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    Some of you guys are the biggest naive coksuking idiots out there.
    Have you ever seen nasser or ruhl before bb, they were nothing at all special .
    People like flex wheeler are genetic gods, not ****ing Evan centiponi, seriously do honestly think that you wouldn't look good spending thousands on drugs and training and eating all day ?
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    Originally Posted by michael_xyz View Post
    Considering this is the IFBB section I wouldn't have thought there were that many people that were so clueless and/or deluded.
    Considering this IS the IFBB section, I am totally amazed whenever a thread degenerates into this familiar argument...

    We all know what Pro Bodybuilding is about: if you don't like it, don't frequent forums such as this....

    So they all use..so what? It is all relative: you got Genetically gifted men, who use and who are diligent, and they go head to head against each other....

    People who never competed cannot begin to understand the intricacies of TIMING CONDITIONING: balancing water levels/carbs etc, as you approach the day....it is a tough learning curve that takes years upon years and has nothing to do with amounts of drugs or how big you are....

    there is a LOT to competitive Bodybuilding , AT ANY LEVEL, natural or otherwise, that is an art and a skill and as I said, takes a lifetime of learning....

    until they make a drug that makes you smarter and gives you total knowledge of the nuances of your own body's physiology, there will be something to admire about those "get it" and nail ideal timing for important shows.
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    Originally Posted by hugeaiden View Post
    People like flex wheeler are genetic gods, not ****ing Evan centiponi, seriously do honestly think that you wouldn't look good spending thousands on drugs and training and eating all day ?
    if you think Evan Centopani has "average" genetics you're in for a treat hahaha

    Dude won his pro card in like what? 3 competitions? and won several pro contests since then... how thick are you?
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    Plenty of lulz in this thread. Let's all hop on sups, drink twenty protein shakes a day, lift weights when we feel like it, and we'll ASL get much better looking bodies with ease!
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    Originally Posted by spamy View Post
    Well, people respond differently to food or training, just like they respond differently to drugs.

    I think the majority of the illusions in life are based on the fact that many really believe that everyone is equal and has the some opportunities in life, and if they don't have a great start they can overcome the obstacles with "hard work, dedication and other motivational bull****". That's why you'll see people spending enenrgy and money chasing neverending dreams when it comes to having the same money as the rich ones, the bodies of the models, the sex life of a Casanova, limitless happiness and so on.
    People have different genetics I'm not trying to argue against that, but the whole categorization of body composition purely on the ****types are ridiculous, refer to the quoted post 2 spots below.

    Originally Posted by Groggery View Post
    It does if you think about it. Overeat and you'd get fat, but your wrist size isn't going anywhere.
    A fat ecto would look different than a fat endo. Take a better look at the people around you to notice this.
    I've seen so called 'ectos', who have small arms, small waists and small hips have large wrist structures, I've also seen severely obese people diet down properly and have a 28 inch waist. YOU take a look around and you will realize that categorizing 7 billion different bodies into 3 distinct categories is beyond absurd, also read the post below.

    Originally Posted by tom11 View Post
    Finally a guy with knowledge here. ****totypes were invented by a psychologist to categorize people's character based on their bodytype. As a result you get those laughable stereotypes that fat people are jolly and happy, skinny people are overactive and anxious and muscular people are dumb and aggressive. ****totypes are broscience.
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    This is the first time I'm coming back to this thread and...



    Also there's an upcoming article on New Yorker by Malcolm Gladwell titled "MAN AND SUPERMAN: In athletic competitions, what qualifies as a sporting chance?" I haven't read it yet, but Malcolm is a smart man, so for those of you who are interested in learning about how genetic traits are linked to sports performance: http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critic...urrentPage=all
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    Originally Posted by tom11 View Post
    ****totypes were invented by a psychologist to categorize people's character based on their bodytype.
    And do you see anyone here discussing human character? People conveniently use the term to describe a familiar set of structural characteristics because they don't currently have a better term.

    Now quit bitching.
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    Originally Posted by Bjumbo View Post
    Evan is not on all year round. Stop making up stuff like that.
    He posts a lot on MD and he's been very open about during which time he's been on and off.
    He has even showed pictures of when he was completely off drugs.
    Are YOU Evan? If not you don't know more/less about what he does or when
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    Originally Posted by TTimmerman View Post
    if you think Evan Centopani has "average" genetics you're in for a treat hahaha

    Dude won his pro card in like what? 3 competitions? and won several pro contests since then... how thick are you?
    He havent realised there are BBs persuin this dream for their entire life, and never reaches it.
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    Originally Posted by TripleTrouble View Post
    Big transformation? Yes. Impressive? No not really considering he's on year round and has been since a teen I'm guessing. The body just naturally loses fat and gains muscle on supps.

    However as a natural going from endo to having a body composition of a meso IS impressive.

    Not the standard answer you were looking for OP lol so I apologize
    If there was any bodybuilder who actually didnt abuse, and had rest during the year, i guess it would be evan. Watch some of his interviews and you will see why. He is VERY clever, and very health conscience
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    I don't know why it's so hard for people to believe that there are some pro's who go off supplements.
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    Originally Posted by B-Neva View Post
    I don't know why it's so hard for people to believe that there are some pro's who go off supplements.

    This, have seen threads on other boards where evan posts and he has himself (assuming it actually was evan, no reason not to believe it wasnt him) said that he takes a couple months off of supps each year and is a proponent of coming off.
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    Originally Posted by B-Neva View Post
    I don't know why it's so hard for people to believe that there are some pro's who go off supplements.
    Because they've never done any drugs or know anyone that has. They just assume the hardcore BS people like to spew that all pros are on 4grams of supps a week and nobody ever comes off. Makes them feel better about themselves is my guess. If the only difference between pro's and other people is dosage, we'd have ALOT less guys competing at nationals for 6 years in a row.
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    Originally Posted by TripleTrouble View Post
    Big transformation? Yes. Impressive? No not really considering he's on year round and has been since a teen I'm guessing. The body just naturally loses fat and gains muscle on supps.

    However as a natural going from endo to having a body composition of a meso IS impressive.

    Not the standard answer you were looking for OP lol so I apologize
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    Originally Posted by B-Neva View Post
    I don't know why it's so hard for people to believe that there are some pro's who go off supplements.
    It's hard to believe because its not true. At the pro level, all of these guys blast and cruise. Going completely off isn't an option.
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    None of you guys actually know so there's no point arguing whether or not he does or doesnt.
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    Originally Posted by Deano87 View Post
    None of you guys actually know so there's no point arguing whether or not he does or doesnt.
    When they say "off" they mean only Testosteroni is being eating everyday.
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    Originally Posted by jaredlap View Post
    It's hard to believe because its not true. At the pro level, all of these guys blast and cruise. Going completely off isn't an option.
    How do you know it's not true? Are you Evan? do you live with him? Why isn't it an option?

    Do you guys honestly believe if someone goes off for a short period (12 weeks as an example) they are going to shrink to absolutely nothing?
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    Originally Posted by B-Neva View Post
    How do you know it's not true? Are you Evan? do you live with him? Why isn't it an option?

    Do you guys honestly believe if someone goes off for a short period (12 weeks as an example) they are going to shrink to absolutely nothing?
    The negative impact of coming off the level of supplements IFBB pros are on goes beyond simply shrinking and into the mental/physical rebound. That being said, I'm sure all of their protocols are different depending on health, personality, coaching etc...
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    Originally Posted by Deano87 View Post
    None of you guys actually know so there's no point arguing whether or not he does or doesnt.
    Plain and simple.
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    Originally Posted by B-Neva View Post
    I don't know why it's so hard for people to believe that there are some pro's who go off supplements.
    Some people are going to believe what they want to make themselves feel better.


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    Originally Posted by Gorky88 View Post
    How the hell do you know how dedicated he is how much he used etc. There are thousand of people who use more stuff than Evan and they can only compete at NPC and not even come close to an IFBB Pro card
    Ohhh the irony.
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    Originally Posted by armmania View Post
    Ohhh the irony.
    of what? people use more than Evan look better than him or less than him and can still look better than him. He doesn't know, neither do I. only Evan knows
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    Originally Posted by B-Neva View Post
    How do you know it's not true? Are you Evan? do you live with him? Why isn't it an option?

    Do you guys honestly believe if someone goes off for a short period (12 weeks as an example) they are going to shrink to absolutely nothing?
    Do you know how hard it is for your body to maintain supraphysiological amounts of muscle? Now, a pro has an muscle mass that is ridiculously higher than a natural maximum. Would he shrink to nothing? No. But he'd lose a ton of mass.

    Look at the old pictures when Arnold actually came off. He shrunk to a pretty normal looking guy.

    The real question is why is it so hard for you to believe that Pros lie? I mean we see it daily. They lie about what they use, how much, what they eat, how they train, how much they weigh, they even lie about their height. Yet you don't think they'd also lie about whether they come off? C'mon now.
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    Originally Posted by Lvisaa2 View Post
    Yet you don't think they'd also lie about whether they come off? C'mon now.
    He does know and so do all the others. But they'd rather maintain a positive happy-go-lucky attitude of "it's possible that it's not the case" that somehow makes them feel better.

    When you tell em to somber up they tell you to shush because it's breaking their lovely mental lullaby.
    People these days have more reps than brain cells
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    So yeah, about what this thread was originally about...Evan did make an awesome transformation. He was able to go from a fat kid to one of the best bodybuilders in the world.

    I like Evan. He's very articulate and has said that winning the Mr. O isn't the most important thing for him. Being better and better everytime he competes is what matters to him.

    Also, his dad has been battling Cancer and all that, so we KNOW Evan is going to take even better care of himself in order to prevent anything from happening to him in the future. He is NOT about to risk his health just so he can bring his chest up or whatever else people feel he needs in order to contend for the Mr. O title.

    And he's a great family man and he feels it'd be selfish of him to view his fiancé and daughter as obstacles. He's not one of these guys who has the "Flex Wheeler Mindset" of "I need to rent a room at the hotel so I can get ready" or the "Kevin Levrone Mindset" of "I'm going to sleep on the floor with my gun, 'cause I'm a soldier and this is my battle".

    Go Evan!
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    Originally Posted by Gorky88 View Post
    of what? people use more than Evan look better than him or less than him and can still look better than him. He doesn't know, neither do I. only Evan knows
    Just like how you know exactly what NPC users are using and how they are using more than Evan. Get it? Should I clarify further?

    By saying Evan is using less than so and so you are claiming to know what Evan is using.
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    Originally Posted by BigDaddyCoolPR View Post
    Also, his dad has been battling Cancer and all that, so we KNOW Evan is going to take even better care of himself in order to prevent anything from happening to him in the future. He is NOT about to risk his health just so he can bring his chest up or whatever else people feel he needs in order to contend for the Mr. O title.
    Supplementation actually causes further growth of cancerous cells. So if cancer is in his family then I'm not sure how this even makes sense. I'm sorry, people need to stop acting like bodybuilding isn't what it is. Healthy and pro bodybuilding don't go together. PERIOD. I'm not saying it as a negative, I'm saying it as a reality. I respect the hell out of the guys and the sacrifices they make, but can we not be naive about this. As the envelope gets pushed further and further, we are seeing more pros die early. More pros with health problems. That is for a reason and it isn't just because they aren't taking the proper precautions.
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    bodybuild never come off,,, N E V E R,,,if evan centofani come off he will go back to fatzo kid that he was,,,,those his genetics fellaz,,,if u need any proof look at murderer Titus,,,,


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    Originally Posted by Lvisaa2 View Post
    Supplementation actually causes further growth of cancerous cells. So if cancer is in his family then I'm not sure how this even makes sense. I'm sorry, people need to stop acting like bodybuilding isn't what it is. Healthy and pro bodybuilding don't go together. PERIOD. I'm not saying it as a negative, I'm saying it as a reality. I respect the hell out of the guys and the sacrifices they make, but can we not be naive about this. As the envelope gets pushed further and further, we are seeing more pros die early. More pros with health problems. That is for a reason and it isn't just because they aren't taking the proper precautions.
    Well put!
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