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    12 sets of squat....have you already ordered a wheelchair?


    interdasting that you can do smolov jr for any compound, I thougth it was Somolov for Squats and Smolov jr for bench....
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    For sure try the homemade glaze out. If you have some room for butter throw in a piece or two melted and mix with the glaze. It is delicious addition to make. I do it all of the time on sweets.


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    interdasting that you can do smolov jr for any compound, I thougth it was Somolov for Squats and Smolov jr for bench....
    When they were written that was what they were used for, but nothing is set in stone for something to work. Smolov Jr would be a great idea for squats, especiall if somebody wanted to run the original smolov routine at a later date, it would very much prepare one for it. I plan to run something similar to this as well, and a small bench cycle with and arm work for weak point training.
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    Originally Posted by Frankdaddy View Post
    When they were written that was what they were used for, but nothing is set in stone for something to work. Smolov Jr would be a great idea for squats, especiall if somebody wanted to run the original smolov routine at a later date, it would very much prepare one for it. I plan to run something similar to this as well, and a small bench cycle with and arm work for weak point training.
    Interdasting...probably running smolov jr for squats soon
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    I dont think smolov jr and deadlifts would work out too well together..
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    Originally Posted by Shazriki View Post
    Good night sweet posterior chain.
    It's already screamin!

    Originally Posted by vitornoob View Post
    12 sets of squat....have you already ordered a wheelchair?


    interdasting that you can do smolov jr for any compound, I thougth it was Somolov for Squats and Smolov jr for bench....
    I have a wheelchair in the garage. srs.

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    For sure try the homemade glaze out. If you have some room for butter throw in a piece or two melted and mix with the glaze. It is delicious addition to make. I do it all of the time on sweets.




    When they were written that was what they were used for, but nothing is set in stone for something to work. Smolov Jr would be a great idea for squats, especiall if somebody wanted to run the original smolov routine at a later date, it would very much prepare one for it. I plan to run something similar to this as well, and a small bench cycle with and arm work for weak point training.
    Going to try that glaze out soon!

    Yeah I think JR will definitely pepper my angus for a real smolov cycle. It's pretty gnarly, in a good way

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    Interdasting...probably running smolov jr for squats soon
    Give it a shot!

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    I dont think smolov jr and deadlifts would work out too well together..
    Agreed. Injury waiting to happen lol.
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    Holy squatting sir! Between you and Moses I feel tired for you
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    Originally Posted by hamiltronj View Post
    Holy squatting sir! Between you and Moses I feel tired for you
    Thanks, man. Believe me, I am dead tired right now. Hoping I don't fall asleep writing my update lol.
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    10-29-12 Smolov Jr. Squat - Week 2

    morning weight : 179.0

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    135x6
    205x6
    210x6
    210x6
    210x6
    210x6
    210x6

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    1x12

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    So I upped the weight by 10lbs on the first set and 15 on the other 5 sets. I probably could have gotten away with a bit more, but I will try to preserve some strength for the rest of the week. Weight jumped up quite a bit, but I'm just assuming it's water/sodium related due to my food choices yesterday. Macros are going to hold strong until next week. I'll update with some food and whatnot tomorrow. I'm way too tired today.
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    very interested to see how this squat program works out for you...also had some random questions I wanted to ask you. How many shows have you done? and how old were u (and how long had u been training) for your first show?
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    Originally Posted by MITCHAPAL00ZA View Post
    very interested to see how this squat program works out for you...also had some random questions I wanted to ask you. How many shows have you done? and how old were u (and how long had u been training) for your first show?
    Hopefully my squat will go from pitiful to ok

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    Billy! How can you say "Holding steady with the macros" and then not tell us what they are! You never talk about your macros

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    Originally Posted by jpfaherty View Post
    Billy! How can you say "Holding steady with the macros" and then not tell us what they are! You never talk about your macros

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    Macs are chillin' at : 90/500/215-225. I trade off some fat for carbs depending on what I want that day
    WORD. I do the same thing from time to time, I like your style. I'm right behind ya, 75/450/190! By right behind ya I mean 400cals behind lol
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    WORD. I do the same thing from time to time, I like your style. I'm right behind ya, 75/450/190! By right behind ya I mean 400cals behind lol
    You're pretty close, dude. Keep walking em up and you'll be there in no time!
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    Brb my weight is doing retarded things at 200/400/70, just keeping my fingers crossed and hoping its noob gains
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    Originally Posted by Shazriki View Post
    Brb my weight is doing retarded things at 200/400/70, just keeping my fingers crossed and hoping its noob gains
    Totally newb gains

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    10-31-12 Smolov Jr. Squat - Week 2

    squats
    45x5
    135x5
    185x2
    220x5
    220x5
    220x5
    220x5
    225x5 - hip flexors finally loosened up lol
    225x5
    225x5

    bench
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    135x10
    155x12
    165x12
    165x12

    misc.
    Wow, my hip flexors took a while to stop aching lol. Despite all the stretching and foam rolling I have been doing, this program is still hell on my glutes/flexors. 225 felt like butta though so that's a plus!

    Lots of peeps have been bugging me about nudes, so I suppose I'll snap a few upon waking tomorrow. I warn you though, it isn't pretty! I'm 29lbs over stage weight and 25 over my depleted low. I'm one pasty mofo too! lol.

    Here's the eats!

    choco pb proats w cadbury mini eggs and reeses eggs - left over from easter still lol


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    MMM food looks great. Maybe it will help you get a look at what improvements you made and what you need to work on the rest of the season. I doubt being 25+ over stage weight with your weight management over a long period of time looks very bad.

    Smolov always killed my hip flexors. If you want a tip from my personal experience. I would run the program with all squat days apart from another including day 3-4. I would so Friday, Sunday, and rotate to Tuesday instead of Monday for a day rest inbetween all sessions. I think whoever wrote this ONLY put frid/sat together because they did not want to explain workout rotation, as if it had to be done within a 7 day period. I do not think it benefits anything, but I very much believe it can be a bad idea, and thats from my personal injury doing exactly that!
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    MMM food looks great. Maybe it will help you get a look at what improvements you made and what you need to work on the rest of the season. I doubt being 25+ over stage weight with your weight management over a long period of time looks very bad.

    Smolov always killed my hip flexors. If you want a tip from my personal experience. I would run the program with all squat days apart from another including day 3-4. I would so Friday, Sunday, and rotate to Tuesday instead of Monday for a day rest inbetween all sessions. I think whoever wrote this ONLY put frid/sat together because they did not want to explain workout rotation, as if it had to be done within a 7 day period. I do not think it benefits anything, but I very much believe it can be a bad idea, and thats from my personal injury doing exactly that!
    Hmm, interesting. Since I'm already halfway done with week 2, I'll probably leave it as is for this cycle. I'll give that a go next time I run it. Thanks for the suggestion!
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    Smolov always killed my hip flexors. If you want a tip from my personal experience. I would run the program with all squat days apart from another including day 3-4. I would so Friday, Sunday, and rotate to Tuesday instead of Monday for a day rest inbetween all sessions. I think whoever wrote this ONLY put frid/sat together because they did not want to explain workout rotation, as if it had to be done within a 7 day period. I do not think it benefits anything, but I very much believe it can be a bad idea, and thats from my personal injury doing exactly that!
    That's good advice, I think I'll do this too next time I run one of these types of programs.


    And Billy don't stress the weight man, you've been in offseason for almost a year now? 29lb is not bad at all for that time frame, considering you've spent most of it in surplus.

    Also I was only half joking about the noob gains, I'm holding this weight way better on the way up, but its still weird to be going up relatively quickly
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    That's good advice, I think I'll do this too next time I run one of these types of programs.


    And Billy don't stress the weight man, you've been in offseason for almost a year now? 29lb is not bad at all for that time frame, considering you've spent most of it in surplus.

    Also I was only half joking about the noob gains, I'm holding this weight way better on the way up, but its still weird to be going up relatively quickly
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    I'm just trying to work out how you still have some hamstring splits from the back. All my equations point to aliens.
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    MMM food looks great. Maybe it will help you get a look at what improvements you made and what you need to work on the rest of the season. I doubt being 25+ over stage weight with your weight management over a long period of time looks very bad.

    Smolov always killed my hip flexors. If you want a tip from my personal experience. I would run the program with all squat days apart from another including day 3-4. I would so Friday, Sunday, and rotate to Tuesday instead of Monday for a day rest inbetween all sessions. I think whoever wrote this ONLY put frid/sat together because they did not want to explain workout rotation, as if it had to be done within a 7 day period. I do not think it benefits anything, but I very much believe it can be a bad idea, and thats from my personal injury doing exactly that!
    Since we're on the subject of smolov, I'm curious to hear your (as well as everyone else) take on a question I've been running through my head recently. I've run smolov jr for bench three times in the past year (each when I was dealing with a leg injury) and saw +20 pound increases both times I tried it with barbell bench. However, both times I followed the exact same path: 3 weeks of smolov jr where I could feel myself getting stronger, maxing out to a +20 the following week, then slowly losing all of the strength and reverting back essentially to where I began, give or take 5 pounds. This time I ran a deload after hitting my +20 but still feel like **** on the bench a month+ post-deload. In your experience, what is the best way to run this program to actually "own" the gains from it and not just peak with them?

    Sorry for the hijack Billy, but I figure this question applies to squats as well and thus will be relevant to you.
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    Originally Posted by Shazriki View Post
    I'm just trying to work out how you still have some hamstring splits from the back. All my equations point to aliens.
    Lol. Legs have stayed fairly lean since prep. Low back likes to hold most of my junk

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    Since we're on the subject of smolov, I'm curious to hear your (as well as everyone else) take on a question I've been running through my head recently. I've run smolov jr for bench three times in the past year (each when I was dealing with a leg injury) and saw +20 pound increases both times I tried it with barbell bench. However, both times I followed the exact same path: 3 weeks of smolov jr where I could feel myself getting stronger, maxing out to a +20 the following week, then slowly losing all of the strength and reverting back essentially to where I began, give or take 5 pounds. This time I ran a deload after hitting my +20 but still feel like **** on the bench a month+ post-deload. In your experience, what is the best way to run this program to actually "own" the gains from it and not just peak with them?

    Sorry for the hijack Billy, but I figure this question applies to squats as well and thus will be relevant to you.
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    It probably was because of the routine that you end up going with post smolov Jr. First of all I want to explain That the body "super compensates" or peaks in laymen term. Routines such as smolov mimics this, is why many who attempts the routine will get a huge PR after running and why it would not work to run it over and over back to back. The body can only peak properly a few times per year. Also you have to remember when you peak you are at your best at that point, which is supercompensation. You will never be your strongest 100% of the time because trying to stay at peak levels (guy who maxes each week on bench and talks about his rotator cuff probs) is a fine way to injure yourself and not progress.



    Now the Reason you are losing 90+% is probably from lowering volume and frequency to under half post smolov or you are trying to keep intensity high thinking it will keep you at peak levels by constsantly pushing max weight at max rep ranges with no program structure. Try keeping a week or two of high intensity repping heavyweights for fun but get back on a high volume routine similar to sheiko or similar in volume and frequency and keep training hard in similar fashion.
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    It probably was because of the routine you Mendes up going with post smolov Jr. The body "super compensates" or peaks in laymen term. Routines such as smolov mimics this, is why everybody gets a huge number after running and why it would not work to run it over and over back to back. The body can only peak really goods a few time a year. Also you have to remember when you peak you are at your best at that point, supercompensation. You will never be your strongest 100%of the time bbecause trying to stay at peak levels (guy who makes each week on bench and talks about his rotator probs) is a fine way to injure yourself.



    Now the Reason you are losing 90+% is probably from lowering volume and frequency to under half post smolov or you are trying to keep intensity high thinking it will keep you at peak levels. Try keeping a week or two of high intensity repping heavyweights for fun bit get back on a high volume routine similar to sheiko or similar in volume and frequency and keep training.
    So smart! You basically summed up my thoughts on routines like smolov jr for bench. Sure, you will be really strong afterwards, but is it sustainable? I think a more sensible solution such as increasing a movement's frequency over a long period of time is going to induce better overall results.
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    Now the Reason you are losing 90+% is probably from lowering volume and frequency to under half post smolov or you are trying to keep intensity high thinking it will keep you at peak levels by constsantly pushing max weight at max rep ranges with no program structure. Try keeping a week or two of high intensity repping heavyweights for fun but get back on a high volume routine similar to sheiko or similar in volume and frequency and keep training hard in similar fashion.
    So essentially what you are suggesting is that he lost strength because he was training too close to his limit all the time following running smolov jr. (assuming he tried to keep intensity/volume too high for too much of the time)?

    If that's the case, then are you also suggesting that the gains you get from smolov jr. are legitimate and that they actually stick, it's just that you expect to be able to hit your 1rm on a daily basis (extreme case)?
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