Dhea

[Ryan_9]

Ok before anyone starts flaming or telling me not to take DHEA don't bother. I've got a bottle of 120 pills at 50mg. Is there any need to cycle with these or should I just take it daily like any other supplement?

Thanks in advance

[Guard_Pass_old]

What does the bottle say?

[Ryan_9]

The bottle says take one daily but i've heard that over time your body can get used to the pills thefore making them less effective. That's why im wondering if it would be more effective to cycle them. Also DHEA is close to steriods and is banned here in canada, so would there be a need to cycle them like they were steriods?

[Guard_Pass_old]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/dhea.html

I can't tell you if you should cycle that or not man. Since it is hormonal I would say yes but that is just a guess 100%. Some one else needs to chime in who is more knowledgeable.

[row machine]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/dhea.html

I can't tell you if you should cycle that or not man. Since it is hormonal I would say yes but that is just a guess 100%. Some one else needs to chime in who is more knowledgeable.

I'm no expert on this particular subject yet, but I would like to put forth an observation should this thread become a topic of interest for some of the more scientifically-informed members.

Cholesterol is the source of all steroid hormones, and it is found in food. I realize that maybe high cholesterol diets have been frowned upon for some time, and I also know that enzymes cyclize lipids in our bodies to produce cholesterol.

However, still (eating cholesterol) adds substrates to the reaction chain ultimately ending in testosterone, estradiol, DHT, corticosterone, etc. So... why would DHEA be any worse than scrambled eggs?

[Ryan_9]

Theres obviously something in it that makes it worse then eggs if they banned it in Canada.

[Guard_Pass_old]

lol

[row machine]

Theres obviously something in it that makes it worse then eggs if they banned it in Canada.

But do you guys see what I'm pointing out?

Here, I don't have time to go looking for a table, but essentially (forgive me if some substrates are incorrect. also, i've included no enzymes):

cholesterol-17-oh progestin - dhea - androstenedione - testosterone

There are many more branches in the pathway. My point though is to illustrate what I tried to say with words.

[crzyakta]

DHEA is a hormonal precursor to androstenedione and then testosterone (or estrone)...when taken orally, it causes a negative feedback on endogenous DHEA, therefore the recommendation to increase dosage...in turn causing more negative feedback...

[Ryan_9]

crzyakta, thanks for that? I need to know about cycling it not negative feedback.

[crzyakta]

well i was just responding to the portion where u wrote:

"The bottle says take one daily but i've heard that over time your body can get used to the pills thefore making them less effective."

negative feedback can be dangerous (unless you plan on being on DHEA for a long time, and dont mind the sides after a ceasing a long cycle)

from what I have read DHEA causes little to no negative feedback at lower dosages, like 40mg and below/day

but if you are taking 200mg+/day...be prepared for some level of negative feedback

cycling wise, I would just stay on it but at a lower dosage...you may not need it, or get almost no benefit cept for oily skin and hairloss if your body is already producing optimal amounts

[Ryan_9]

Im taking 50mg a day right now and will keep it at that amount. There is 120 pills per bottle, which would me this would last me 4 months. Im just worried what side effects may occur from taking these for 4 months straight, which is why I brought up the idea of cycling them. Any help is appreciated.

[Lager1]

That amount of DHEA won't hurt you at all. It won't increase androgen levels whatsoever. It may do some other positive things, like increase your energy, but it won't hurt you at all. I wouldn't go above 50 mg a day, though. DHEA is a good supplement, take it from me. I have had some great workouts and great gains from DHEA. Don't use it for TOO long.

[Ryan_9]

Don't use it for TOO long.

What would you consider too long?

[bobmirko]

This is an interesting thread!

Do you think DHEA can help loosing fat AND at the same time gaining muscle in 50mg dosage per day???

Also, do you think it can be bad to take this supp at 26 year old in minimal dosage. Like 50-100mg per day???

[Ryan_9]

Thats what alot of companies that are making this are saying, but I don't think you would lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. I guess only time will tell. IMO 100mg daily is too much, if your going to take it stay 50mg or under.

[nni]

unless you are well into your 30's dhea will most likely conver t to estrogen in your body, which is not desireable. stay away.

[bobmirko]

I will stay away. thanks for advice.

I asked this because there a lot of thread about teen DHEA but nothing around 25-35.

I did some search and I dont think its a good sepplement before 40.

[mesomorphix]

dhea is an indigineuos chemical found in the body... it has been studied for awhile now and many consider it a god send, in studies with rodents and monkeys it has shown to reduce the ageing process (making them live markably longer than usual) - quicken metabolism (which is why it burns fat), but what is great for bodybuilders is that it also builds lean muscle tissue - the only problem i personally see with dhea is that it can convert to oestrogen, but saying that it has a much higher rate of conversion to testosterone ... also the dose you stated is not very high for dhea it works best with an intake of between 100mg and 200mg per day, i would cycle it personally (8wks on 4-5 off) also if you take my recommeded dose range at the high end 150 - 200mg you could well fail a steroid test so be careful if entering competitions.

just my 2 pence
- stay pumped
meso (oh yeah, dhea production in the body naturally starts to decline at the age of 20)

[NO HYPE]

"but what is great for bodybuilders is that it also builds lean muscle tissue -"

Where did you find that information?

[NO HYPE]

"also the dose you stated is not very high for dhea it works best with an intake of between 100mg and 200mg per day, i would cycle it personally (8wks on 4-5 off)"

Again.... where do you get your information from?

[Ryan_9]

There is no way im taking that amount daily. No Hype is right, where are you getting this info from? 200mg sounds like way to much, that means I would be popping 4 pills everyday.

[crzyakta]

DHEA cannot convert into estrogen...but it may have high conversion to androstenedione (very high)

[bobmirko]

There a lot of opinion here...

Does someone between 22-28 years old took these product??? If yes, how long, dosage and results please.

[Lager1]

DHEA cannot convert into estrogen...but it may have high conversion to androstenedione (very high)

It converts into Estrogen, Androstenedione, and Testosterone in the body if enough is used. If something like 50mg is used, it won't make a significant difference in hormone levels, but may have other positive effects. 200mg per day for weeks will do something, but you shouldn't do it unless you are well into your 30's or 40's.

[Ryan_9]

So if your taking low amounts there is no need to cycle? What if I choose to cycle it anyways, will any negative effects come from this?

[kamino68]

Ryan 9 if you are under the age of 30 I would not take it. It is best to consult your doctor. I have used DHEA at 50mg and that was good enough for me but then I am 39 Y/O. Elderly males 60 and over usually take 100mg +.

Good luck

[Skull Crusher Chris]

Ryan 9 if you are under the age of 30 I would not take it. It is best to consult your doctor. I have used DHEA at 50mg and that was good enough for me but then I am 39 Y/O. Elderly males 60 and over usually take 100mg +.

Good luck

Nice 1 year bump

[dpihitithard]

unless you are well into your 30's dhea will most likely conver t to estrogen in your body, which is not desireable. stay away.

exactly, unless your older, dhea can mess you up, read up on it, i found some interesting disturbing stuff...i would stay far away

[dpihitithard]

Nice 1 year bump

lmao!! i didnt even realize also haha