Fight Science: Hard Body Training

[TheRoadWarrior]

I assumed he was thinking that if somebody like those brick breaking guys touched their head to your shoulder in a fight that it would break, because in a real fight somebody isnt going to lay on the ground in the perfect position for them to do that on you.

Exactly.

[Chett]

So would you say the man running at you like that from the side, and shouldering you in the head/side wouldn't work?

Not all fights happen while people are standing face to face...

People need to get over themselves with thinking all fights are like UFC or Pride fights.

yes, im saying it wouldnt work, because not only would it not have that much impact, because someone isnt just going to stand there while someone is running at them, but also because the person they are running at will most likely punch them in the face.

MMA fights are the closest thing youll find to real life fighting situations out there.

[delta9]

yes, im saying it wouldnt work, because not only would it not have that much impact, because someone isnt just going to stand there while someone is running at them, but also because the person they are running at will most likely punch them in the face.

yeah but throw that guy into mihkail (fat guy in cammo pants) and interesting things will happen

[MainFrameSolja]

yes, im saying it wouldnt work, because not only would it not have that much impact, because someone isnt just going to stand there while someone is running at them, but also because the person they are running at will most likely punch them in the face.

MMA fights are the closest thing youll find to real life fighting situations out there.

You're a ****ing idiot

I want him to run into you like that from the side, catching you offguard. But no, you will react in time to punch him in the face and KO him, correct?

MMA is nothing like real life fighting situations

[Chett]

yeah but throw that guy into mihkail (fat guy in cammo pants) and interesting things will happen

what?

[Chett]

You're a ****ing idiot

I want him to run into you like that from the side, catching you offguard. But no, you will react in time to punch him in the face and KO him, correct?

MMA is nothing like real life fighting situations

yes it is moron, all that they will accomplish is pushing you in the direction that they are running, you arent a fixed object like a concrete block.

[MainFrameSolja]

yes it is moron, all that they will accomplish is pushing you in the direction that they are running, you arent a fixed object like a concrete block.

So your going to tell me the impact from them hitting you, and then you flying and htting the ground will not hurt because I am not a fixed object?

I guess the boxer's punch wouldn't hurt either, neither would the Muay thai fighters knee to the ribs. I mean, we aren't fixed objects that stay in place like what they hit either.

[Chett]

So your going to tell me the impact from them hitting you, and then you flying and htting the ground will not hurt because I am not a fixed object?

yes.

those techniques are not practical in real fights, face it. MMA styles/techniques are.

[MainFrameSolja]

yes.

those techniques are not practical in real fights, face it. MMA styles/techniques are.

.....wow

that's all I have to say

[Chett]

.....wow

that's all I have to say

good, maybe you finally realize how ridiculous of a prospect it is that you would say that those techniques are practical in fights.

[MainFrameSolja]

good, maybe you finally realize how ridiculous of a prospect it is that you would say that those techniques are practical in fights.

You're ****ing retarded man

In a face to face fight, no they wouldn't ****ing work, and they stated that in the video. But if that ****ing guy blindsided you with his shoulder like that, you would be out or extremely hurt.

[Chett]

You're ****ing retarded man

In a face to face fight, no they wouldn't ****ing work, and they stated that in the video. But if that ****ing guy blindsided you with his shoulder like that, you would be out or extremely hurt.

how? in order to be knocked out your brain has to hit the back of your skull.. that can be accomplished with a hard punch to the chin or temple.. if someone just tackles you on the side like that , sure youll be pushed sideways, and maybe hit the ground, but that doesnt mean that your going to be out or hurt.. once again, people are not stationary, fixed objects.

[MainFrameSolja]

how? in order to be knocked out your brain has to hit the back of your skull.. that can be accomplished with a hard punch to the chin or temple.. if someone just tackles you on the side like that , sure youll be pushed sideways, and maybe hit the ground, but that doesnt mean that your going to be out or hurt.. once again, people are not stationary, fixed objects.

If the man hits you like that, 90% chance your head will hit the ground or another place with great force.

[Chett]

oh yeah? i say 90% chance not.

[MainFrameSolja]

oh yeah? i say 90% chance not.

Well, how about you contact that guy and have him hit you like that from the side or from behind.

[Chett]

you really think that somebody hitting you in your shoulder with their shoulder is going to injure you that much? please bring up some valid points, so this is a worthwhile argument.

[Chett]

and once again, im willing to bet if somebody is really far away, and running at you like that, you will notice.. or somebody around you will notice and warn you.

[MainFrameSolja]

and once again, im willing to bet if somebody is really far away, and running at you like that, you will notice.. or somebody around you will notice and warn you.

This arguement is going no where...

You should leave this section, it would increase the IQ of the sub-forum greatly.

[Chett]

This arguement is going no where...

You should leave this section, it would increase the IQ of the sub-forum greatly.

you have no idea about anything that is related to real fighting. ramming your head into someones shoulder is just stupid, if you think this systema bull****, or any other of that stupid crap is useful, then i suggest you do a wikipedia on "MMA"

[TheRoadWarrior]

You are both right in your own ways so why continue to argue?

Yes, those guys moves are not effective in a real fight.

Yes, if one of them rushed you like he rushed those ice blocks and you didn't see him coming then you would probably get hurt.

[MainFrameSolja]

You are both right in your own ways so why continue to argue?

Yes, those guys moves are not effective in a real fight.

Yes, if one of them rushed you like he rushed those ice blocks and you didn't see him coming then you would probably get hurt.

Im not arguing anymore

[MenTaLPiRacY]

unless you want to severely **** up your hand while training the heavy bag, i would suggest using handwraps and gloves. punching a wall will do nothing but **** up your hand as well.

Thats just it.. my hand is not fvked up and it does not hurt! i may be dumb, but im not dumb enough to hit a wall really hard.. im talking about jabs to the wall. over time it just stopped hurting when i would hit it. That is what i did to help me. and what works for me may not work for u..

[Chett]

Thats just it.. my hand is not fvked up and it does not hurt! i may be dumb, but im not dumb enough to hit a wall really hard.. im talking about jabs to the wall. over time it just stopped hurting when i would hit it. That is what i did to help me. and what works for me may not work for u..

however this could be damaging the nerves in your hand, which may lead to arthritis later in life.. and why do you think every single professional boxer, or fighter out there ALWAYS uses gloves on the heavy bag? its so they dont **** up their hand.

[TheRoadWarrior]

Thats just it.. my hand is not fvked up and it does not hurt! i may be dumb, but im not dumb enough to hit a wall really hard.. im talking about jabs to the wall. over time it just stopped hurting when i would hit it. That is what i did to help me. and what works for me may not work for u..

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...02&postcount=2

This is about shins, but it's basically the same thing desensitizing any parts of your body.

[delta9]

however this could be damaging the nerves in your hand, which may lead to arthritis later in life.. and why do you think every single professional boxer, or fighter out there ALWAYS uses gloves on the heavy bag? its so they dont **** up their hand.

do veteran boxers have bad eyes because of the shock delivered to the back of the head from punches?

[Chett]

do veteran boxers have bad eyes because of the shock delivered to the back of the head from punches?

you can get brain damage from being knocked out over and over again but i dont know if ive heard of eyesight getting damaged, but i guess it can if you get hit right on the eye alot of times , or if you get knocked out tons of times

i think one guy named jens pulver got a small chunk taken out of his eye after being punched there

[LionofJud@h]

I gurantee they can produce some of these same types of breaks in a real fight because of the conditioning of their bones.


There was a documentory on the Learning Channel, one of the many martial arts ones about 5 months ago. It showed an okinawan karate master who was 80 something, conditioning his fingers by hitting them against a rock over and over.

His son then held up boards, while his father broke the boards in half by hitting them with 2 fingers... It works.


its the same thing with someone someone having a block of ice smashed on their stomach with a sledgehammer, or being rolled over by a vehicle. It takes a certain type of conditioning. Once they have that conditioning they can utilize that new ability in a real fight. Such as if they are hit in the abdomen they can absorb most any strike.

[MenTaLPiRacY]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...02&postcount=2

This is about shins, but it's basically the same thing desensitizing any parts of your body.

OMG. what have i dont to myself.. *walks off in the sunset crying*









































jk lol.. but that is an interesting article. somthing to think about. thanks..

[Chett]

I gurantee they can produce some of these same types of breaks in a real fight because of the conditioning of their bones.


There was a documentory on the Learning Channel, one of the many martial arts ones about 5 months ago. It showed an okinawan karate master who was 80 something, conditioning his fingers by hitting them against a rock over and over.

His son then held up boards, while his father broke the boards in half by hitting them with 2 fingers... It works.


its the same thing with someone someone having a block of ice smashed on their stomach with a sledgehammer, or being rolled over by a vehicle. It takes a certain type of conditioning. Once they have that conditioning they can utilize that new ability in a real fight. Such as if they are hit in the abdomen they can absorb most any strike.

in a fight, you never know what is going to come at you, just because you "condition your fingers" or whatever is not going to make you capable of breaking somebodys arm in half by touching them with your fingers. getting a block of ice smashed on your stomach is all about technique, and getting punched in the stomach or ribs during a fight is much different. if people could condition to absorb any strike to the abdomen at all then you wouldnt see body shots in mma/boxing/kickboxing

[BringtheNoise]

I can't believe how stupid some people posting in here are.


*Shakes head and leaves thread*