i can't help but laugh at this.
Pastor Franck Kabele, 35, told his congregation he could repeat the biblical miracle, and he attempted it from a beach in Gabon's capital of Libreville.
"He told churchgoers he'd had a revelation that if he had enough faith, he could walk on water like Jesus," an eyewitness told the Glasgow Daily Record.
"He took his congregation to the beach saying he would walk across the Komo estuary, which takes 20 minutes by boat. He walked into the water, which soon passed over his head and he never came back."
the bible says you can move mountains with faith. apparently, that doesn't apply to walking on water. i find it amusing that miracles supposedly took place in the bible, and yet, when some faithful servant tries a miracle now, he just dies. tell me, what is god's plan in this? do you think this will do something positive for christianity? does a failed miracle some how have a positive impact? did he accidently turn off the "miracle switch?" oh, right, i guess our tiny brains can't fathom the complexities of god's plan.
09-06-2006, 03:55 PM #1
preacher dies trying to walk on water
09-06-2006, 04:00 PM #2
Humans are unable to understand what total faith even means. I'm not dumb enough to try to walk on water because I know that my faith isn't strong enough to allow it to happen. In the bible, peter is able to momentarily walk on water until he begins to fear and worry and then he nearly drowns. As humans there will always be that inevitable shred of doubt in the back of our minds that prevents us from accomplishing things such as this. The preacher should have known better, and as a result, not only did he drown but he also made believers look silly.
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09-06-2006, 04:05 PM #3Originally Posted by Revolver45
this man had enough faith to DROWN. he didn't walk on the water at ALL. you're saying that a man who actually walked until he drowned didn't have as much faith as peter? you've got to be kidding me. i love the old, "you didn't have enough faith" cop out. so classic.
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09-06-2006, 04:13 PM #7Originally Posted by serious_Q
according to revolver45, everyone with faith has doubts. so, apparently, it's good enough to keep you out of hell but not good enough to keep you from drowning.
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09-06-2006, 05:32 PM #11Originally Posted by AKR
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09-06-2006, 06:34 PM #14Originally Posted by Revolver45
As for the miracles... Yeah there's nothing fishy about there being a multitude of them in the bible but nothing anything close to a "miracle" has ever been accurately documented to the point where there is no doubt ever since!
God has countless efforts devoted to having his believers down on Earth constantly going on about how everybody is going to hell, but saving a man who was probably completely devoted to him wouldn't fit into his schedule.
But to ever point out a contradiction or illogical point to do with religion makes me an ******* who doesn't respect peoples' right to believe what they want. Spending countless hours nitpicking every single scientific theory for holes though is an admirable pursuit though.
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It's sad that someone would do something like that, I'm sure he's missed by friends and family.
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09-06-2006, 10:17 PM #19
The problem here is in the interpretation of what Jesus meant by "faith". Is by no means blind conviction. This is evidenced by this dumb guy drowning himself.
The faith that Jesus spoke of is belief in the holy spirit, and in the Christ consciousness that exists throughout creation, after one has had real contact with them.
Once you have merged your consciousness with one of God's agents of creation then Jesus states to have faith in them, that they will do what you ask of them.
Walking on water can only be done by those who can see in reality and truly that all of creation is just a condensation of God's thoughts. His thoughts were condensed into light, energy, atoms, electrons, and finally solids, liquids, gases, plasma, and ether.
Only when you percieve this light of God everywhere can you control it.
Yogis in India have been performing the miracles of Christ before his birth and after.
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09-06-2006, 10:49 PM #22Originally Posted by AKR
"thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" Perhaps this man could have gotten more with this revelation
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09-06-2006, 10:55 PM #24
This story reminds me of the joke I heard where a man walked into the lions cage at the zoo saying that God would protect him but the lions ate him anyway. After eating, one lion said that they had prayed for a meal to come along before the man had said his prayer.
Maybe the fish were praying for the same thing in this case.
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Pride cometh before the fall.
If you start to put yourself in the position of miracle-maker, actively trying to use the Bible and God's word for your own personal gain, you will fall, and hard.
What need is there for this man to try a stupid stunt like this? Nothing of the sort in the Bible encourages this type of behavior. God gives us free will, and unfortunately that free will also includes the ability to undertake amazingly idiotic acts.
The Bible even implores people not to let others know when they are fasting, not to seek attention for their suffering. This man was obviously trying to gain attention for himself through his act.Russell Wilson, the first QB in NFL history to throw a game-winning interception.
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What an idiot. Everyone knows God doesn't work through miracles like that. That's too convincing. He performs miracles in a more round about way, like helping people get good grades on their tests, determining the outcome of football games, helping rappers win a grammy, and making trees that kind of look like a praying person.