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    Tongkat Ali Long-Term Effect on SHBG's

    I found this post by Nptadude (member of another site):

    No doubt... tongkat ali is the most powerful herbal substance as far as it goes with stimulating LH production, and it also has a particularly useful to steroid users property in that it reduces SHBG's which essentially makes you less responsive to higher levels of testosterone. Tongkat ali in just a couple weeks of use can lower your SHBG's as much as 70% which results in huge increases in free available testosterone, very important when you are in recovery and this can preserve/save your on-cycle gains in a very big way.

    Tongkat ali can be used long term, whereas Tribulus has been shown to only stimulate your testosterone production for about 10 to 14 days, then it looses its effectiveness. On the other hand tongkat continues to raise the bar higher and higher in time as you continue using tongkat. Many doctors now refer to tongkat ali as being "herbal HCG" or herbal clomid but its perhaps better more like clomid this HCG because it forever stimulates your HTPA and never shuts it down like tribulus or HCG can.

    A buddy of mine asked if there is any info pertaining to the long-term effects on lowering your SHBG's. I wasn't able to find any, can you guy's help me out? Thanks.
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    A post is not evidence...I know where this info came from and in that thread they allude to a a study at Johns Hopkins that shows an ever increasing LH...anyone able to find the study?
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    Originally Posted by Skigazzi
    A post is not evidence...I know where this info came from and in that thread they allude to a a study at Johns Hopkins that shows an ever increasing LH...anyone able to find the study?
    Not saying it is evidence. Just an interesting post that my friend had a question on. Bump for the study, though.
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    go here for research..

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    Originally Posted by Iskandar
    go here for research..

    http://www.tongkatali.org/
    My work blocks that site so I will have to wait until I get home to check out the link. Thanks!
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    Tongkat Ali is a great supplement. I bought a bunch of at the beginning of March and people are buying it left and right. I don't even have to try and sell it. It sells itself. I think it is because people know that Sumatra Pasak Bumi (TongkatAli.org) is the best in the world and that is what I carry. I think its like $69/bottle or more, but I can offer it at almost a third of the price of that.
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    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=645730

    here are the studies taken from the site if you cant get to the site, also, dont go out and just buy some test booster with long jack/tongat ali because of this post, 99% of the products here in america use a tongat powder that is useless
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    Originally Posted by Quelly
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=645730

    here are the studies taken from the site if you cant get to the site, also, dont go out and just buy some test booster with long jack/tongat ali because of this post, 99% of the products here in america use a tongat powder that is useless
    Good post!

    Tongkat Ali Powder (different than Tongkat Ali Extract) doesn't do jack. One would have to take 50 grams to get the same effects of 1 gram from a 1:50 extract of Tongkat Ali Extract. 1:50 means that 50 grams of root were extracted to make one gram of 1:50 extract.

    I personally take 2400mg of 1:50 extract a day (7 days on, 2 days off) and love it. I think its a good product, personally.
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    Originally Posted by HouseOfAtlas
    Good post!

    Tongkat Ali Powder (different than Tongkat Ali Extract) doesn't do jack. One would have to take 50 grams to get the same effects of 1 gram from a 1:50 extract of Tongkat Ali Extract. 1:50 means that 50 grams of root were extracted to make one gram of 1:50 extract.

    I personally take 2400mg of 1:50 extract a day (7 days on, 2 days off) and love it. I think its a good product, personally.
    Would Eurycoma Longifolia (Long Jack Root) be one of those sources that don't do jack? It's in Ejaculoid.
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    Originally Posted by papi93
    I found this post by Nptadude (member of another site):

    No doubt... tongkat ali is the most powerful herbal substance as far as it goes with stimulating LH production, and it also has a particularly useful to steroid users property in that it reduces SHBG's which essentially makes you less responsive to higher levels of testosterone. Tongkat ali in just a couple weeks of use can lower your SHBG's as much as 70% which results in huge increases in free available testosterone, very important when you are in recovery and this can preserve/save your on-cycle gains in a very big way.

    Tongkat ali can be used long term, whereas Tribulus has been shown to only stimulate your testosterone production for about 10 to 14 days, then it looses its effectiveness. On the other hand tongkat continues to raise the bar higher and higher in time as you continue using tongkat. Many doctors now refer to tongkat ali as being "herbal HCG" or herbal clomid but its perhaps better more like clomid this HCG because it forever stimulates your HTPA and never shuts it down like tribulus or HCG can.

    A buddy of mine asked if there is any info pertaining to the long-term effects on lowering your SHBG's. I wasn't able to find any, can you guy's help me out? Thanks.
    i have read up a lot on tka
    i have taken tka myself and it indeed is amazing

    however, what concerns me is 1.that since it mimicks hcg, we all know hcg can densitize leydig cells and lower LH production long term 2.the purity/mercury levels 3.its effect on estrogen levels
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    Tongkat ali can be used long term, whereas Tribulus has been shown to only stimulate your testosterone production for about 10 to 14 days, then it looses its effectiveness. On the other hand tongkat continues to raise the bar higher and higher in time as you continue using tongkat

    theres no proof for this
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    Tongkat Ali is good stuff, anyone know how its effects can be compared to Activate (Nettle Root), don't both of these work the same way?

    Tribulus Raises Test Levels in 10-14 Days, I would like to see that study.
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    Originally Posted by chainsaw
    Tongkat Ali is good stuff, anyone know how its effects can be compared to Activate (Nettle Root), don't both of these work the same way?

    Tribulus Raises Test Levels in 10-14 Days, I would like to see that study.

    im also curious about long term use of nettle root (ie how your body reacts after long term supression of SHGB- is there some rebound after you go off where your body has produced extra SHGB so youll have basically zero free test)
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    Originally Posted by chainsaw
    Tongkat Ali is good stuff, anyone know how its effects can be compared to Activate (Nettle Root), don't both of these work the same way?

    Tribulus Raises Test Levels in 10-14 Days, I would like to see that study.
    Bump for Activate vs. Tongkat Ali comparison?
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    what about this

    ken over here is awesome
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    So would the Tonkgkat Ali in a product like Diesel Test 2010 be the ineffective form (ie. not extract)?
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    So we have...

    Tongkat Ali Root Powder, which is considered useless.

    Now for the extracts and this will needed to be cleared up. Many companies claim theirs is the best but there opinions are biased, so I am looking for unbiased opinions on these different extracts from these leading companies, who liscense there extracts out...

    -Herbal Powers LJ100:1
    -AIDP (Doctor's A-Z) LongJax 20:1, this can be found in iSatori's Isa-Test
    -Suma Pasak Bumi (What Indonesian's call LongJack) from tongkatali.org 50:1
    -Alpha Drive XL from Bioscience Tech
    "We created unique custom extracts to extricate and optimize active factors to achieve the most potent effects anywhere. For example, one notable active fraction that is generally considered the true powerhouse of Tongkat is known as Glycoprotein, and we have included by far the most of any company ever.
    Each 3 capsule daily serving has an unprecedented 60mg of EuryTEINS™, our proprietary active Eurycoma Longifolia Glycoprotein fraction, setting the bar high for the industry standard and supplying 300% more then the next closest competitor."

    It would be nice to get a detail comparison between these 4 extracts.
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    Looks like this thread went nowhere fast.

    Only two things to do now:

    1) Find studies in regards to Tongkat Ali/Eurcyoma Longifolia Jack

    2) Set up a group of (UNBIASED) testers, and possibly provide blood sample test results for us
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    Originally Posted by KingdomCome
    Looks like this thread went nowhere fast.

    Only two things to do now:

    1) Find studies in regards to Tongkat Ali/Eurcyoma Longifolia Jack

    Originally Posted by Quelly
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=645730

    here are the studies taken from the site if you cant get to the site, also, dont go out and just buy some test booster with long jack/tongat ali because of this post, 99% of the products here in america use a tongat powder that is useless
    #1 is good to go
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    Originally Posted by Quelly
    #1 is good to go
    #2 is more important I'd say...
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    Iv just bought some!!

    Originally Posted by HouseOfAtlas View Post
    Good post!

    Tongkat Ali Powder (different than Tongkat Ali Extract) doesn't do jack. One would have to take 50 grams to get the same effects of 1 gram from a 1:50 extract of Tongkat Ali Extract. 1:50 means that 50 grams of root were extracted to make one gram of 1:50 extract.

    I personally take 2400mg of 1:50 extract a day (7 days on, 2 days off) and love it. I think its a good product, personally.
    hey iv just got myself some tongkat from here http://www.tongkatfitness.co.uk/collections/products is this place selling the right stuff or have i just wasted my money?
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    You come up trumps

    Originally Posted by JTkevin View Post
    hey iv just got myself some tongkat from here http://www.tongkatfitness.co.uk/collections/products is this place selling the right stuff or have i just wasted my money?
    You fell on your feet there mate I'v had tongkat from them before an as far as that stuff goes its about the best you can buy they don't fu*k with anything but 200:1 pure root extract.
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    Happy as !

    Sweet! i just finished a cycle of tongkat ali id got from my local supplement store, i followed the diet and training plan from the tongkat fitness site and had some good results off the stuff! was quite impressed so i thought id go online and stock up maybe do a longer cycle, glad to hear iv got genuine tackle it wasn't cheap
    cheers!

    One last thing any idea how long i should leave it before i start my next cycle?
    i was on for 8 weeks last cycle!?
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    I'd give it 8 weeks between cycles if your on for 8!
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    Is http://www.tongkatali.org/ a trust worthy site? They are giving 20% discounts if you deposit the payment directly into their bank accounts. ANyone with experience with them? Their prices seem high too.
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    I have bought tongkat ali from a local chinese herbal store before. And yes it worked wonders for me. Libido went through the roof and I noticed I was leaner after a few weeks of use on the same diet and exercise.
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    Originally Posted by jamesyong View Post
    Is http://www.tongkatali.org/ a trust worthy site? They are giving 20% discounts if you deposit the payment directly into their bank accounts. ANyone with experience with them? Their prices seem high too.
    Didn't do anything for me. I tried their 1:50 extract for 2 straight months. Some good money down the drain for me.
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    Originally Posted by jamesyong View Post
    I have bought tongkat ali from a local chinese herbal store before. And yes it worked wonders for me. Libido went through the roof and I noticed I was leaner after a few weeks of use on the same diet and exercise.
    Which store did you buy it from? I am in Singapore and I can't seem to get good quality stuff at a reasonable price even here, despite being neighbours with Malaysia.
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