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[moore93]

I need some help. We tend to get obese people join here wanting to change. They make an account but rarely last for more than a week or two. I'm looking for ideas to make them stay. Maybe have a group that pours over the site daily looking for newbs then alerts the rest of the group to take them under their wing. Offer support and guidence. We need to offer advice without information overload also. Any other ideas?

Easy, show them other fat people's before and afters and let them know they're relatable to success stories. They were both weak willed people that let themselves get fat in the first place so it's not like the "now ripped guy" is somehow more strong willed.

"I was just like you, didn't think I could do it. Then I forced myself to eat better for just 3 days, I saw a pound come off so I did it 3 more days, just keep repeating it's that easy. If you can do it for 1 day you can do it for 365, it's just repetition, I'm the same low self esteem video gamer with no physical activity as you were, I'm not different" etc etc.

Then show them the "how did people treat you differently after losing weight" threads. <---GOAT.

Appetite suppressants don't hurt either. ;_;

[missladyj]

Easy, show them other fat people's before and afters and let them know they're relatable to success stories. They were both weak willed people that let themselves get fat in the first place so it's not like the "now ripped guy" is somehow more strong willed.

Agreed. Something we could do when this thread is renewed is maybe have all the regulars' "before" and "afters" in the very first post with an invitation for anyone to chat.

An official competition thread could be cool too...especially if supp companies donate some free prizes to winners and what not. Or even just some bb.com swag.

[Znik]

Agreed. Something we could do when this thread is renewed is maybe have all the regulars' "before" and "afters" in the very first post with an invitation for anyone to chat.

Think we may have to do Moore's pics in reverse or some serious photoshopping then.

[NitrogenWidget]

You good on potassium etc. since you are cramping ? I got some seriously fked up cramps and contractions before I got potassium supplement.
My workouts take long as I do 100% focus on strength and heavy tension stimuli to preserve as much as I humanly can.

Your due for a woosh since you ain't losing.

I've got the pills.
But honestly it only happens when I cut greek yogurt out on low carb days.

so i've been trying to make greek yogurt my pre-workout.

[missladyj]

Think we may have to do Moore's pics in reverse or some serious photoshopping then.

Inb4 Moore negs

[NitrogenWidget]

There is a bag of smore's cereal on the kitchen table the kids left out.

[caprica6]

Keep brainstorming, guys!

I need some help. We tend to get obese people join here wanting to change. They make an account but rarely last for more than a week or two. I'm looking for ideas to make them stay. Maybe have a group that pours over the site daily looking for newbs then alerts the rest of the group to take them under their wing. Offer support and guidence. We need to offer advice without information overload also. Any other ideas?

Something you can implement right now-

>make the next challenge thread a sticky
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=170850911

>and add a green arrow or smiley to the front of the title and swap out the title with this:

April 1st - May 31st Fat Loss and Motivation Thread. Open to All!

(I've added some capitalization and added the text "open to all".)

Site veterans in the challenges often take ppl under their wing. We used to post the dmacdonal copypasta at the start of the thread. i'll try to do that later or anyone else who happens to see this can do that for me. Edit: No time to do that right now.

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MissLadyJ, I'll be doing hill sprints at my brother's place. I won't have gym access there. ttyl, hopefully tomorrow.

[moore93]

Think we may have to do Moore's pics in reverse or some serious photoshopping then.

You funny mother fukker.

[EjnarKolinkar]

Hey cap where is that thread we posted our stories/pics, and supposed to update periodically? I thought I subbed it, but not sure what it was called?

[MuzzieChik786]

I fell off the bus yesterday. Still fallen. In a bucket of Nutella.

Tomorrow...

I have a reason tho. 3 actually. And they're good.

Znik, what's the number?

[Znik]

Site veterans in the challenges often take ppl under their wing. We used to post the dmacdonal copypasta at the start of the thread. i'll try to do that later or anyone else who happens to see this can do that for me. Edit: No time to do that right now.

[quote]

Basic Fat Loss Process

1. Calculate your calories and macros
2. Eat about 20% less calories than you burn each day while still meeting minimum protein and fat. Get the remainder of cals from carbs.
3. Buy a kitchen scale and weigh everything that you eat.
4. Count calories using a site like MyFitnessPal. Here's how to count accurately.
5. Lift heavy weights to preserve muscle mass, on a structured program (see below). Why not your own routine? Read this. Don't wait, start lifting yesterday!
6. Cardio is optional; do it if you like to increase your calorie deficit. Do it on off days from lifting and don't let it interfere with recovery.
7. Still not losing weight? Stuck on a plateau? Read this. And remember, you are not special.

Beginner Workout Programs:
All Pro's Beginner Routine
Stronglifts 5x5
Fierce 5
Starting Strength
Ice Cream Fitness 5X5

How to lift properly

Counting calories accurately requires precision. Read these:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=148418313
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=154981223
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/13/op...tive.html?_r=0
http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk...d-calories.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084


And watch this informative video with terrible music: http://youtu.be/JVjWPclrWVY

Important Stuff To Know
- Weight loss is not linear and predictable. Weigh yourself every day and track the average. Ignore short term fluctuations.
- No specific food has a fat loss advantage over any other food. Eat foods you enjoy that deliver adequate macros and micros.
- Cardio is not necessary to lose fat. It's just a tool to increase your net calorie deficit.
- Muscle loss is not an issue if you get adequate protein and train properly, even on a big deficit (unless perhaps you are already quite lean).
- Don't train on a bro-split from a magazine. Unless you've been training for a year or two, you will probably do better on a full body strength program designed by an expert. You are probably not an expert.
- Keto offers no fat loss advantage over any other caloric deficit, except perhaps for very obese, sedentary folks.
- Eating fat does not make you fat. Low fat diets screw up your body. Adequate dietary fat is crucially important.
- The only bad fat is trans fat. Saturated fat is fine unless you eat stupid amounts of it.
- Protein powder is a processed convenience food and offers no advantage over protein from whole foods. Use it if you like, it's fine. Remember to count the calories in it.
- Sugar & simple carbs are irrelevant for fat loss as long as you hit your macros within a calorie deficit.
- You cannot, in any way, change where your body chooses to burn fat from. There is no spot reduction.
- Eat 1 meal/day or 10, there is no measurable effect on fat loss.
- Eating carbs before bed is irrelevant within a calorie deficit and adequate macros.
- You do not have metabolic damage unless you've been eating starvation level calories for a very long time.

I think that is about the bare minimum, slight information overload but it covers all the bases.

You funny mother fukker.

I fell off the bus yesterday. Still fallen. In a bucket of Nutella.

Tomorrow...

I have a reason tho. 3 actually. And they're good.

Znik, what's the number?

The ugly water retention beast has arrived, popped back up to 244lbs.

Stop screwing around and get losing.

[NitrogenWidget]

[QUOTE=Znik;1431309861]

The ugly water retention beast has arrived, popped back up to 244lbs.

Stop screwing around and get losing.

190.6!! damn.
I'm holding more than water.

Perhaps there is a ritual I can perform?

[Znik]

[QUOTE=NitrogenWidget;1431320081]

190.6!! damn.
I'm holding more than water.

Perhaps there is a ritual I can perform?

Very strong coffee gets me sorted.

eta: Nitro have you reached the "feel insanely cold" stage yet ? My hands are like lumps of ice.

[NitrogenWidget]

[QUOTE=Znik;1431321271]

Very strong coffee gets me sorted.

eta: Nitro have you reached the "feel insanely cold" stage yet ? My hands are like lumps of ice.

yep brewed a pot of coffee in half a pot.
"whoosh"

too bad I had already drank half a gallon of water to combat the cracked lips I woke up with plus the coffee so weighing myself was useless.

Well, it's like 24 degrees F here so my extremities are always cold.
But I know the feel.
I need to drop 10 more lbs before I get it though.
then my toes go numb just from the cold wood floors and i'm wearing wool socks to bed & bundling my feet up with blankets.
sometimes my two smallest fingers will turn white. LOL!

right now I just don't sleep.
I just lay there not moving until a few hrs before the alarm then i'm out.
But I took some Valerian root last night & pulled 7hrs.
could of been the root or the fact I got no sleep the night before.

[GSXRMax]

wow did abs yesterday and rode the bike to work today. never again -_-

at red lights i couldn't sit up straight and when i finally got off i was hunchbacking to the door haha

[Znik]

right now I just don't sleep.
I just lay there not moving until a few hrs before the alarm then i'm out.
But I took some Valerian root last night & pulled 7hrs.
could of been the root or the fact I got no sleep the night before.

My sleep quality has drastically improved (but that could be that I am fully worn out come evening) but my sleep duration is decreased, only need 5-7 hours now rather than 8-11.

[GSXRMax]

2 clean 2 b true?

[Znik]

2 clean 2 b true?

Looks expensive

[GSXRMax]

very expensive. i got it from a local hospital my ex worked at for cheap. it tastes like a mouthful of sawdust.

http://www.professionalsupplementcen...r92Percent.htm

[kureransu]

2 clean 2 b true?

I'm not adding up to 106 calories. I'm getting like 98-99 calories.


Man 4 ingredients. That's impressive.

[GSXRMax]

Man 4 ingredients. That's impressive.

i know whey is listed first, but i wonder what the ratio of whey to soy is. but yeah can't beat hospital grade powders. they sacrifice flavor but they're very strict on ingredients for allergy reasons

[Znik]

I'm not adding up to 106 calories. I'm getting like 98-99 calories.


Man 4 ingredients. That's impressive.

Something wrong with the labeling I guess, the other link had


which adds up more closely.

[GSXRMax]

the link was vanilla. my pic was chocolate. i'm guessing those extra calories were from some low enough to be undeclared carbs or fats

[missladyj]

You guys didn't lose anything because I lost it for you...down 2lbs this morning

[Znik]

You guys didn't lose anything because I lost it for you...down 2lbs this morning

So that's where those 2lbs came from.

[GSXRMax]

Matter can not be created nor destroyed, only transferred.

damn, fcked by physics yet again

[NitrogenWidget]

You guys didn't lose anything because I lost it for you...down 2lbs this morning

It was all muscle doh'

[kureransu]

You guys didn't lose anything because I lost it for you...down 2lbs this morning

good job

So that's where those 2lbs came from.

is this day 21 or 22? are you gunna beat me?

[Znik]

is this day 21 or 22? are you gunna beat me?

Day 15.
Did you do final weigh in on the 28th or 29th day ?

[GSXRMax]

site went down for 5 minutes and i gained 3 lbs