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    It depends on your running experience.
    Jumping right into 20+ miles per week can lead to injury.
    Take it slow, throw in a couple of rest days at first, and listen to your body.
    There area lot of safe ways to build up your mileage. If you have a solid running base, then yes, 20+ miles is no problem.
    I just don't think it's ok to give someone the green light to run everyday without knowing their history.
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    1- get your diet squared away or you wont see the results you want from running.

    2- run every other day

    3- weight train the other days.
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    Originally Posted by numinix View Post
    if he were to go beyond his glycogen stores he would be unable to move. your body doesn't run out of glycogen and there isn't much evidence of it switching to fat burning. Muscle catabolism is more likely to occur.

    Anyways, running is good, just make sure you are eating enough to support your workouts + cardio. Since your going to be doing so many activities, you'll have to eat more to remain at -500. It's up to you.
    I don't know how this myth started, but I really hate that it gets thrown around as fact. It scared me away from endurance exercise for a long time. Now, that I'm in medical school, I know better.

    In Lippencott's Biochemistry textbook, it explains how after you expend your glycogen stores, your body breaks down triglycerides into fatty-acids which your body uses as energy. So, yes, your body does in fact burn fat after it depletes glycogen stores. It would be very dumb for your body to break down protein for energy for two reasons.

    1. Protein is much less energy dense than fat, so you'd need to break down much more protein in order to produce the same amount of energy as a smaller amount of fat.

    2. While exercising, you are simulating hunting, fleeing, fighting, etc. It would be counterintuitive for your body to break down the muscles you are using to survive for the sake of stored fat. Look at marathon runners' legs if you don't believe me.
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    Originally Posted by DylanMD View Post
    I don't know how this myth started, but I really hate that it gets thrown around as fact. It scared me away from endurance exercise for a long time. Now, that I'm in medical school, I know better.

    In Lippencott's Biochemistry textbook, it explains how after you expend your glycogen stores, your body breaks down triglycerides into fatty-acids which your body uses as energy. So, yes, your body does in fact burn fat after it depletes glycogen stores. It would be very dumb for your body to break down protein for energy for two reasons.

    1. Protein is much less energy dense than fat, so you'd need to break down much more protein in order to produce the same amount of energy as a smaller amount of fat.

    2. While exercising, you are simulating hunting, fleeing, fighting, etc. It would be counterintuitive for your body to break down the muscles you are using to survive for the sake of stored fat. Look at marathon runners' legs if you don't believe me.
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    Whats going on lately ive seen more bumps from years ago this last few days thsn ever before.

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    Any Advice

    Im 29 yrs. Old & 1 month ago I hit the scale at 271 lbs.... Now I month later & 23lbs lighter I am 248 lbs I'm eating great, Fish, chicken, Salads,egg-whites etc...I go to the gym 5-6 days a week doing cardio & weights, & I'm averaging 3-4 miles a day. Here's my QUESTION? Why has my dramatic weight loss taken a slow motion effect? When my workouts have only intensified????
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    If ur running 3 miles u should do it three times a week, period
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    Originally Posted by numinix View Post
    if he were to go beyond his glycogen stores he would be unable to move. your body doesn't run out of glycogen and there isn't much evidence of it switching to fat burning. Muscle catabolism is more likely to occur.
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    Originally Posted by GuamBizzle View Post
    Here's my QUESTION? Why has my dramatic weight loss taken a slow motion effect? When my workouts have only intensified????
    Because of the 23 lbs., 15 of that was water. You lose water weight easily at the very beginning.
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    Originally Posted by PennState View Post
    yes running is good. Very good infact. You have to remember that a lot of these guys on the boards are straight up into bodybuilding. They could care less about cardio. To them its just about losing the fat and thats it. But if you are really trying to live a healthy lifestlye like you said, then running regularly is great.

    As for the 3 miles everyday. I wouldn't necessarily do it like that. I'd only run 5 days a week. And instead of mileage how about going by time? Start by running 25 minutes. Then bump it to 28 minutes. When you can pretty easily do that bump it up to 31 minutes. Or something like that. I find that going by time gets me better gains and it doesn't really matter where i run. Since you don't need to count mileage you can run where ever you want. You just need a timex to count the time. Also trail running can be awesome. Make sure you have good ankle support though if they are bumpy trails. just keep switching it up. Running is great fun as long as you change it up and don't have to stare at the same thing everytime.

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    Not so fast..

    Originally Posted by DylanMD View Post
    I don't know how this myth started, but I really hate that it gets thrown around as fact. It scared me away from endurance exercise for a long time. Now, that I'm in medical school, I know better.

    In Lippencott's Biochemistry textbook, it explains how after you expend your glycogen stores, your body breaks down triglycerides into fatty-acids which your body uses as energy. So, yes, your body does in fact burn fat after it depletes glycogen stores. It would be very dumb for your body to break down protein for energy for two reasons.

    1. Protein is much less energy dense than fat, so you'd need to break down much more protein in order to produce the same amount of energy as a smaller amount of fat.

    2. While exercising, you are simulating hunting, fleeing, fighting, etc. It would be counterintuitive for your body to break down the muscles you are using to survive for the sake of stored fat. Look at marathon runners' legs if you don't believe me.
    I want to believe this..But how do you explain why sprinters are way more cut and have better bodies then long distance runners? I would love to hear anyone's opinion on this.
    ...read the thread at least 3 times before asking questions.. :)
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    Originally Posted by PrinceTTU View Post
    I am trying to lose as much fat as possible while maintaining a healthy diet and lifestyle.

    I have gained as much muscle as I really want, I just need to lose all this nasty fat, lol. My plan was to have a great diet and do cardio every single day. My plan is to run 3 miles per day, every day. Is this bad?
    ye man its perfectly fine
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    do it but becareful if you weight alot it could be bad for your knees and ankles

    i got shin splints from running everyday
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    Originally Posted by RippedG View Post
    I want to believe this..But how do you explain why sprinters are way more cut and have better bodies then long distance runners? I would love to hear anyone's opinion on this.
    Two extreme examples. Sprinters are designed for short area burst. They really are more akin to power athletes and tend to have larger muscles to generate more starting power. Football players train in much the same way. Long distance runners run extreme distances (compared to what human's were designed for). Extra mass is a hindrance as it increases the energy needed for traveling the same distance (muscle burns more calories and you need to move more weight per unit of distance). For the extreme levels of running they do, they need to consume more carbs as they need more glycogen to do their given task.

    To equate cardio to endurance runners is as silly as all of the multitudes of women who never lift because they are afraid they are going to turn into a female Arnold after a few weeks.
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    Originally Posted by senor_mortgage View Post
    Two extreme examples. Sprinters are designed for short area burst. They really are more akin to power athletes and tend to have larger muscles to generate more starting power. Football players train in much the same way. Long distance runners run extreme distances (compared to what human's were designed for). Extra mass is a hindrance as it increases the energy needed for traveling the same distance (muscle burns more calories and you need to move more weight per unit of distance). For the extreme levels of running they do, they need to consume more carbs as they need more glycogen to do their given task.

    To equate cardio to endurance runners is as silly as all of the multitudes of women who never lift because they are afraid they are going to turn into a female Arnold after a few weeks.
    Thanks for the info..However, I still dont understand why a long distance runner rarely has a six pack. To me it seems it fits the model that too much running burns some muscle.
    ...read the thread at least 3 times before asking questions.. :)
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    Originally Posted by RippedG View Post
    Thanks for the info..However, I still dont understand why a long distance runner rarely has a six pack. To me it seems it fits the model that too much running burns some muscle.
    A six pack requires a very low percentage of body fat AND a decent amount of muscle mass. A good marathoner needs slightly higher body fat stores and very little muscle mass. About 20 miles into a run, an untrained body will have used up most of its glycogen stores resulting in cramps and physically being unable to go any further. A well-trained marathoner has conditioned his body to be better at drawing from fat reserves over those long distances and extending the ability to physically perform over great distances. A little extra fat is beneficial....a little... Excess muscle has no purpose whatsoever.

    Bottom line, a six pack won't help you run longer distances. Sprinters need explosive power...more muscle mass, less fat, more six pack abs..

    Lastly...yes too much running will burn muscle.... but we're talking toooooo much... For me that turns out to be runs over 20 miles...3 hours in length...over 55 miles per week...that's when my body starts to break down.

    3 miles per day? LOL... That's a nice warm up prior to weight training. For 99% of the people, muscle loss due to running is complete nonsense.
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    Originally Posted by RippedG View Post
    I want to believe this..But how do you explain why sprinters are way more cut and have better bodies then long distance runners? I would love to hear anyone's opinion on this.
    1. Certain body types are better at certain sports. Height for rowing, Light for acrobatics, muscles for weight lifting.

    2. You want to be light if your are carrying that weight for 24miles.

    Personally, I look at tri-athletes as physical perfection. And they arent all about sprints. Its endurance and cross fitness there. That's my goal.
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    Ideal workout

    Originally Posted by vein5 View Post
    I am in your shoes, I lift 3 days aweek and run 4-6 miles everyday. I am always afraid of overtraining. But since I started supplementing with 10-15 grams glutamine before a run and aminos at every meal my recovery has been awsome. The hardest is on and after my leg days.
    This is great to hear. Last year I had a 4-5 day lifting routine, but couldn't run to save my life. This year I'm finally up to 5-6 miles 3 times a week but have left my lifting routine. Next I'll put the two together. A 3 day lifting routine sounds perfect. Are you doing push, pull, and legs, or something else. Do you mind sharing?

    I've really come to enjoy running and want to mix in gym days the right way. I'll be 54 next year and very careful about even small injuries. They just totally kill any momentum and gains.
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    I started interval training on my treadmill 3 days a week, 1 minute walk, 1 minute run for 20 minutes, I also did basic dumbbell's/abs 3 days a week and had Sundays off, I also did a juice fast and lost over 3 stone in 4 months. During this time I was limiting the amount of weight I lost as I've always been fat and wanted to give my skin the chance to shrink slowly to avoid hanging loose skin.
    Every month I do a Cooper Test, set the treadmill to count-down mode and do as far as I can in 12 minutes, this has improved month on month.
    My lifting has changed, I now have a bench etc at home and do quite a bit on that and then hit the treadmill. My arms, shoulders and back are changing, my abs will be too but they are still hidden under a duvet of fat. Running is working wonders on my legs, they are bulking up quite nicely.
    At the minute I don't take any supplements other than Omega 3, 6 and 9 oil.
    I nearly always run in the evening, I've run in the day a few times in the last week as I'm on holiday from work and when I have to work away from home I always ensure the hotel has a gym.
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    your better off power walking, pretty much the same benefits , easier to recover from and much reduced chance of injury and wear and tear on the body....just takes a bit longer
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    Running is the best way to burn fat and or mass
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    Running is the best way to burn fat and or mass
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