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    jeff monson VS. tim SYLvia

    who will win

    this would be crazy to watch considering the extreme height difference of about 1 foot.

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    I believe this fight will end up like the arlowski fight. Monsoon has to take silvia down to even have a chance.
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    IF Monson can take Sylvia down (and that is a big IF), the fight will end quickly with Sylvia tapping out to the Monson Squoze (i.e. North/South choke). However Sylvia's jab will probably keep Monson at a safe enough distance and a betting man would put money on a Sylvia KO in the 2nd or 3rd. Too bad... Monson is my favorite fighter too. Just a horrible matchup for him.
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    I hope monson breaks his ankle, sylvia called fedor a "tiny little ****" plus sylvia is a piece a **** fighter
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    I think people underestimate Monson's chances in this fight.

    While the reach advantage of Sylvia is key, if this fight goes to the ground, Sylvia is in deep ****.
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    Originally Posted by bert_n_ernie
    I hope monson breaks his ankle, sylvia called fedor a "tiny little ****" plus sylvia is a piece a **** fighter
    when did he call him that? any video?
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    monson mustn't keep this fight standing.
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    Originally Posted by slavko
    when did he call him that? any video?
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=NJI1aBx9Kr4

    watch when he talks about fighting with fedor

    and sylvia backed out of a fight with jerome lebanner who would have whooped his ass....
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    I think Monson is a much better grappler than Sylvia is (obviously)... but I don't think Tim is as awful on the ground as people seem to think. He was subbed by Mir in a weird bent-arm lock where Tim's arm snapped, and he was half KO-ed when Arlovski heel-hooked him. I think he can survive for awhile on the ground against Monson. Most of Monson's grappling is based off ground control and positioning, and not as much in actual submissions, and though he's pretty good at that as well, he's not exactly Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera when it comes to finishing good fighters with submissions.
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    Originally Posted by HulkHagen
    I think Monson is a much better grappler than Sylvia is (obviously)... but I don't think Tim is as awful on the ground as people seem to think. He was subbed by Mir in a weird bent-arm lock where Tim's arm snapped, and he was half KO-ed when Arlovski heel-hooked him. I think he can survive for awhile on the ground against Monson. Most of Monson's grappling is based off ground control and positioning, and not as much in actual submissions, and though he's pretty good at that as well, he's not exactly Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera when it comes to finishing good fighters with submissions.
    True, but I think that he's got a huge strength advantage over Sylvia, particularly on the ground, and could probably at least control him well enough to get a decision.
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    Originally Posted by bert_n_ernie
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=NJI1aBx9Kr4

    watch when he talks about fighting with fedor
    fedor is a little **** compared to sylvia...


    sylvia is too big for monson and i cant really see monson taking sylvia down
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    Originally Posted by HulkHagen
    I think Monson is a much better grappler than Sylvia is (obviously)... but I don't think Tim is as awful on the ground as people seem to think. He was subbed by Mir in a weird bent-arm lock where Tim's arm snapped, and he was half KO-ed when Arlovski heel-hooked him. I think he can survive for awhile on the ground against Monson. Most of Monson's grappling is based off ground control and positioning, and not as much in actual submissions, and though he's pretty good at that as well, he's not exactly Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera when it comes to finishing good fighters with submissions.
    Monson > Mir at grappling
    Mir is way the hell better at subs than Tim. Nog is probably one of the most overrated MMA submission people of all time. Just like Monson he has lots of sub wins but nothing over anyone special.
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    watch some of FEDORS highlight videos the guy is a freaking beast.

    he hits so hard, and so fast its incredible. and he is great at taking down opponents regardless of size.

    fedor might put sylvia in a coma.
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    Originally Posted by bert_n_ernie
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=NJI1aBx9Kr4

    watch when he talks about fighting with fedor

    and sylvia backed out of a fight with jerome lebanner who would have whooped his ass....
    wow, what an *******, I can't wait for Fedor to tear him apart.
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    Originally Posted by Matt96teg
    Monson > Mir at grappling
    Mir is way the hell better at subs than Tim. Nog is probably one of the most overrated MMA submission people of all time. Just like Monson he has lots of sub wins but nothing over anyone special.
    Yeah but Monson has exactly zero submission wins over anyone remotely close to a top ten figher, whereas atleast Nog has submitted Herring, Coleman, Cro Cop, Enson, etc. When it comes right down to it, in the bigger weight classes almost no one can finish very good fighters via submission... really the only ones to do it with any kind of consistently are Nog and Fedor, to a lesser degree.

    To compare Nog's resume to Monson's is like comparing Wanderlei Silva to Forrest Griffin; you are comparing someone who is great and has faced top-notch competition to someone who is a good, tough fighter, that has never really beaten anyone great. Monson is a quality HW, but if the UFC weren't so starved for HW contenders he wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the heap, IMO.
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    Originally Posted by little_big_man
    watch some of FEDORS highlight videos the guy is a freaking beast.

    he hits so hard, and so fast its incredible. and he is great at taking down opponents regardless of size.

    fedor might put sylvia in a coma.
    Yes yes.... we've all seen Fedor fight; I really wish you guys would give it a break.

    I've been watching Pride for like 6-7 years, I don't need to see any highlight clips.
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    tim"THE SLOTH"sylvia will lose I fope by broken limb.
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    Liddell beat Monson in 2002 and so did Forrest Griffin. Monson's last loss is to Forrest Griffin in 2002. Since then he is 16-0. Sylvia has to be quick on his feet and avoid a takedown at all costs. Monson isn't just a good grappler. He's won the Abu Dabi world title twice. That's the best there is in submission fighting. Tim's ok on the ground but he has problems avoiding triangle type submissions. Monson will definitely eat a few punches and kicks to get the takedown. "IF" Monson can get Sylvia on his back, it's going to be a bad night for Tim. The key to this fight will be Tim's foot speed and sprawl to avoid being taken down.
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    Like ^^^ said above...

    Monson is the ADCC CHAMPION. That is, the BEST NO-GI HEAVYWEIGHT GRAPPLER IN THE WORLD.
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    Originally Posted by HulkHagen
    Yeah but Monson has exactly zero submission wins over anyone remotely close to a top ten figher, whereas atleast Nog has submitted Herring, Coleman, Cro Cop, Enson, etc. When it comes right down to it, in the bigger weight classes almost no one can finish very good fighters via submission... really the only ones to do it with any kind of consistently are Nog and Fedor, to a lesser degree.

    To compare Nog's resume to Monson's is like comparing Wanderlei Silva to Forrest Griffin; you are comparing someone who is great and has faced top-notch competition to someone who is a good, tough fighter, that has never really beaten anyone great. Monson is a quality HW, but if the UFC weren't so starved for HW contenders he wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the heap, IMO.
    Cro-cop had zero sub D when he fought Nog, Coleman uhhh LMFAO hammer house has horrible sub D, Enson uhm hes not top ten or close to it. Herring I will give you that.
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    i hope frank mir or jeff monson breaks tim's arm again
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    Frank Mir is in bad shape. His fight with Dan Christianson was horrible. Frank was completely out of shape. I understand why, but.... Frank's got a long way to go before he's a serious contender again.
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    monson is a tough nut
    but reach advantage is far too much
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    Cro-cop had zero sub D when he fought Nog, Coleman uhhh LMFAO hammer house has horrible sub D, Enson uhm hes not top ten or close to it. Herring I will give you that.
    Coleman's only submission losses are to Fedor and Nog, so I don't really get how he has poor submission defense. Randleman I'll give you, but Coleman kinda gets lumped in with him just because he is from Hammer House. Losing via sub to Fedor and Nog isn't anything to be ashamed of. Enson isn't top 10 but he is a damn good BJJ guy, and to switch from one submission into another like Nog did (who was basically toying with Enson) shows some extreme skills.

    You can't really say how good Mirko's sub defense was up to that point, because he'd never been tested, but I still say Nog is the best HW submission finisher... much better than Monson atleast. Jeff has never beaten a top 10 fighter period, let alone by a submission.
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    Originally Posted by HulkHagen
    Coleman's only submission losses are to Fedor and Nog, so I don't really get how he has poor submission defense. Randleman I'll give you, but Coleman kinda gets lumped in with him just because he is from Hammer House. Losing via sub to Fedor and Nog isn't anything to be ashamed of. Enson isn't top 10 but he is a damn good BJJ guy, and to switch from one submission into another like Nog did (who was basically toying with Enson) shows some extreme skills.

    You can't really say how good Mirko's sub defense was up to that point, because he'd never been tested, but I still say Nog is the best HW submission finisher... much better than Monson atleast. Jeff has never beaten a top 10 fighter period, let alone by a submission.
    but colemans fight with cro cop was a shame
    he really ate that uppercut and landed face first
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