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[KieMoxie]

Hello everyone! Great thread I love it.

Has anyone here PERSONALLY overcome shoulder dislocations and surgery to come back to play rugby? I am currently an assistant forward coach for my u19 club, but think about playing every day . My shoulder so far has had other plans for me to this point(dislocations, torn labrum(sp?), fixed now packing on some muscle and rehabbing).

Was always front row or 8.

[PotKettleBlack]

Nah I go to a comprehensive that only really plays football... wish I could play for a school but private school is waaaay too expensive for me, and I'm also happy with friends and stuff so I don't want to go to a grammar school to play. Although in sixth form I might get the chance to play for the grammar that's on the same site as mine, although it's not as good as the one further away (which usually does pretty well in the Daily Mail cup... can't remember how far they got this year). I will still play if I can though obviously! I'm guessing you do play for school then?

You go to a comprehensive school that only plays football? That's awful. And people wonder why English sport is going downhill, and not bringing any talent through in anything. So you just play for a local team then?

Grr. I'm still in shock that people would deprive school pupils of rugby. Mine didn't, but as soon as my year left, our team had no players. So they don't play any more. Shocking.

[KieMoxie]

I agree that many many players think that bench pressing 300 pounds means more then rugby sense/ skills. BUT I disagree if you think for a second that taking a very good player(or any for that matter) and molding his body into a more explosive , powerful, dynamic tool is anything but GREAT.

[ruga buga]

x2 mate but its not just americans, its football players in general, even up in Canada we get a few who think that bench pressing 300lbs will make them a sick rugby player


Its irritating

your right haha

[monatu]

Hello everyone! Great thread I love it.

Has anyone here PERSONALLY overcome shoulder dislocations and surgery to come back to play rugby? I am currently an assistant forward coach for my u19 club, but think about playing every day . My shoulder so far has had other plans for me to this point(dislocations, torn labrum(sp?), fixed now packing on some muscle and rehabbing).

Was always front row or 8.

I havent personally

but 2 of the guys in my school have dislocated and had shoulder recontrsuctions. there both playing again.

One of them occasionally takes a few sessions off upper body weights or scrum training during the season as his shoulder can get sore. The other guy seems fine.
So in the short term they seem to be fine, dont know if they will be able to play a few years from now.

[Will87]

Hello everyone! Great thread I love it.

Has anyone here PERSONALLY overcome shoulder dislocations and surgery to come back to play rugby? I am currently an assistant forward coach for my u19 club, but think about playing every day . My shoulder so far has had other plans for me to this point(dislocations, torn labrum(sp?), fixed now packing on some muscle and rehabbing).

Was always front row or 8.

I dislocated mine and tore a few ligs but i was lucky that i did not need surgery (well not yet, having a fwe shoulder problems at the moment)

If you make sure you do the proper re-hab and make sure you do ALOT of shoulder and back weights you should be fine. Most of it will be mental more than physical but all you can do is try.

[Will87]

your right haha

So right there. I have got a few mates that have gone out to Canada to play a little rugby, they did say the standard was pretty shocking over there. But ALL they do is beach weights... try to make them selves look good and then when it comes to playing rugby they are always getting injuried because they are not doing the right type of training.

[Sean_Jmu]

Other players in the league... Why?

people give themselves unjust accolades

thats a very loose statement to throw about

[Will87]

people give themselves unjust accolades

thats a very loose statement to throw about

Well if it up sets you that much then ill take it back!

[Dickyw]

You go to a comprehensive school that only plays football? That's awful. And people wonder why English sport is going downhill, and not bringing any talent through in anything. So you just play for a local team then?

Grr. I'm still in shock that people would deprive school pupils of rugby. Mine didn't, but as soon as my year left, our team had no players. So they don't play any more. Shocking.

Yeah it's really bad. I wish sports here coould have the kind of importance placed on them that it does in America... you hear about teams practicing every day for 3 hours after school and that, Jesus if you even told the footy team here that they were doing that the reaction would be something like "**** off".

There needs to be more time spent encouraging sports, especially at a young age cause even when our old p.e. teacher tried to get a rugby team going, the only people who came were the 3-4 of us who play at local teams and some wilkinson brownnosers (this was straight after the 2003 world cup). But that was teh first, and last time I've heard anything about rugby from the pe department, we have played a few games, but the standard was so low you wouldn't believe, cause both us and the other teams had about 3 people who knew how to play and the rest were just idiots. I think more yards were covered sideways and backwards (recovering the balls they dropped) than actually went forward :|

[Sean_Jmu]

Well if it up sets you that much then ill take it back!

you just sound like one of those people 'I got told I could play for england' 'by who?' 'my dad'

people who talk about what they got told by the fella in the pub or their junior coach and not what they HAVE acheived are 9 times out of 10 a very very poor player

[Will87]

you just sound like one of those people 'I got told I could play for england' 'by who?' 'my dad'

people who talk about what they got told by the fella in the pub or their junior coach and not what they HAVE acheived are 9 times out of 10 a very very poor player

Well if you feel like that i wont talk about it any more, at the end of the day it doesnt bother me. I wont share my experience of what standard i have played to.

I wont bother sharing my experience of training with proffessionals when i was at Bath for 3 years, or the fact that i have captained my county side over 5 times and played for them for 5years or that fact that i have played south west. but hey dont worry about it. Please share your experience with us and im sure we will all listen with some much intent!!

All i was trying to say was that i have played at a pretty high level and that i would like to share my experience with people that are coming up through the ranks.

So unless you have got anything positive to say.. get the hell out of our topic!!

[Dickyw]

Well if you feel like that i wont talk about it any more, at the end of the day it doesnt bother me. I wont share my experience of what standard i have played to.

I wont bother sharing my experience of training with proffessionals when i was at Bath for 3 years, or the fact that i have captained my county side over 5 times and played for them for 5years or that fact that i have played south west. but hey dont worry about it. Please share your experience with us and im sure we will all listen with some much intent!!

All i was trying to say was that i have played at a pretty high level and that i would like to share my experience with people that are coming up through the ranks.

So unless you have got anything positive to say.. get the hell out of our topic!!

Would you say there was one feature that the centres/backs in general who make it past county to regional level have that others don't?

[Triple6]

Hello everyone! Great thread I love it.

Has anyone here PERSONALLY overcome shoulder dislocations and surgery to come back to play rugby? I am currently an assistant forward coach for my u19 club, but think about playing every day . My shoulder so far has had other plans for me to this point(dislocations, torn labrum(sp?), fixed now packing on some muscle and rehabbing).

Was always front row or 8.

no surgery but have dislocated a number of times, now suffer from partial dislocations all the time... since you have already had surgery just strengthen the muscles until you are 110% sure your fit... rugby, like bodybuilding for me is an addiction, but you cannot make a stupid decision that will wreck your life going forward...

[Sean_Jmu]

Well if you feel like that i wont talk about it any more, at the end of the day it doesnt bother me. I wont share my experience of what standard i have played to.

I wont bother sharing my experience of training with proffessionals when i was at Bath for 3 years, or the fact that i have captained my county side over 5 times and played for them for 5years or that fact that i have played south west. but hey dont worry about it. Please share your experience with us and im sure we will all listen with some much intent!!

All i was trying to say was that i have played at a pretty high level and that i would like to share my experience with people that are coming up through the ranks.

So unless you have got anything positive to say.. get the hell out of our topic!!

Im going to play for Waterloo next season, having just came back from a broken ankle Im starting to train with them, played for Lancashire through my teens and have been playing for John Moores University untill then

some people are just a lot more modest

[Dickyw]

Im going to play for Waterloo next season, having just came back from a broken ankle Im starting to train with them, played for Lancashire through my teens and have been playing for John Moores University untill then

some people are just a lot more modest

Waterloo, nice! Be sure to beat Blackheath next year, although I wouldn't bet on being able to, they are THE CLUB after all...

God I hate Blackheath.

[Sean_Jmu]

Waterloo, nice! Be sure to beat Blackheath next year, although I wouldn't bet on being able to, they are THE CLUB after all...

God I hate Blackheath.

They lost to them the other week I think

Waterloo won the lancs cup last night which is a good acheievement considering it was against Sedgely Park AT Sedgely Park

I dont know whats gonna happen with the club though, theres loads of politics involved, Im just gonna try and get in the side

[Dickyw]

They lost to them the other week I think

Waterloo won the lancs cup last night which is a good acheievement considering it was against Sedgely Park AT Sedgely Park

I dont know whats gonna happen with the club though, theres loads of politics involved, Im just gonna try and get in the side

Shame. Good luck for next year though man. Did you mention your position, I forget?

[Sean_Jmu]

prop, either side

I play number 8 aswell but not at the highest level, just when needed

just hope the coach appreciates leaner props as opposed to the 20stone+ ones currently playing

[Will87]

prop, either side

I play number 8 aswell but not at the highest level, just when needed

just hope the coach appreciates leaner props as opposed to the 20stone+ ones currently playing

good luck with that, dont worry the coaches will appreciate leaner props. Fat boys have gone out of the modern games these day's. Its a hard one though... as New Zealand made sure all players could do their first job properly eg prop to scrum, and then anything else was a bonus but then the french went for mobile pack.

im sure these days and age a coach will understand. You dont need to be big you need to be technical. How much do you weigh?

[Dickyw]

I wish my teams props were leaner! God damn one of them is, no joke, about 5'5 and 16 stone. I doubt he's ever hit a ruck... and he's always in the god damn way when i'm trying to pass!

[Sean_Jmu]

Im 6ft 210lbs

Im not exactly light but I havent got a big gut and trundle round

Its a horrible position playing at prop because nobody notices your good work but it goes to pot when you play badly

[Will87]

Im 6ft 210lbs

Im not exactly light but I havent got a big gut and trundle round

Its a horrible position playing at prop because nobody notices your good work but it goes to pot when you play badly

I know exactly what you mean, you put your all in to a scrum to make sure you win your won ball then you have a backs coach shouting at you because you are not at the ruck... what does he know! He is a back coach for a reason!! Im glad that we have got a forwards coach now (ex england flanker) but he still doesnt quite know what goes on in the front row!! Its hard work and people forget that and as you said they oonly see it when you go back wards in the scrum!

[tomahawk1984]

Hey guys, I've got a good pdf file that has a lot of conditioning work outs in it, mostly using the concept 2 rower, which if you are a forward you will appreciate due to the lack of 'on your feet' training. Might be interested to know that leading up to the 2003 final England had Martin Johnsone do only 1 fitness session on his feet a week to keep the risk on injury down, everything else was done on a rowing machine. Its also great for backs. PM me if you would like a copy.

I'm a tight head prop and have played for the top university side in the country and would be happy to give advice to any forward players on any aspect of their game. I have no clue about backs unfortunately, although they do spend a lot of time practicing their line running.

The weight programmes listed above are very good and if done properly should give very good results.

With regards to smaller, more mobile front row players I think there is more emphasis on props being big, strong scrummager now than there has ever been in the last 10 years. Hookers can be smaller due having less pressure in the scrum (not that what they deal with is small), for instance the heaviest hooker in Britain is stated at being just over 18stones (approximately 250lbs).

[KieMoxie]

Hey guys, I've got a good pdf file that has a lot of conditioning work outs in it, mostly using the concept 2 rower, which if you are a forward you will appreciate due to the lack of 'on your feet' training. Might be interested to know that leading up to the 2003 final England had Martin Johnsone do only 1 fitness session on his feet a week to keep the risk on injury down, everything else was done on a rowing machine. Its also great for backs. PM me if you would like a copy.

I'm a tight head prop and have played for the top university side in the country and would be happy to give advice to any forward players on any aspect of their game. I have no clue about backs unfortunately, although they do spend a lot of time practicing their line running.

The weight programmes listed above are very good and if done properly should give very good results.

With regards to smaller, more mobile front row players I think there is more emphasis on props being big, strong scrummager now than there has ever been in the last 10 years. Hookers can be smaller due having less pressure in the scrum (not that what they deal with is small), for instance the heaviest hooker in Britain is stated at being just over 18stones (approximately 250lbs).

+rep and pmd!

[BEhave]

had my first rugby game ever today. came in late in the second half and was pretty useless. conditioning killed me. i was tired within like 2 mins

besides that, im excited to play again

[tomahawk1984]

Hi again. I can't figure out a way of attaching a file to a PM so if you want a copy email me your address. Alternatively you can tell me how to do it!

[tomahawk1984]

had my first rugby game ever today. came in late in the second half and was pretty useless. conditioning killed me. i was tired within like 2 mins

besides that, im excited to play again

I remember being confused by it all when I first started playing, and I haven't met anyone yet who wasn't surprised by how tiring it is when you first play. Take comfort in the fact a game of rugby will always tire you out (unless you play out in the backs and pose all game).

[franksg99]

Rugby isn't too popular around here in america. Our team isn't stacked to hell or anything but we play hard and we have won some games against big teams around here. I play outside center and its my first year and I just wish I would have found rugby sooner.

My goal this summer is to start a Rippetoe's style routine because I need to gain some muscle since I'll be a junior in highschool next year. I've got a basic athletic build going but If I'm gonna play on the a or b side next season I've gotta train like hell.

[Dom_88]

Hi guys. Just wondering for the program I posted earlier. A mate of mine is required to perform the hip flexion movement in the multi-directional hip machine. Only problem is his gym doesn't have it. Any ideas for a replacement?