Ms. International Dropped from 2014 Arnold Sports Festival

[bobolalovic]

The 2014 Arnold Sports Festival will add the IFBB 212 Men’s Bodybuilding division and will drop professional women’s bodybuilding. The Ms. International was one of the last remaining events that held women’s bodybuilding. Promoter Jim Lormier shared, “The Arnold Sports Festival was proud to support women’s bodybuilding through the Ms. International for the past quarter century.”


Arnold Classic 212 To Debut At 2014 Arnold Sports Festival
COLUMBUS, OHIO – The Arnold Sports Festival will add the 212-pound professional men’s bodybuilding division to its IFBB Pro League contests in 2014, event promoter Jim Lorimer announced today.

The men’s bodybuilding lightweight division has become one of the IFBB Pro League’s most popular since being introduced in 2008 as the 202-pound division. The allowed weight was increased to 212 pounds effective November 2011.

The first-annual Arnold Classic 212 will be held Feb. 28, 2014. Prejudging will be held from noon-2 p.m. at the Arnold Fitness EXPO Stage, with finals sets for 7 p.m. that night at Veterans Memorial.

The Arnold Classic 212 will replace the Ms. International women’s bodybuilding competition at the Arnold Sports Festival. The Ms. International was part of the Arnold Sports Festival for 25 years, with Iris Kyle winning her record seventh title in 2013.

“The Arnold Sports Festival was proud to support women’s bodybuilding through the Ms. International for the past quarter century,” Lorimer said. “But in keeping with demands of our fans, the time has come to introduce the Arnold Classic 212 beginning in 2014. We are excited to create a professional competitive platform for some of the IFBB Pro League’s most popular competitors.”

The 2014 Arnold Sports Festival will again feature five IFBB Pro League events: men’s bodybuilding, 212 men’s bodybuilding, women’s fitness, figure and bikini.

The 2014 Arnold Sports Festival – which will once again feature 18,000 athletes from more than 80 nations competing in 45 sports and events – will be held Feb. 27-March 2, 2014. Arnold Classic 212, Fitness International and Figure International competitions will be held on Friday, Feb. 28 at the Greater Columbus Convention Center and Veterans Memorial. The 26th Annual Arnold Classic and Bikini International will be held on Saturday, March 1 at Veterans Memorial. The Arnold Amateur Bodybuilding, Fitness, Figure, Bikini & Physique Championships will be held March Feb. 27-28 at Veterans Memorial and March 1 at the Greater Columbus Convention Center.

[RoroCwalker]

This already happened.

Although, I don't recall hearing about Ms.International being dropped from the AC.

What? Where would the women's bodybuilding be held then?

[bartosh]

Sorry stealth ;(

[AniMaLizTik]

wow. Its just a matter of time before womens bodybuilding is a thing of the past.

Stealth better start his own federation because the IFBB seems to be done with it.

[RockyTheKid]

That's unfortunate.

Say what you will about Women's Bodybuilding, but they should at least be able to compete.

[Land Shark]

The Olympia still has it and they had a lot of smaller shows this year

[CoffeeSwole]

That's unfortunate.

Say what you will about Women's Bodybuilding, but they should at least be able to compete.

Real Sports w/ Bryan Gumbel had an insightful piece about woman's bb. During the interviews it came across that most of these woman know woman's bb is on its way out the door, especially due to bikini and physique becoming so popular.
Worth a watch, probably only a 10~ minute segment.

[B-Neva]

This already happened.

Although, I don't recall hearing about Ms.International being dropped from the AC.

What? Where would the women's bodybuilding be held then?

webcam & hotel rooms

[SammyJr]

that's a kick in the big ol clit

Stealth better start his own federation because the IFBB seems to be done with it.

hosted in stealth's basement

[B-Neva]

that's a kick in the big ol clit

[AniMaLizTik]

hosted in stealth's basement

[DavisForman]

That's unfortunate.

Say what you will about Women's Bodybuilding, but they should at least be able to compete.

The IFBB is a business. Women's bodybuilding hasn't appealed to a large fan base for a long time now. If your product isn't selling, it's going to be dropped.

[stealth_swimmer]

Sorry stealth ;(

lol, right? Oh well, it is a business after all. You gotta sell tickets. I hope they bring Women's Physique to it in the future! It seemed really popular at the Olympia expo.

The IFBB is a business. Women's bodybuilding hasn't appealed to a large fan base for a long time now. If your product isn't selling, it's going to be dropped.

Exactly, but what's strange to me is that the Arnold Classic "bundles" a lot of events together, so of all the events that hold it, you'd think this would be one of the ones that would actually keep women's bodybuilding around.

[DavisForman]

Exactly, but what's strange to me is that the Arnold Classic "bundles" a lot of events together, so of all the events that hold it, you'd think this would be one of the ones that would actually keep women's bodybuilding around.

Almost all shows bundle divisions together... it would be too expensive to have them all at separate venues.

And yes, it would help to keep women's bodybuilding around, but why would they want that?

The IFBB has proven a thousand times over that they don't give a sh*t about anything but money. Not fair judging, not properly paying their athletes, and certainly not a failing a division.

[stealth_swimmer]

Almost all shows bundle divisions together... it would be too expensive to have them all at separate venues.

And yes, it would help to keep women's bodybuilding around, but why would they want that?

The IFBB has proven a thousand times over that they don't give a sh*t about anything but money. Not fair judging, not properly paying their athletes, and certainly not a failing a division.

If they didn't care about anything other than money, there'd be a lot fewer shows and athletes would probably be paid EVEN LESS, so your post doesn't really make much sense. As for "fair" judging - it's subjective. Imagine if the "mainstream" were allowed to judge the shows - the results would not only be different from what judges would pick, it would be REALLY different from what us hardcore fans would pic. You'd end up with Physique guys winning every show. Jeff Seid would probably be Mr. Olympia. Please try to think about what you're actually saying next time.

[AniMaLizTik]

If they didn't care about anything other than money, there'd be a lot fewer shows and athletes would probably be paid EVEN LESS, so your post doesn't really make much sense. As for "fair" judging - it's subjective. Imagine if the "mainstream" were allowed to judge the shows - the results would not only be different from what judges would pick, it would be REALLY different from what us hardcore fans would pic. You'd end up with Physique guys winning every show. Jeff Seid would probably be Mr. Olympia. Please try to think about what you're actually saying next time.

Look at the 2 guys on the far left. Who do you think has the better physique? Subjective? Maybe if you're blind or slightly retart. This is not the only example, but this is one of the most blatant NO valid argument can be made for jay beating Ramy.

[B-Neva]

If they didn't care about anything other than money, there'd be a lot fewer shows and athletes would probably be paid EVEN LESS, so your post doesn't really make much sense. As for "fair" judging - it's subjective. Imagine if the "mainstream" were allowed to judge the shows - the results would not only be different from what judges would pick, it would be REALLY different from what us hardcore fans would pic. You'd end up with Physique guys winning every show. Jeff Seid would probably be Mr. Olympia. Please try to think about what you're actually saying next time.

The IFBB doesn't pay to run all those shows. Promoters (aka someone who just decides they want to run a show) pays the IFBB/NPC to be able to run a show. So really the more shows = the better for them.

[DavisForman]

If they didn't care about anything other than money, there'd be a lot fewer shows and athletes would probably be paid EVEN LESS, so your post doesn't really make much sense.

It doesn't make sense to you because you have no sense.

They have to pay the pros SOMETHING or they would have no competitors. And what they pay them is sh*t.

As for "fair" judging - it's subjective.

It's either fair or it's not fair, there is no subjectivity involved. If the judges follow a consistent guideline and are not swayed by bribes, then it's fair.

Imagine if the "mainstream" were allowed to judge the shows - the results would not only be different from what judges would pick, it would be REALLY different from what us hardcore fans would pic. You'd end up with Physique guys winning every show. Jeff Seid would probably be Mr. Olympia. Please try to think about what you're actually saying next time.

Your ignorance baffles me... How can someone who follows this sport so closely and who spends his entire life on these forums be so clueless?

Of course the average fan would be a sh*tty judge, when the f*ck did I say otherwise? I'm not talking about the fans, I'm talking about the corrupt organization.

[stealth_swimmer]

The IFBB doesn't pay to run all those shows. Promoters (aka someone who just decides they want to run a show) pays the IFBB/NPC to be able to run a show. So really the more shows = the better for them.

Ah ok, didn't realize it worked that way.

It doesn't make sense to you because you have no sense.

They have to pay the pros SOMETHING or they would have no competitors. And what they pay them is sh*t.



It's either fair or it's not fair, there is no subjectivity involved. If the judges follow a consistent guideline and are not swayed by bribes, then it's fair.



Your ignorance baffles me... How can someone who follows this sport so closely and who spends his entire life on these forums be so clueless?

Of course the average fan would be a sh*tty judge, when the f*ck did I say otherwise? I'm not talking about the fans, I'm talking about the corrupt organization.

Economically speaking, people's pay in a competitive market is based on the amount of money they bring in for the company. Most bodybuilders have jobs OUTSIDE of bodybuilding...

Aside from not doing it for the money (unless you're one of the very top guys at the Olympia), fact of the matter is that ANYONE could open up their own bodybuilding league and decide to pay the bodybuilders more and bid all the competitors away from the IFBB. It's been tried, and they failed. The IFBB started as a way to bring bodybuilders their own league and to take competitors away from the AAU (it worked). Later on, Vince McMahon started his own bodybuilding league that shortly failed. Later on, Wayne Demilia started his own (the PDA, I think or something), which never got as big as the IFBB.



As for judging - it is subjective, and the fact that you deny it tells me that you don't understand the definition of the word "subjective"

Since the winner is supposed to be the "best" (a subjective term) combination of all the judging criteria, that entails subjective judging. There are multiple judges on the panel to reduce bias, but that just means you're getting the subjective opinions of multiple people taken together.

"If the judges follow a consistent guideline and are not swayed by bribes, then it's fair."

Then I think the judging is fair according to your very own definition.


"Of course the average fan would be a sh*tty judge, when the f*ck did I say otherwise? I'm not talking about the fans, I'm talking about the corrupt organization."

This literally doesn't make logical sense. WHO is supposed to provide the standard by which the judging is "fair" or not? Again, by your definition, the judging is probably fair. I seriously doubt people are paying off the judges, otherwise the winner would be rich BEFORE ever winning any shows and would simply buy the Mr. Olympia contest. Is it so hard to believe that DIFFERENT people have DIFFERENT opinions? At the end of the day, a judge judges based on their *opinion* of what is the best overall combination of the judging criteria represented by the competitors on stage that day.

[stealth_swimmer]

Look at the 2 guys on the far left. Who do you think has the better physique? Subjective? Maybe if you're blind or slightly retart. This is not the only example, but this is one of the most blatant NO valid argument can be made for jay beating Ramy.

Since Jay was more conditioned than Ramy, it depends on how much you favor conditioning vs. Ramy's superior size and symmetry. The number of people that agree never changes the subjective nature of an opinion. For example, even if the vast majority of people agreed that green tea tasted "better" than black tea, it would still be subjective.



For those who don't know the definition of "subjective" - i'm using it in the most commonly used way, as illustrated by the dictionary


"relating to the way a person experiences things in his or her own mind"

"characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subjective

[TropicalSunset]

Stealth, you are seriously so DELUSIONAL sometimes. Are you honestly defending Jay over Ramy at the last year's Olympia? The amount of times I have seen you eat up with a spoon the official placings is just ludicrous.

For someone who follows bodybuilding as closely as you do, it should be painfully clear who the superior bodybuilder is there. I think even Jay would admit it himself. Come on now brother.

[Larfleeze]

Jay was more conditioned than Ramy

Horse sh*t. Ramy beat him, if you deny that then you're either clueless or delusional (or in your case, both).

[DavisForman]

As for judging - it is subjective, and the fact that you deny it tells me that you don't understand the definition of the word "subjective"

Again, you prove you have no reading comprehension skills. I never said bodybuilding wasn't subjective. It is.

Fair judging is not.

"Of course the average fan would be a sh*tty judge, when the f*ck did I say otherwise? I'm not talking about the fans, I'm talking about the corrupt organization."

This literally doesn't make logical sense. WHO is supposed to provide the standard by which the judging is "fair" or not?

Omg... I am literally facepalming right now... my f*cking palm is on my f*cking face... it's like talking to a child.

You are completely missing the point... AGAIN!

It's not about the standard or who chooses it. It's that they stick to that standard, whatever it may be, to the best of their abilities EVERY SINGLE SHOW!

The standard could be wide hips and flabby arms for all I care, so long as they are consistent with what they reward and what they punish. But they're not.

Looking from show to show, you simply can't pick out any patterns or consistencies that last any respectable amount of time. You can't just choose one day to reward conditioning exclusively and size the next. That's not fair.

And it's not the standard that's unfair.

What's unfair is that they are changing the standard to suit their purposes.