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[Farley1324]

anyone hear about the 85 year old man who benched 257?

Vid



Anybody watch the super heavies weightlift today? I watched most of the Clean & Jerk as it was televised here. Guys are mother fuking beast.

[pezking7p]

I feel the evidence supports the idea that if everyone had a gun and knew how to use it, less violent crimes would happen. There's a few neat books out there, I think there's one called more guns, less crime that overviews it pretty well. I'm sure farls has it.

I wish I could see some weightlifting on tv.

[im2manly]

Vid



Anybody watch the super heavies weightlift today? I watched most of the Clean & Jerk as it was televised here. Guys are mother fuking beast.

I cleaned 225 easy today . My back is still being weird on DLs though.

[PowderMonkey]

Well, first of all, the first thing that comes to MY mind if somebody breaks into my house is not to run away. I have things of value in my home. There are other people (wife for now, will be kids soon) in my house. There are pets in my house. I don't intend to just leave them at the mercy of the violent criminal that just broke into my home.

Also, on a practical level, it is far fetched to think that if we're in the bedroom and somebody breaks in we are going to be able to just walk right by the home invaders in order to go out a door.

The fire extinguishers are not primarily intended to make getting out easier, although that is certainly a potential use. They are primarily intended to stop a fire before it gets out of control and forces total evacuation.





The problem is that you took the typical liberal counter-attack position of implying that people only own or carry guns out of some irrational fear that the world is out to get them. Reasonable, logical, stable people make all kinds of decisions every single day...including very large life altering decisions...based on self preservation or some variation therof. To take the "why are you so afraid of the world?" angle is a combination of a red herring and a veiled ad-hominem. I see firearm ownership as reasonable, logical action taken to mitigate some of the dangers life presents.




That is just one example of what often comes hand in hand with such restrictive gun control. At the higher levels of government gun control is not about guns, it's about control. It's about a nanny state where the government controls all kinds of aspects of your personal lives. This is why our most liberal cities with the most restrictive gun laws also happen to have the most laws about video game/movie ratings, trans fat limitations, and all kinds of other stupid ass controls over people's personal lives.

I'm not liberal. I'm not democratic. I'm not political. The closest I've come is organizing the changes in classification, which is not so much about anyone controlling anyone else as it is about most members of parliament being old fogies who haven't even seen the video games in question.


I'm not trying to invalidate an argument or make you look silly or change the conversation or throw in a straw man or distract anything by setting up any red herring. I don't understand owning a gun and fear is the only emotion I could associate with wanting to which is why I asked the question.

You said it's not fear. Fine. You're an adult, I believe you. If fear isn't the reason, then please just. tell. me. what is.

[Farley1324]

I feel the evidence supports the idea that if everyone had a gun and knew how to use it, less violent crimes would happen. There's a few neat books out there, I think there's one called more guns, less crime that overviews it pretty well. I'm sure farls has it.

I wish I could see some weightlifting on tv.

An armed society is a polite society, as the saying goes.

I cleaned 225 easy today . My back is still being weird on DLs though.

weak sauce.

I've done that before. Multiple times. Step it up.

I'm not liberal. I'm not democratic. I'm not political. The closest I've come is organizing the changes in classification, which is not so much about anyone controlling anyone else as it is about most members of parliament being old fogies who haven't even seen the video games in question.


I'm not trying to invalidate an argument or make you look silly or change the conversation or throw in a straw man or distract anything by setting up any red herring. I don't understand owning a gun and fear is the only emotion I could associate with wanting to which is why I asked the question.

You said it's not fear. Fine. You're an adult, I believe you. If fear isn't the reason, then please just. tell. me. what is.

What should my wife do to adequately defend herself from unlawful, violent, criminal attack?

PS: I just told you what the reason is. I will quote it and point it out to you once we get past the above question.

[im2manly]

An armed society is a polite society, as the saying goes.


weak sauce.

I've done that before. Multiple times. Step it up.


What should my wife do to adequately defend herself from unlawful, violent, criminal attack?

PS: I just told you what the reason is. I will quote it and point it out to you once we get past the above question.

it was only a warm up for my deadlift.

[PowderMonkey]

What should my wife do to adequately defend herself from unlawful, violent, criminal attack?

I want to understand why gun ownership is so important to you because you are someone who I see as being highly intelligent and I hold you in great respect. I want to understand because we are so at odds on this and I want to know your point of view.


I do have things to do today and have already put them off by about an hour discussing this with you for these reasons.
I don't have the time right now to jump through the hoops that you need me to before you will answer a straight question.

I'm going offline for several hours, but this does not mean I'm no longer interested in this.

[pezking7p]

I want to understand why gun ownership is so important to you because you are someone who I see as being highly intelligent and I hold you in great respect. I want to understand because we are so at odds on this and I want to know your point of view.


I do have things to do today and have already put them off by about an hour discussing this with you for these reasons.
I don't have the time right now to jump through the hoops that you need me to before you will answer a straight question.

I'm going offline for several hours, but this does not mean I'm no longer interested in this.

This discussion is silly, neither of you will ever see eye to eye.

This thread is now about cake. Personally, my favorite is plain vanilla cheesecake. This one is a suitcase full of money.

[Farley1324]

I want to understand why gun ownership is so important to you because you are someone who I see as being highly intelligent and I hold you in great respect. I want to understand because we are so at odds on this and I want to know your point of view.


I do have things to do today and have already put them off by about an hour discussing this with you for these reasons.
I don't have the time right now to jump through the hoops that you need me to before you will answer a straight question.

I'm going offline for several hours, but this does not mean I'm no longer interested in this.

I'll keep an eye out for an answer to my question.

In the meantime I will wonder why you cannot see the obvious direct correlation between my concern over my wife's ability to protect herself and the inability of you (or anybody else yet in this thread) to offer up an effective defensive measure for her other than a firearm.

[im2manly]

This discussion is silly, neither of you will ever see eye to eye.

This thread is now about cake. Personally, my favorite is plain vanilla cheesecake. This one is a suitcase full of money.

I don't like cake. SRS.

[Farley1324]

I like a good chocolate cake with vanilla ice cream. Preferably the cake is warm. Cracker Barrel has a coca-cola cake that is fugging good.

[Farley1324]

Last non-response-post on this topic for the time being...but ROFL!

A classic, this is.

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/new...nd_in_doorway/

[im2manly]

Aly Raisman ♥

[im2manly]

Farley you should get your wife this



http://www.swissminigun.ch/home.html

[Farley1324]

It would be a cool key chain accessory.

[im2manly]

It would be a cool key chain accessory.

it blew my mind that it actually fires real ammunition.

[Jrahe42]

Vid



Anybody watch the super heavies weightlift today? I watched most of the Clean & Jerk as it was televised here. Guys are mother fuking beast.

set a world record, so i am sure the vid is out there. just heard about it on the radio tho

[Blizzard589]

I'll keep an eye out for an answer to my question.

In the meantime I will wonder why you cannot see the obvious direct correlation between my concern over my wife's ability to protect herself and the inability of you (or anybody else yet in this thread) to offer up an effective defensive measure for her other than a firearm.

I don't think your wife needs to protect herself. Whether or not she has a gun, she will be fine as long as she goes by your avoidance rules. Like I said before, I've never needed to defend myself (after lame middle school fights) and I've been all around the country and to foreign countries several times. I will be purchasing a gun in the next couple of months though because they're fun to shoot and there's nothing wrong with unnecessary protection.

Like I said before, I don't agree with the government trying to stop capable people from carrying guns. I just think the world would be better if guns never came into existence. This is all just my opinion. Take it, leave it, take some of the advice. Either way it doesn't affect me in the slightest (lolz)

I don't like cake. SRS.

strong bodyweight to post non-correlation

Aly Raisman ♥

Yes.

[Farley1324]

I don't think your wife needs to protect herself. Whether or not she has a gun, she will be fine as long as she goes by your avoidance rules.

Probably. But no guarantee. It is foolish to believe that you can guarantee a person will never need to defend themselves.

"Sometimes it's not the odds, but the stakes"

How many times have you heard the people on TV/radio after an event say something like "that kind of thing doesn't happen here".

Like I said before, I've never needed to defend myself (after lame middle school fights) and I've been all around the country and to foreign countries several times. I will be purchasing a gun in the next couple of months though because they're fun to shoot and there's nothing wrong with unnecessary protection.

Like I said before, I don't agree with the government trying to stop capable people from carrying guns. I just think the world would be better if guns never came into existence. This is all just my opinion. Take it, leave it, take some of the advice. Either way it doesn't affect me in the slightest (lolz)

Since that is obviously outside the realm of possibility I'm not concerned with.

[Blizzard589]

Probably. But no guarantee. It is foolish to believe that you can guarantee a person will never need to defend themselves.

"Sometimes it's not the odds, but the stakes"

How many times have you heard the people on TV/radio after an event say something like "that kind of thing doesn't happen here".

It's foolish to guarantee anything at all.

"sometimes you just have to not be a worry wort william"

Never heard that.

Since that is obviously outside the realm of possibility I'm not concerned with.

You should sit back, relax, have a drink. Dream a little. Imagine.

[Farley1324]

You should sit back, relax, have a drink. Dream a little. Imagine.

Imagine that I have magic powers and can un-invent things?

Your gym might not have a Smith machine tomorrow.

[Blizzard589]

Imagine that I have magic powers and can un-invent things?

Your gym might not have a Smith machine tomorrow.

NOOO! Then more people would occupy my precious squat and power racks!

[Blizzard589]

I'm curious to see what PM comes up with...lol


Another tool for your wife to wield, Farley:

[mab23]

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[mab23]

Farley you should get your wife this



http://www.swissminigun.ch/home.html

that thing looks awesome

This discussion is silly, neither of you will ever see eye to eye.

This thread is now about cake. Personally, my favorite is plain vanilla cheesecake. This one is a suitcase full of money.

I want that cake

I love it when concealed carriers save the day


and watching the gymnastics portion of the olympics

[matt297]

I'd like to really focus on the silliness here.

My pregnant wife is attacked by two aggressive, violent, fit teenage males.

Tell me...under your restrictions against weapons/arms...what is her best method of defense?

I used to work with somebody who thought this way. Worse, actually. We got into it on ******** one day, finally. (I won't get into controversial stuff AT work) (I have added him as a friend, but his FB was open to the public)

I outlined a scenario where a woman's ex-husband, whom she divorced for beating and sexually assaulting her numerous times, and whom she has a restraining/protective order against, comes to her house and breaks in, telling her that he is going to rape and kill her. She shoots and stops him. Co-worker says that is absolutely wrong because violence, and especially lethal force, are absolutely never justified.

*******s like this are everywhere, especially in the UK...and among liberals and hippies here in the US.

The problem is that they take their own personal beliefs (which usually fall short if they are actually attacked seriously, they then look for something to use as a weapon to defend themselves) and they try to shove those beliefs down the throats of others, through force of law, thus restricting or preventing the most basic and fundamental right there is. The right to self defense and defense of ones family.

Sorry bros lost internet connection temporarily. This is what I tried to post a little while ago.



Lol you came in late. +not a mod so no care

I'm saying guns shouldn't have existed in the first place. So yes, magically disappear. Fist fighting a ******* with a gun is not a gentlemanly fisticuffs lol so doesn't meet my criteria for proper dispute resolution.



We take risks every day. If she wants to take the risk of leaving your side and if you want to take the risk of letting her, then her life is in her own hands. That's understood. Life is not a guarantee.

If the guy got his face knocked in during an ambush, he probably wouldn't have had a chance to draw a weapon before his vision is all blood and he's crying on the ground. Obviously the ambushers are *******s but he should've been more aware of his surroundings. Guns won't solve anything. If the ambushers had guns and so did he, he would still have lost (and would also be dead).

This is bullsh!t.

Forcibly denying others the ability to adequately defend themselves is bullsh!t.

When my wife's life is in her own hands, there is a chance that a Glock will also be in her own hands.





And if he saw them coming a couple of seconds ahead of time, he can prevent the whole thing from even happening.




You are incorrect, and actual real world examples of people defending themselves with guns, from ambushes, from multiple attackers, and from multiple attackers with guns are out there.

You're a good man I recon but you're still focusing on personal and not national or global issues. You have such a negative nancy outlook which I can understand by watching the news every now and again but I've walked, biked, and/or driven all over New York and Florida, driven up and down the eastern seaboard, driven across the country to the grand canyon... Never gotten in a conflict that was not resolved with words.

I was going to reply to each post this morning but I can't be bothered because (a) its futile arguing with someone who holds such a strong identity with guns and (b) there is too much to reply too.

So i'll just say this;

Farley you are disillusioned in thinking that having a gun increases your safety. A bit like how assuming the 'brace' position in an aeroplane will somehow save your life in a crash. Under certain circumstances it will yet mostly it will not. You can produce all the videos you want showing a 'victim' fending off an attacker with a gun. But i'm equally as sure that we could find (on youtube or not) more evidence of a person with a gun falling victim to a perpetrator . You talked about your wife yet rape figures in the US are higher than the UK where guns aren't so readily available.

you keep talking about being attacked and what not but plenty other countries do as well without guns and the murder rates are a lot lower. you dont need a gun to defend yourself and if there were no guns in the first place then you wouldn't need a gun so much. Look, we can all think of situations where a gun could be useful or life saving but it doesn't justify the widescale need for them. It only increases the likelihood of incidents in the first place and increases the collective paranoia that leads to ideals such as yours.

Bad things will always happen with or without guns. Where you could give examples of when a gun could be useful I could give examples of when it is dangerous. Here is one study that concludes "that the people in the study who were carrying a gun at any given time interval were more than four times as likely to be shot."

And here's something I came across that justifies what I just said about people being more paranoid (which is why you are more staunch in your views): carrying a gun makes you paranoid

[Farley1324]

I was going to reply to each post this morning but I can't be bothered because (a) its futile arguing with someone who holds such a strong identity with guns and (b) there is too much to reply too.

Translation: You don't have any good responses. It's okay, I am used to this happening.

If you can ever come up with responses to my questions and points, let me know, as I'd be happy to actually have a discussion.

[Farley1324]

PS: That study you linked is fuking retarded.

"Researchers randomly chose 677 of those victims for the study. They came from various occupations -- taxi drivers, bartenders, nurses and drug dealers. Fifty-three percent had criminal records."


I mean, seriously bro...you are quoting a study, claiming that carrying a gun makes you more likely to get shot...and one of the occupations they studied was drug dealers. NEWS FLASH: Drug dealers didn't get shot because they chose to carry a gun, they got shot because they are criminal drug dealers.

Don't be a dumbass. Learn how to think critically and stop blinding following or believing whatever bullsh!t somebody puts in front of you.

[-Lucifer]

Strong discussion, my Shacklings. I'm just irate that I wasn't around when it actually took place. I was supposed to be up at 04:00, but I went back to sleep and woke up at 11:20 instead.

The answer isn't less guns, you *******s, it's more guns. You think the bad guys will play by the rules? No. You'll just be taking the guns away from the good guys. I really hope you chaps remain safe for the rest of your lives, but should something sinister happen, I bet you or the victim(s) would wish they had a gun.

I used to be against guns, but now I'm for them. There's simply no way to win unless you're full prepared and expect the worst. I can't tell if some of you are trolling Farls.

/Srs Lu

@Steph
I'm pretty sure you'd fight back with everything you've got, but saying you could take more than one assailant with a bat and pepper spray is silly. If the assailant was like Mab23, then yes, you could kick his ass with ease. I don't doubt that.

[matt297]

I'll keep an eye out for an answer to my question.

In the meantime I will wonder why you cannot see the obvious direct correlation between my concern over my wife's ability to protect herself and the inability of you (or anybody else yet in this thread) to offer up an effective defensive measure for her other than a firearm.

i don't think anyone would argue that if your wife had a gun pointed at a couple of people who were going to attack her then she would have the advantage. But since we're role playing here we could introduce any number of scenarios.

Your scenario: Guys go to attack wife. Wife pulls gun saves the day and is home in time to cook dinner.

Alternative scenario: Guys co to attack wife. They do so from behind or surprise her. She doesn't have time to get her gun. assailants still attack wife and find her gun. End result - wife still attacked.

Alternative scenario: Guys go to attack wife. Wife sees attack coming. Draws weapon. Attackers also see her going for weapon so draw their weapon. Shots fired. Wife gets shot and attacks flee the scene. Maybe they wouldn't have she didn't pull a weapon.

Alternative scenario: Guys attack wife. Wife attempts to get gun. Shoots herself.

Alternative scenario: Guys go to attack wife. She has no gun. She runs away and lives to fight another day.

Alternative scenario: guys go to atack wife. She has no gun. They have gun and steal her purse. She lives to fight another day but a little shaken.

and so on and so on.

There are a infinite number of possibilities that could happen and you are resting your laurels on the one that sees the gun saving the day. My arguement is that with or without a gun she is still at risk no matter the circumstances and having a gun, unless the circumstances are ideal, will not lead to her being any safer.