying to clean bulk with a bit of cardio so that yu dont need to cut

That actually makes sense, I think I might try it.