Well, Id like to add creatine mono into my regimine....MINUS the 6-20 pounds that it may potentially bring me. What would be the next best option?
CEE- Reading that theres possible health risks
Glycocyamine- Reading that theres even more possible health risks.
Id like something to help with muscle recovery between reps. Ive read through countless threads on here and really havnt come up with anything solid. Any other options im missing....take my chances on CEE.....?
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11-29-2006, 12:18 AM #1
11-29-2006, 12:30 AM #2
hmmm... not sure what your asking here
First you say you want to stay away from creatine, then you start talking about taking CEE. Do you want just stay away from creatine mono bc your afraid of "bloating" or do you just want to stay away from all forms of creatine?
Anyway I don't know why you wouldn't want to take creatine but the only two things I could think that you might want to give a shot are:
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11-29-2006, 02:11 AM #3
Water has also been found to pose health risks....
Anyways.... there's nothing but creatine and minimal amounts of ethanol within CEE.
Once ingested, the creatine and ethanol is dissociated.
The creatine saturates the skeletal muscles and tissue, and is availible as an ATP substrate, and the remainning ethanol, is converted to CO2 and excreted.
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11-29-2006, 08:36 AM #5
Sorry I wasnt clear enough.
Im not ruling out creatine totally, hence the reason I mentioned CEE.....im just not liking the water gain ill most likely put on with creatine mono. Ive read the the CEE actually has a high risk of being toxic.
I guess this is where im coming from: Id love something to help my muscles recover faster like creatine but the possible issues with CEE that I have read scare me. di creatine malate......now what in the world is that?!
11-29-2006, 09:41 AM #6
First off, let me say that I'm not saying that CEE and glyco are bad, but I've personally decided not to use any products that contain them anymore. I just happened to make a small list yesterday of creatine formulas I would like to try that don't contain either. They are:
AST Micronized Creatine (Just plain mono)
Dorian Yates Approved Pro-GF
Ultimate Nutrition F-16
Controlled Labs Green Magnitude
There are others, those are just the ones I would like to try. I would also like to point out that I'm not saying companies that use CEE and Glyco are bad. Hope this helps.
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I have an idea.
To the OP, mono doesn't cause bloating in everyone, and unless you are already at a very low bf%, I doubt you notice it much at all. If you have adequate water intake, that will also help reduce any bloating. Not to mention that it is temporary.
If you do decide against mono completely, there are tons of products out there that contain creatine.
Here's 3 off the top of my head that are blends with different things in them:
Read about some of your different options and pick one.*SCC*
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11-29-2006, 11:07 AM #11
Thanks guys...thanks alot.
To be truthful....the big reason behind not wanting the bloating is because right now my main goal is fat loss and im afraid the extra water bloating will mentally bring me down. I like seeing the gains im making, id hate to see things start to go the other way(and yes I realize its only temp water gain, but still).
Hopefully ya can understand where im coming from with this. Maybe ill try some mono and see how it goes! Ill def look into the other choices you listed...they seem pretty popular!
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11-29-2006, 11:16 AM #13
To the OP:
IMO, bloating from creatine monohydrate means you ingested more creatine than your muscles can absorb. I've tested creatine monohydrate on myself (postworkout, added to Gatorade and Xtend) and here are my conclusions:
10g - I get bloated, all the time.
5g - Sometimes I get bloated, most of the time I don't.
2.5g - Never bloated.
Oh, a good read on hydration -- http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=332329
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I've never gotten bloated from mono, nor have I seen anyone get bloated from it. It draws water INTO the muscle cell not between the muscle and skin
My favorite creatine supplement is Animal Pump
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11-30-2006, 01:21 AM #19
A primer on Citrulline and a primer on creatine (I don't like the loading phase suggested).
Keep in mind, citrulline supplementation tends to be more expensive than creatine (especially when supplementing with 5+ grams of citrulline). Creatine is a very cheap substance to buy. If buying creatine, I do recommend creatine monohydrate highly, as just the bulk powder. However, you have stated that you don't particularly care to deal with the bloat.
I'm going to pose the question though: why are you worried about the extra water weight? Additionally, I don't think you're going to add 20 lbs of water, but your lower range was reasonable for it (depending on size). Adding some water into the muscles isn't a bad thing; in fact, it does add a bit of hydration to the body, when you think about it.I remember being relevant.
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11-30-2006, 06:37 AM #21
I agree. I don't think the bloating is an issue, and using citrulline at even suggested dosages is much more expensive than using creatine at suggested doses. I think most bottles of bulk suggest 6g daily, split into 2 doses. And PA talked before about thinking somewhere around 12g would be optimal. So at that dosage, creatine is definitely the more cost effective supplement.
Right now, I'm personally really interested in beta-alanine. BA and creatine sounds very promising. I actually have about half a container of bulk citrulline, so I might experiment with that some more in the future, too.*SCC*
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