what does Kai need to improve

[Ryanreece]

Besides traps. What muscles would you increase. I would say delts chest and triceps. I also think he hits the back relaxed wrong and it hurts him. What other things would you work on?

[rep8]

Besides traps. What muscles would you increase. I would say delts chest and triceps. I also think he hits the back relaxed wrong and it hurts him. What other things would you work on?

I would say come shredded just for that O title, otherwise the way he is he can win many pro shows and be top bodybuilder...its cool

[RobberBaron13]

Chest ,shoulders and traps imo, and of course to come in peeled.

[Larfleeze]

His traps are too big bruh, they outsize him. He obviously needs to work on his dues and sponsorship.

[hairlineofpeace]

his past






srs: maybe keeping his gut under control, this might be some sort of leverage for Kai.

[Unbiasedfan]

He can't improve his insertions (tris and bis), so i guess delts, traps and chest.

[RobberBaron13]

Ronnie didnt have perfect insertions in his bis and tris either, that didnt hurt him.
His chest and traps seem the biggest issue to me, besides being inconsistent when it comes to coming peeled .

[Unbiasedfan]

Ronnie didnt have perfect insertions in his bis and tris either, that didnt hurt him.
His chest and traps seem the biggest issue to me, besides being inconsistent when it comes to coming peeled .

His bis are mostly fine, even helps him from the back. His tris is where the greatest issue is imo. When hitting the side tris and the crab (which he stupidly insists on hitting ), standing next to phil especially, his tries hurt him badly imo

[B-Neva]

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[RobberBaron13]

His bis are mostly fine, even helps him from the back. His tris is where the greatest issue is imo. When hitting the side tris and the crab (which he stupidly insists on hitting ), standing next to phil especially, his tries hurt him badly imo

His biceps look good in the back double bi pose, his peaked bis are a big advantage in the back double , more so than in front double bi, imo.
His tris, although huge dont look good in the side triceps, even Coleman had this .Maybe its his lateral head?or just the insertion is not perfect?
The crab yeah, Kai simply doesn't pull it off but for some reason he likes hitting it.
Although I still say it's his chest(lacks thickness) and traps ( lack size) who hold him back.Arms aren't that decisive in modern bodybuilding, not like in the past at least.

[Unbiasedfan]

His biceps look good in the back double bi pose, his peaked bis are a big advantage in the back double , more so than in front double bi, imo.
His tris, although huge dont look good in the side triceps, even Coleman had this .Maybe its his lateral head?or just the insertion is not perfect?
The crab yeah, Kai simply doesn't pull it off but for some reason he likes hitting it.
Although I still say it's his chest(lacks thickness) and traps ( lack size) who hold him back.Arms aren't that decisive in modern bodybuilding, not like in the past at least.

Coleman had a genetically weak lateral head, and yes, kai suffers from the same problem. Doesn't have much room to grow. Coleman could easily deal with that weakness because he was so dominant, but with kai it just compounds with other issues. It gets even more noticeable because he is trying to beat one of the best set of tris of all time.

Personally i would put kai's issues in the last competitive years in this order of "importance":

1- Condition and or fullness (consistence);
2- traps;
3- bloated midsection;
4- tris;
5- chest thickness.

[alex070707]

Coleman had a genetically weak lateral head, and yes, kai suffers from the same problem. Doesn't have much room to grow. Coleman could easily deal with that weakness because he was so dominant, but with kai it just compounds with other issues. It gets even more noticeable because he is trying to beat one of the best set of tris of all time.

Personally i would put kai's issues in the last competitive years in this order of "importance":

1- Condition and or fullness (consistence);
2- traps;
3- bloated midsection;
4- tris;
5- chest thickness.

Pretty much this and while I do think Kai is a very good poser the way he hits the back relaxed and most muscular is not in his advantage. Also I think he needs to move his legs more when hittqing the ab&thigh.

[Diamhea]

Ronnie didnt have perfect insertions in his bis and tris either, that didnt hurt him.

I retort that it did indeed hurt him, but it didn't matter because Ronnie is/was such a freak.

[BartPimpson]

Unfortunately he needs to make all sorts of judging panel gains before he stands a chance.

[DPNZ]

The things he needs to "improve" are things that can't be fixed in the gym.

[flangmasterj]

Just needs to tone down the dong gargling and tone up for both judging and finals.

[TropicalSunset]

Not sure why so many are pointing out his chest. I feel like it is fine. His triceps would need to come up, but don't feel like he can improve them much more.

His weakness are his shoulders and traps and that is using the word weakness very bravely, because he has very few faults.

His gut on the other side is a HUGE flaw and he needs to bring it in.

But let us face it...Kai with conditioning defeats Phil. Hell, even without pefrect conditioning he beat him in everyone's eyes by the judges'.

[stealth_swimmer]

His traps are too big bruh, they outsize him. He obviously needs to work on his dues and sponsorship.

His traps are too big from the front. They dominate the other surrounding muscle groups in his crab most muscular. From the back though, the lower traps in the rhomboid area - that's the part that needs to come up.

I think like someone else said a while back, it's possible his lats are just so thick they're covering up those other muscles.


Anyways, Kai just needs to come in shredded. Yeah, I get where people are coming from when they say he already tried that in 2012...but the thing is he needs to KEEP doing it. Over and over. He might catch Phil slippin again and have himself in the best position to move up. Dexter won an Olympia that way, no reason Kai can't do the same. Yes, I do think realistically, Phil would have to be off (because he's that good that even when he's off, he's still really conditioned). But yes, I do think Kai can win, but even if he can't, he can definitely improve his physique and get better.


Other than lower traps/rhomboids - again, NOT the upper traps because those show up in the crab most muscular and seems like they're already too big - he could also bring up his shoulders (especially the medial head) and come in with cuts in his erectors (if he already has that, then he needs to pose in a way that shows them), but that probably just comes with getting tighter.


Not sure he can bring up those medial delts though. After Lee Thompson pointed out that one of them looks collapsed, I couldn't help but notice it, and it's always that one side so maybe it's due to some sort of injury or something. Or maybe it's genetic? Like my biceps for example - not only is my left bicep smaller than my right, but it's actually shorter so it has better peak.

Not sure why so many are pointing out his chest. I feel like it is fine. His triceps would need to come up, but don't feel like he can improve them much more.

His weakness are his shoulders and traps and that is using the word weakness very bravely, because he has very few faults.

His gut on the other side is a HUGE flaw and he needs to bring it in.

But let us face it...Kai with conditioning defeats Phil. Hell, even without pefrect conditioning he beat him in everyone's eyes by the judges'.

Gut's gotta be kept in check for sure (same for Phil, though last year was the first time he had it).

As for conditioning, I think people had him beating Phil despite worse conditioning because they like him. Sure it's possible that they just prefer that look, but again Phil still had better condition. In 2012, it was actually really close from a conditioning standpoint, and i think you could've flipped a coin that year to determine the winner. That's why I think Kai needs to focus on coming in shredded each time.

[WizardsOfAus]

He needs to get back to what he looked like in 2009:

[Unbiasedfan]

Other than lower traps/rhomboids - again, NOT the upper traps because those show up in the crab most muscular and seems like they're already too big

Wrong, he needs to thicken up traps from top too bottom ( to improve his 3 back poses) and hit a different most muscular.



Lets not develop those upper traps because of a pose he doesn't have to do, while damaging 3 others, makes sense...

[BartPimpson]

He needs to get back to what he looked like in 2009:

"What he looked like in 2009" would probably lose to Dennis Wolf and Shawn Rhoden.

If you think his 2009 physique was more artistic or, god forbid, a*sth*t*c, then that's fine. But from a bodybuilding standpoint he really needs more mass than he had back then.

[jaredmus]

He needs to get back to what he looked like in 2009:

silvio was a good bodybuilder always in good shape, shows how toney really went down each year after this his legs musst be a full 3 inches smaller and his BF at least 1-2% higher now when he competes, none the less looks great for his agge

[MaKaiser]

His posing.

[NickM205]

Wrong, he needs to thicken up traps from top too bottom ( to improve his 3 back poses) and hit a different most muscular.



Lets not develop those upper traps because of a pose he doesn't have to do, while damaging 3 others, makes sense...

Do you understand that its not like a set of legos? You don't just add another piece?

He's max out. His structure and genetics etc likely won't really allow him to grow his traps any further.

Don't you think hes aware of his weaknesses, or they have been pointed out to him? Everyone has weaknesses.

[Gorky88]

Maxed out? he improved his traps last year. Why cant he improve a little more next year?
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As for 2009, that was Kai's most beautiful physique while being symmetrical, proportionate and all those good things. However, he looked better in Sheru finals for sure and also Arnold Classic Europe 2013.

I guess since Olympia matters more people always mention Olympias. However, those were the two shows were Kai was winning more handily.

[RobberBaron13]

He needs big improvements not "a little more " and pronto.Time is not on his side unfortunately..

[Unbiasedfan]

Do you understand that its not like a set of legos? You don't just add another piece?

He's max out. His structure and genetics etc likely won't really allow him to grow his traps any further.

Don't you think hes aware of his weaknesses, or they have been pointed out to him? Everyone has weaknesses.

do you understand the point of the thread? i said what he needs, independently of if he is able to do it or not.

i understand now that you were responding to my last sentence. It was me mocking the idea idea that he shouldn't develop them because of the crab mm, it has nothing to do with kai, but with what was posted by others in this thread.

[Milone79]

His personal "relations" with the judges.....

[ROMMYromboid]

Unfortunately he needs to make all sorts of judging panel gains before he stands a chance.

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

, Kai's already passed Heath in terms of Physique and countless threads have proven this.

To make fast judging panel gains you need to be a POLYMORPH as well as a MESOMORPH. (POLY = Politics)

Team fair judging.

[flangmasterj]

ROMMY you jumped the shark a few years back my intellectually challenged pal.