What is the Best Art to ad to my overall MMA training

**MainFrameSolja** · 10-01-2006, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Chett

oh yeah, a krav maga fighter who has recieved a one week crash course will always beat a trained muay thai fighter Amirite? a master of the fabled krav maga fighting style will always beat a master of such a foolish fighting style of muay thai, like mirko filipovic, or ramon dekkers right?

Would a Muay Thai fighter who took a one week crach course beat a Krav Maga fighter?

Krav Maga classes are not a one week crash course, many are just like any other art, the practices are done over time, a few times a week.

Cro Cop is trained in Kick Boxing, not Thai Boxing.
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/f...FighterID=2326 = Says Kickboxing
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/f...?FighterID=209 = Says Muay Thai

**Chett** · 10-01-2006, 06:27 PM

you think cro cop isnt trained in muay thai? he has a plethora of trainers that train him in muay thai, boxing, and all forms of grappling, idiot.

and once again krav maga isnt taught with intense sparring sessions, and is for people to feel confident in fighting situations. muay thai is a time tested fighting style.

and yes, i think a krav maga fighter with a one week crash course would get destroyed by a muay thai fighter, just the fact that muay thai fighters SPAR is enough to say that they would win. krav maga fighters would absolutely not know how to implement those techniques against an unwilling, trained opponent.

**Chett** · 10-01-2006, 06:29 PM

here is cro cops profile on the site of the organization he fights for

http://www.pridefc.com/pride2005/ind...ighters&fID=65

Style: Muay Thai

**MainFrameSolja** · 10-01-2006, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Chett

you think cro cop isnt trained in muay thai? he has a plethora of trainers that train him in muay thai, boxing, and all forms of grappling, idiot.

and once again krav maga isnt taught with intense sparring sessions, and is for people to feel confident in fighting situations. muay thai is a time tested fighting style.

and yes, i think a krav maga fighter with a one week crash course would get destroyed by a muay thai fighter, just the fact that muay thai fighters SPAR is enough to say that they would win. krav maga fighters would absolutely not know how to implement those techniques against an unwilling, trained opponent.

Your a ****ing idiot, a trained fighter in anything will beat a fighter who has trained in any art for only a week. No one ****ing does a crash course in a week, stop making stupid ass **** up to try and sound intelligent.

Cro Cop is trained in Kickboxing as his main style, not Muay Thai as you tried to make it seem.

Krav Maga isn't taught in intense sessions? They have strobe lights and loud ass msuic playing during most sessions ontop of them performing the moves. And they do hit heavy bags, etc... with strikes.

**Chett** · 10-01-2006, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by MainFrameSolja

Your a ****ing idiot, a trained fighter in anything will beat a fighter who has trained in any art for only a week. No one ****ing does a crash course in a week, stop making stupid ass **** up to try and sound intelligent.

Cro Cop is trained in Kickboxing as his main style, not Muay Thai as you tried to make it seem.

Krav Maga isn't taught in intense sessions? They have strobe lights and loud ass msuic playing during most sessions ontop of them performing the moves. And they do hit heavy bags, etc... with strikes.

once again on his profile for the organization he fights for it plainly says " he boasts an impressive thai boxing backround" and that his style his muay thai. cro cop is my favorite fighter, you obviously know nothing about him if you think what your saying is correct.

oh they have strobe lights? what is a krav maga session, a ****ing slipknot concert? great way to be distracted while your training.. and once again, they dont spar.. hitting a heavy bag is NOT sparring.

and i said that if a muay thai fighter was trained for one week, and if a krav maga fighter was trained for one week, the muay thai fighter would easily win. this is a stupid argument, your comparing a style which isnt even taught with sparring, and implementing those techniques with live training, to one that does. krav maga is a quick, catch-all type style, for people that dont want to put the time and dedication in to a true fighting art.

**MainFrameSolja** · 10-01-2006, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Chett

once again on his profile for the organization he fights for it plainly says " he boasts an impressive thai boxing backround" and that his style his muay thai. cro cop is my favorite fighter, you obviously know nothing about him if you think what your saying is correct.

oh they have strobe lights? what is a krav maga session, a ****ing slipknot concert? great way to be distracted while your training.. and once again, they dont spar.. hitting a heavy bag is NOT sparring.

and i said that if a muay thai fighter was trained for one week, and if a krav maga fighter was trained for one week, the muay thai fighter would easily win. this is a stupid argument, your comparing a style which isnt even taught with sparring, and implementing those techniques with live training, to one that does. krav maga is a quick, catch-all type style, for people that dont want to put the time and dedication in to a true fighting art.

You're an idiot, im done with you.

**Chett** · 10-01-2006, 06:38 PM

why, because you have no evidence to back up your claims but your own opinion?

**MainFrameSolja** · 10-01-2006, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Chett

why, because you have no evidence to back up your claims but your own opinion?

No, because there is no getting through to you, you do not understand anything outside of your own little shell. So I am done, and this is my last post in this thread while replying to anything you have said.

**Chett** · 10-01-2006, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by MainFrameSolja

No, because there is no getting through to you, you do not understand anything outside of your own little shell. So I am done, and this is my last post in this thread while replying to anything you have said.

however you have been wrong in everything you have said. lol, you even tried to tell me cro cop wasnt trained in muay thai.

your the one that needs to understand things outside of your shell, ive given evidence against all of your points, and all you can essentially say is " krav maga is better i dont care what you say" so please, get a clue about fighting. your 15 years old, your fat as ****, and you have no idea what you are talking about whatsoever.

**brahmabull1** · 10-01-2006, 07:11 PM

Now that the Krav Maga argument is over.. anybody have some personal experience in Kyokushin karate? Would you be able to describe it and give me some more of your personal opinion?

Thanks for all the help folks.

** What do you think of Tae Kwon Do... One of my coaches runs a pure Tae Kwon Do school, and he has been pushing me to get into it...not sure if Im interested in just working kicks....Opinions?

**Chett** · 10-01-2006, 07:14 PM

IMO tae kwan do is just for show, and not as useful for fighting then some other things, thats my opinion.. ive heard of some professional fighters being trained in kyokushin, but other than that, i know nothing about it.

**Rune44** · 10-01-2006, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Chett

IMO tae kwan do is just for show, and not as useful for fighting then some other things, thats my opinion.. ive heard of some professional fighters being trained in kyokushin, but other than that, i know nothing about it.

No, tae kwon do CAN be just as effective as other martial arts it just has to be taught properly (which most of the time it is not) for ex: shaolin monks

**Chett** · 10-01-2006, 07:26 PM

tae kwan do is pure kicking.. here is a video of a muay thai fighter fighting a tae kwan do black belt:

it was even under special rules which allowed no punches to the face

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk7O8ELJDvU

**LionofJud@h** · 10-01-2006, 07:26 PM

My brother takes TKD from one of the best instructors in the country in the Tae-Z Park school. Oldschool TKD, one of the pure forms from Korea. Tae Z was one of the military teachers and champions of Korea.

My brothers instructor is very good, black dude, guy could bench 400 raw at 175 lbs in highschool. Wupped everyone in tournies.

My brother is a very good fighter, and he just does TKD. TKD is a very athletic martial art, so if your going to be great at it, you better have some very strong genetic benefits, be it speed, flexilibility, strength, or size.

**delta9** · 10-01-2006, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Chett

yeah i laugh at "flow fighting" because it is ridiculous.

so what if it sounds a little silly, it's bassically the goal or you can even call it "zone fighting" or always being at your best in competition. cross the line with this and you will loose.

**delta9** · 10-01-2006, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by LionofJud@h

My brother takes TKD from one of the best instructors in the country in the Tae-Z Park school. Oldschool TKD, one of the pure forms from Korea. Tae Z was one of the military teachers and champions of Korea.

My brothers instructor is very good, black dude, guy could bench 400 raw at 175 lbs in highschool. Wupped everyone in tournies.

My brother is a very good fighter, and he just does TKD. TKD is a very athletic martial art, so if your going to be great at it, you better have some very strong genetic benefits, be it speed, flexilibility, strength, or size.

adding to it I think mirko cro cops kicks show us that maybe some of those TKD kicks are good. Most of those "genetic benefits" can be trained.

**delta9** · 10-01-2006, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by brahmabull1

Now that the Krav Maga argument is over.. anybody have some personal experience in Kyokushin karate? Would you be able to describe it and give me some more of your personal opinion?

Thanks for all the help folks.

I remember hearing something about gomi training in karate, his punches have a hint of karate so maybe it's true.

**Chett** · 10-01-2006, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by delta9

so what if it sounds a little silly, it's bassically the goal or you can even call it "zone fighting" or always being at your best in competition. cross the line with this and you will loose.

what? are you telling me that a systema fighter would beat me in a fight? i severely doubt i would fall to the ground after a systema "fighter" tapped me on the shoulders.

i would gladly fight one if one challenged me.

**Chett** · 10-01-2006, 07:50 PM

really.. just look at how ridiculous it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJDnMDJVWmQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eak-m...elated&search=

**BringtheNoise** · 10-01-2006, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Rune44

No, tae kwon do CAN be just as effective as other martial arts it just has to be taught properly (which most of the time it is not) for ex: shaolin monks

Huh? Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but Shaolin monks = Chinese, Tae kwon Do = Korean?

**Chett** · 10-01-2006, 07:58 PM

i believe shaolin monks use shaolin kung fu anyway.

**BringtheNoise** · 10-01-2006, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Chett

i believe shaolin monks use shaolin kung fu anyway.

That's what I was getting at.

**blitz_123** · 10-01-2006, 08:09 PM

boxing my man it will get you in great condition and you will get the amazing handspeed plus you would learn how to take a punch and yet counter with a combination

**B_Master_Flash** · 10-01-2006, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Chett

really.. just look at how ridiculous it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJDnMDJVWmQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eak-m...elated&search=

I don't understand that. Do systema practitioners really think take downs are that easy? I mean their sparring partner seems to just fall over every time they touch them.

**Chett** · 10-01-2006, 08:17 PM

and thats why systema is nonsense.

**delta9** · 10-01-2006, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Chett

what? are you telling me that a systema fighter would beat me in a fight? i severely doubt i would fall to the ground after a systema "fighter" tapped me on the shoulders.

i would gladly fight one if one challenged me.

YES!!!! that is EXACTLY!!! what I'M! saying to you Chett, a systema fighter will make you look like a little girl, like a litlle girl, like a little girl. plz TELL all of us when you have had a fight with a systema fighter, win or loose you will tell us, HOWEVER UNTILL THEN YOU WILL TRY TO DISPROVE THE CLAIMS OF SYSTEMA AND IF YOU bull**** about systema then ATLEAST do a good job at it like explaining your views.

**Chett** · 10-01-2006, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Chett

really.. just look at how ridiculous it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJDnMDJVWmQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eak-m...elated&search=

once again, please take a good long look at these videos delta9. it is nonsense, do you reall think that tapping somebody on the shoulder is going to make somebody immediately keel over? there is no possible way, no stupid "nervous system interruptions" or anything, it is just crap. i guarantee that this stuff would not work in a real life fight, and if you think it does, you have been watching to many movies.

**Chett** · 10-01-2006, 08:29 PM

as you can see in the videos, that guy is just complying with all of his "techniques" and doing all the movement for him. when he taps him on the shoulder, he turns around on his own accord, not due to a nervous system disfunction or whatever they would lead you to believe.

they are practicing stupid taps on cooperative opponents, it is not live training.

i think you just cant accept that that stuff is bull****.. seriously, think of how ridiculous it is. look at how stupid it is, i really dont understand why you seem to think its so great..

**blitz_123** · 10-01-2006, 08:37 PM

the tape might look **** but stopping ones heart is possible with just one strike watch ripleys man the episode where in they feature the guy who has the touch of death they have a heart monitor to find out if his students were faking it. well all i can say is thier heart really stopped unless it was a really good show of acting but i doubt it since ripleys is not bogus

**Chett** · 10-01-2006, 08:40 PM

you actually believed that ****? man.. take a look at this video, it was an investigation on his bold claims.. and its no surprise that it was pretty much debunked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdrzBL2dHMI

fighting styles that can "kill somebody with a single blow" or "stop someones heart" or whatever are all just nonsense, and regarded as a joke, and are the butt end of many jokes in the fighting community.

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