|
-
07-03-2012, 09:41 AM #31
-
07-03-2012, 10:19 AM #32
- Join Date: Jul 2010
- Location: Minnesota, United States
- Posts: 8,602
- Rep Power: 22179
Not really encouraging him, just putting in my .02.
The ROM will be slightly less based on where the bar sits in your palm. You can look at your hand right now taking an imaginary full grip and seeing where the bar would sit, and taking a false grip and seeing where it would sit. It's very slight, but it's definitely a difference.
As far as activating the triceps, it just makes you tuck your elbows a little more.
-
-
07-03-2012, 10:35 AM #33
-
07-03-2012, 11:40 AM #34
-
07-03-2012, 12:45 PM #35
-
07-03-2012, 12:51 PM #36**TRAINING LOG**
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=166622031&p=1344442521&posted=1#post1344442521
Gym lifts/Meet lifts:
Squat: 515/530 (sleeve only)
Bench: 455/450
Deadlift: 640/622.75
1443@197 5/17/14 Beast of the Bluegrass
1521.4@196.6 9/13/14 SPF Own the Day
450 @193.5 11/8/14 Kentucky Muscle Bench Only
1545@198 4/18 Battle of the Bluegrass (sleeve only)
1581@198 8/23 USPA Bourbon Barrel Bash (sleeve only)
Youtube: Daniel Amon
Instagram: THEdannyamon
-
-
07-03-2012, 12:53 PM #37
-
07-03-2012, 12:59 PM #38
-
07-03-2012, 01:03 PM #39
Couldn't tell you. I would imagine it's a low number close to 0, just like deaths that can be attributed to the false grip. On the other hand, you, based on absolutely nothing at all save for anecdotal reports from random internet people, have decided that people regularly die from it.
Take into account all the injuries from benching ALONE and it'll top all weightlifting injuries put together.
Then going by your statistics, crossing the road is safe too, right? Millions of people each and every day do it, and yet several people each day get killed doing just that. Hey, let's go ahead and call that "safe" too!
When it comes to injury and death, there's no punchline...**TRAINING LOG**
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=166622031&p=1344442521&posted=1#post1344442521
Gym lifts/Meet lifts:
Squat: 515/530 (sleeve only)
Bench: 455/450
Deadlift: 640/622.75
1443@197 5/17/14 Beast of the Bluegrass
1521.4@196.6 9/13/14 SPF Own the Day
450 @193.5 11/8/14 Kentucky Muscle Bench Only
1545@198 4/18 Battle of the Bluegrass (sleeve only)
1581@198 8/23 USPA Bourbon Barrel Bash (sleeve only)
Youtube: Daniel Amon
Instagram: THEdannyamon
-
07-03-2012, 01:29 PM #40
-
-
07-03-2012, 09:23 PM #41
I've switched to false grip because of shoulder problems. I now bench close grip, false grip even in competition because I can't train any other way. It helps me tuck and get a different angle on bar, so palms areNt parallel with bar but more like 30* (palms closer to facing each other than standard grip). That rotation isn't possible with thumb around the bar?
Oh, and I still squeeze the bar...Best Comp Lifts
452/354/540
Best Total 1329@181 raw
Gym pr
460/365/545 raw
-
07-03-2012, 09:49 PM #42
-
07-04-2012, 10:22 PM #43
At least someone gets it...
Ah ha, yeah that's what I'm talking about! Somebody here who finally gets it. Oh and I was referring to regular strength training, but it'll happen in weightlifting comps as well. A spotter can't stop a 600 pound bar from crushing your throat, but he can try to take it off of you with some help and then call 9-1-1.
If you bench with a false grip, sooner or later, you'll have an accident. It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when". It'll happen. If it hasn't happened to you yet, then you're just bucking the odds. Why take that chance? Oh well, some people will never learn...WARNING: This post may contain material offensive to those who lack wit, humor, common sense and/or supporting factual or anecdotal evidence. All statements and assertions contained herein may be subject to literary devices not limited to: irony, metaphor, allusion and dripping sarcasm.
-
07-04-2012, 11:02 PM #44
Yeah, actually a spotter can stop a 600 lb bar. I should know; I've done it. One of my teammates dumped 600+ in competition, to his face. If you're spotting properly, you'll catch the bar before you even know the guy dumped. Which is exactly what I did. Side spotters exist for a reason.
And just for the record: he was using a conventional grip.
Look, I realize you've got an axe to grind here. What you need to realize is that you're arguing with a brick wall. Nobody who uses a thumbless grip is going to be convinced to stop by your arguments, and most of us have a damn good reason for using one. You need to accept the fact that we disagree with you, and move on.
-
-
07-05-2012, 03:25 AM #45
there is a supertraining vid somewhere on youtube when mike T trained there with mark bell. Mike T uses a grip setup that blows most peoples minds. There are always multiple ways to do it, all have risks so just grip it however you want..
Not all of the lions that chase the zebra catch it. But all that caught it, chased it.
-
07-05-2012, 04:14 AM #46
To me there is a diffirence between a serious lifter using false grip, who knows what he is doing vs some retard who doesnt and jerks the bar out of the rack and doesnt grip is properly and lets the bar roll around in his hand trying to bench 200% his max. Like what was said above, some guys use false grip cuz they are forced to, or cuz they bench more. A serious powerlifter with experience and a high bench has a higher chance or tearing a muscle than or failing and dumping a BP than he has of the bar rolling out of his hand imo.
Athletics > Aesthetics
I guess its time to start training again.
- No longer in a long term relationship crew because sloots gun sloot.
- Finishing a degree at age 30 crew
-
07-05-2012, 09:32 AM #47
I admit defeat
Really? How so?
What you need to realize is that you're arguing with a brick wall.
Nobody who uses a thumbless grip is going to be convinced to stop by your arguments, and most of us have a damn good reason for using one.
You need to accept the fact that we disagree with you, and move on.
Oh well, some people will never learn...WARNING: This post may contain material offensive to those who lack wit, humor, common sense and/or supporting factual or anecdotal evidence. All statements and assertions contained herein may be subject to literary devices not limited to: irony, metaphor, allusion and dripping sarcasm.
-
07-05-2012, 09:35 AM #48
-
-
07-05-2012, 09:40 AM #49
- Join Date: Mar 2007
- Location: Nebraska, United States
- Age: 49
- Posts: 17,062
- Rep Power: 39393
My Training Journal: http://tinyurl.com/jasons-journal
My Video Training Journal: www.youtube.com/user/jason24590
08/17:245,185,275 02/18:345,275,380
06/18:405;315,455
goal: hit previous SBD #s again 524,364,562
current meet PRs: ---/---/--- ---
What NorthStrong's sig. says
-
07-05-2012, 04:33 PM #50
I have used a false grip for about 12 years now. the thing i like about it is that it keeps your wrist in the same spot and it cant really move. when i use a full grip i get play in my wrists. never had an incident with anything. ive done over 400 with a false. I dont use a shirt. i think that maybe if you are in a shirt it may twist your shoulders over so you cant really do a false. but i have really liked it and feel i can square up and get to it.
-
07-05-2012, 04:39 PM #51
-
07-06-2012, 10:03 AM #52
- Join Date: Aug 2006
- Location: Surrey, United Kingdom (Great Britain)
- Posts: 483
- Rep Power: 343
This is very similar to my grip. I lay the bar across the base of the thumb diagonally. It puts much less pressure on the wrist, but you have to ignore people who say to squeeze the bar hard. You can only squeeze with your first and maybe second fingers; the other fingers are too far away to do anything other than just apply finger tip pressure. It doesn't affect elbow tuck for me, because I can still rotate my elbows towards my feet whilst maintaining this grip.
No longer powerlifting. Lifting history:
Competition PR - 210kg/167.5kg/235kg (612.5kg total)
All-time gym PR - 222.5kg/182.5kg/250kg
Recent gym 1RM - 210kg/175kg/250kg
(All lifts are raw - wrist/knee wraps and belt)
Bookmarks