what do you think of my diet???

[shaun_bayarea]

i'm starting to cut up right now here's my diet i'll be doing tell me what you think


6:00 AM- SHAKE(which consists of)
1 bananna
1 tbsp flax oil
2 cups milk
2 scoops protein powder
10 grams glutamine

8:00 AM- (post workout)
2 scoops protein powder
75 grams dextrose
10 grams glutamine

11:00 AM-
2 sliced whole wheat bread
chicken(40g protein)

2:00 PM-
2 scoops protein powder
1 tbsp flax oil
apple

5:00 PM-
chicken(40g protein)
2 slices whole wheat bread
2 tbsp peanut butter

8:00 PM-
chicken(40g protein)
salad
2 tbsp peanut butter

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so thats the diet...it has 2800 cals,60 grams of fat,300 grams of carbs and 260 grams of protein. i'm starting out at high carbs and it will drop down gradually to about 100-150 grams and once it's that low i will throw in higher carb days to keep my metabolism higher...i will be going from 2800 to about 2300 at the end of the 12 weeks, i'm 18 6'2" 260 lbs and about 18-20 % bodyfat...i figure i will get down to about 230 cut...thanks in advance for any responses

[ugotme]

You might not want to mix so much fat with your high carb meals. If theres any modifying I would say have some meals strictly protein/fat, and carb/protein, its its gonna be all three then keep the fats as low as possible.

[PODNickerz]

You actually eat a whole chicken?

[PODNickerz]

Also may i know how old you are? i'm just compiling a list of peoples diets to compare them ;D

[shaun_bayarea]

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[tygersol]

might want to get your maitenence level for calories checked then evaluate your diet. Maybe you might want to try a keto diet i heard it has done wonders for lots of people. Cardio is a must and drink loads of water and keep carbs down before bedtime as you probably already know of

[shaun_bayarea]

Originally posted by ugotme
You might not want to mix so much fat with your high carb meals. If theres any modifying I would say have some meals strictly protein/fat, and carb/protein, its its gonna be all three then keep the fats as low as possible.

why shouldnt you have alot of fat in a high carb meal?...i'm not disputing it i just havent ever heard that

[WorldMuscle]

That fat will be stored as bodyfat becuase of the insulin response produced by the carbohydrates. THey will more readily be used for energy rather than the fat, which will be stored. You'll be gaining fat even quicker than from the protein you take with high carb meals.

[shaun_bayarea]

where would you suggest for me to put the extra fat i need to get in?....should i just add more to the meals that dont have many carbs?

[WorldMuscle]

drop the peanut butter and the banana. Drop 2 pieces of bread, and up your fat intake. Also supplement with virgin olive oil along with the flaxseed. Make sure you get at least 12 more tablespoons of a mixture of virgin olive oil and flax seed each day. So about 4 per meal or so. This will help you your calories and keep you lean and in a prime energy state for added workout intensity and growth.

[shaun_bayarea]

14 tablespoons is around 1400 cals plus the 260 grams of protein which is 1040 cals so thats 2440 just for fat and protein, that only leaves me with 100 grams of carbs....now thats what i'll probably end up taking in b the end of my cutting cycle but dont you think i should start out at higher carbs and gradually drop them over the next 12 weeks?....plus if i'm only taking in 100 grams and 75 of them are after my workout thats only 25 grams for the whole day

[shaun_bayarea]

oh and also if i had 4 tbsp at each meal then wouldnt i be having fat with carbs at the meals with carbs anyway?

[Plumpy]

The Cyclical Ketogenic Diet: True Fat Loss

In recent media, low carbohydrate diets have been THE fad for almost everybody in America wanting to lose weight. From your secretaries, elementary school teachers, and desk clerks, to bodybuilders, models, actresses, and athletes.

However, there is a huge difference between those who follow an Atkins plan and those who follow a cyclical ketogenic diet (CKD). Atkins is a low carb plan for those who are quite sedentary, walk maybe 3 times a week at the most, and just follow normal everyday activities. So forget Atkins here. The CKD is for those who’s main concern is true fat loss and muscle preservation—muscle for sports and high intensity activities.

My opinion for those who practice Atkins is that while they do lose fat, there is much water loss and most importantly muscle loss. Something we athletes do not want. A CKD is a true fat loss diet that works undeniably, if followed properly and strictly. Yes, low carb diets can be hell at first, but after two to three weeks, there have been anecdotal reports from many dieters that the cravings for carbohydrates decrease. This route to fat burning is unlike any traditional diet all the low-fat diet authors and FDA people have been advocating in history.

I got turned onto this diet a few years back when I got tired of cutting fat and still not being able to lose those last percentage points of bodyfat without losing hard earned muscle. I would start a low-fat diet, and be a either a social misfit (not going out with my friends to party or not going out to eat). Or in the worse case, feel so deprived of delicious junk foods I missed and bail out on the diet all together. One advantage to this diet is that there is no true restrictions on food. One may eat anything labeled a "food"! Well, almost. I’ll explain later.

How the diet works.

The science behind the CKD is simple. Carbohydrates in the diet cause an insulin (a "storage" hormone) output in the pancreas. It is used to store glycogen, amino acids into muscles, while causing excess calories to be stored as fat. So common sense asks me, "How can one try to break down fat, when your body is in a storage-type mode?" Difficult to do, indeed. That is why it makes perfect sense for step one to be cutting carbs.

The next thing that happens in your body is the rise in catecholamines (a "fat mobilizing" hormone), cortisol (a "breakdown" hormone), and growth hormone. Now your body realizes there’s no more carbs to burn for energy, so it must find another energy source: fat.

This usually happens during a metabolic condition called "ketosis." This is when your liver is out of glycogen and starts to produce ketones (by-products of fatty acids). You can check your status of whether or not you are in ketosis with urinalysis strips you can pick up at any local drug store called "Ketostix." Just urinate and see if it turns color. If so, you have ketones in the urine.

When the body is fed fat and protein, it will use dietary fat along with bodyfat for energy with protein going towards repair.

As a side note, there is another reason why this diet makes the most sense to use while keeping muscle. When one follows a high carbohydrate, low-fat, reduced-calorie diet, there’s a point when some bodyfat is burned, but when the body is still in a carbohydrate burning metabolism while trying to lose "weight," it will strip down precious body protein to convert to glucose for energy.

On the other hand, during fat metabolism, protein cannot be converted into free-fatty acids for energy. Although there is no scientific research done on this, there have been reports from followers that there truly is a "protein-sparing" effect. It makes sense doesn’t it? Where else would the body look for fat energy when all dietary fat is burned? Bodyfat.

Diet Requirements Mon. to Fri.

The phrase "working smarter, not harder" applies here more than any diet one has tried. One must fully understand what they must do in order to optimize their goal. To set a CKD up, one cannot just expect to cut all carbs in the diet, train hard, and lose fat! Although some have come up with variations to this plan, the one stated in this article, I have found, has worked for myself (it got me to 6% BF), and other clients I’ve trained to the leanest, hardest they’ve ever been.

First, to set up the diet, write down your lean mass weight. Not your total weight, dough boy. If you weigh 200, but have 20% bodyfat, your lean mass weight would be around 160 pounds. Multiply this by one, getting your grams of protein requirements for a day. Make sure you eat at least one gram of protein/pound of lean mass! This is important in recovery from workouts and enough nitrogen retention to keep muscle. Next, multiply by four, to get your protein calories. Here, it is 640.

The rest of your caloric requirements for the day should be fat. Here is the catch: you must eat fat to burn fat. There’s no way around it. There are many advantages to dietary fat on this diet: Feeling of fullness since fat digestion is slow (less hunger), tastes great, and lowers blood glucose levels (lowering insulin and allow all the fat burning hormones to do their job).

So how much fat? I always recommend starting out with a 500 calorie deficit from your maintenance calories. If you don’t know, it is usually 15 times body weight (full body weight here) depending on an individuals metabolic rate. So here, the example would need 3000 calories a day to maintain weight, and 2500 calories to begin fat loss.

2500 minus 640 (protein calories) is 1860 which works out to be around 206 fat grams a day. Now as you go deeper into the diet, and find the need to restrict calories more, you must cut fat calories, not protein.

The Weekend Carb Load

Since muscle glycogen is the main source of energy for anaerobic exercise such as weight training, we cannot simply deplete all stores while working out and not fill them back up. If that does happen, be rest-assured that the body WILL use protein for fuel then. But this won’t happen on the CKD.

Your one and a half days of "freedom" allow you to do two things: First, reward your carb cravings from the previous days, allowing you to enjoy pleasures like pizza, pasta, breads, etc. Second, eating these things are physiologically rewarding as insulin levels run high, storing amino acids and carbs, as glycogen, into the depleted muscle allowing you to be able to workout again the following week.

Your "carb-up" should begin Friday night and last until around midnight Saturday. Now the next important issue to address is how many carbs. Some lucky individuals find that they eat whatever they want for the 24-30 hour time interval and receive perfect glycogen compensation, while others rely on a better statistical number.

What has been recommended by other authors of the CKD is 10-12 grams of carbs per kilogram of lean mass. Again, time to do math. Our example had 160 pounds of lean mass, so divide that by the conversion factor of 2.2, and we get roughly 73 kg.

100 Grams of easily digested liquid carbs along with around half as many grams of carbs in protein (here 50) as a whey shake or something of that nature should be taken right after the last workout (which I will address in the workout section of the article) when insulin sensitivity will be at its greatest.

A few hours later this individual will start to spread the remaining 630 grams of carbs, along with the important number of 160 grams of protein (remember, keep this constant) during the remainder of the compensation period.

So what about dietary fat? I know you’re reminding yourself, "Didn’t this guy mention pizza?" Yes, I did. And here’s why. During the first 24-30 hours of carbing up, the body will use all dietary carbohydrates to refill glycogen, protein for rebuilding, and get this: fat for energy. Still?

Just like the previous five and a half days. Makes sense. When all the carbohydrates are being used for more important functions (muscle), what else is there to be used? However, you can’t just eat all the fat you want. Keep grams of fat intake below your body weight in kilograms. Again, here our example will keep is fat below 73 during the carb-fest.

By anecdotal reports, this should keep fat regain minimal to nil. Keeping fat intake extremely low has even caused some extra fat burning during the carb up!

As stated before, some dietary fat should be eaten to slow digestion and keep sugar levels stable. Whether it be saturated, unsaturated, or essential fats, is the dieter’s decision. All have nine calories per gram. (Note: there is a claim that essential fatty acids such as flax seed oil increase insulin sensitivity within the muscle cells, in turn, increasing glycogen intake.)

In Case You Missed It

So here’s how it breaks down during the week: Sunday through Friday afternoon , you will follow the low carb diet outlined above. Eat fat and protein all day everyday except on workout days because after workouts, you will need to consume strictly just protein—no fat or carbs.

Some have found to enjoy a protein shake afterwards because they are easily digested. Do whatever works for you. But fat is not logical since you want the protein to fuel the healing process as quickly as possible and fat will only slow it down.

Friday afternoon, around two hours before your last workout of the week, eat two to three pieces of fruit. This will get your body/liver ready to start the carb loading and give you some energy for that final, dreadful workout (trust me, during the first few weeks, you will not want to do that final workout, but you must). Then from Friday night until Saturday at midnight or until bed, eat those carbs!

[Plumpy]

CKD Workout

Now, the question is, how do we workout to optimize muscle preservation and keep our metabolism up while dieting? Before we get into that, one must realize that during any dieting scheme there is one thing that must be done, and one thing that must not be done.

First, you must keep training volume lower than your usual routine. Overtraining is probably the number one killer in motivation, it deprives sleep, and hinders fat loss.

Second, you must not fall into the myth of lighter weights with higher reps. You got your muscle by benching 240, and you have to bench 240 to keep that same muscle! Or at least around that area! Okay, now that we have that established, here’s what we do:

On Monday and Tuesday we will work our weaker body parts, rest or cardio on Wednesday and Thursday mornings, Thursday do our strongest body parts, and Friday a combination of the Monday/Tuesday workouts in a loop format. The workout I have found to work optimally for myself and my clients is this:

(Note: You may feel free to tweak, shake, and turn this example upside down.

Everybody is different, so find what works for you.)
MONDAY: Chest, Back, Abs

High intensity workouts with 60 sec rest between sets, 90 sec rest between each exercise

(this excludes all warm up sets)

Bench 3 sets, 6-10 reps

T-bar Row 3 sets, 6-10 reps

Incline bench 3 sets, 6-10 reps

Latpulldown to front 3 sets, 6-10 reps

Dips or Decline bench 3 sets, 6-10 reps

Shrugs 3 sets, 6-10 reps

Flys (any type) 2 sets, 10-12 reps

Reverse flys 2 sets, 10-12 reps

Stiff-leg deadlift 3 sets, 10-12 reps

Rope ab crunch 3 sets, 10-15 reps

Reverse crunch 3 sets, 10-20 reps

TUESDAY: Shoulders, Arms

Same intensity mentioned before

Behind the neck shoulder press 3 sets, 8-10 reps

Military press 3 sets, 8-10 reps

Preacher curls 3 sets, 8-10 reps

French press or "skull-crushers" 3 sets, 8-10 reps

Shoulder raises (any type) 2 sets, 8-10 reps

Hammers 3 sets, 8-10 reps

V-bar tricep press 3 sets, 8-10 reps

Forearm curls 2 sets, 8-10 reps

Reverse forearm curls 2 sets, 8-10 reps

Wednesday: Rest or Cardio

Thursday morning: Rest or Cardio

Later on Thursday: Legs

Same intensity mentioned before

Squat or Leg press 4 sets, 6-10 reps

Lying leg curl 4 sets, 6-10 reps

Standing calf raise 4 sets 6-10 reps

Leg extensions 4 sets, 10-12 reps

Seated leg curl 4 sets, 10-12 reps

Seated calf raise 4 sets, 10-12 reps

Friday night: Final Workout

Same intensity mentioned before

Bench 2 sets, 6-10 reps

T-bar Row 2 sets, 6-10 reps

Incline bench 2 sets, 6-10 reps

Latpulldown to front 2 sets, 6-10 reps

Behind the neck shoulder press 1 set, 8-10 reps

Military press 1 set, 8-10 reps

Either curl exercise 2 sets, 8-10 reps

Either tricep exercise 2 sets, 8-10 reps

Stiffleg deadift 1 set, 8-10 reps

Normal floor ab crunch 2 sets, 10-20 reps

Reverse crunches 2 sets, 10-20 reps

Start the carb up for 24-30 hours!


Aerobics

Before we go on, I want to address the cardio/aerobics issue. Some people find that for the first month on a CKD, cardio/aerobics is not needed. However when fat loss does start to slow down a bit, that is when most start adding 30 min. sessions on their off days. Be careful though, you do not want to hinder your Thursday leg workout. So experiment and try to only add aerobic sessions if you feel you have to.

Supplements

So we have the basic diet outline stated, the workout, now what about supplements? Things that can extremely optimize this diet regime. Well, I have to admit no allegiance to any supplement company on this one: Water. Water is important on any diet, especially low carb since there is a diuretic effect, and more importantly during the carbing period. Glycogen is stored with water! You need as much water as possible to hydrate the depleted muscle. Trust me, you will feel a huge "pump" on Sunday morning from all the stored carbs and water INSIDE your muscle.

Speaking of muscle, the god of all sports supplement right now: Creatine. It can still be used on a low carb diet. Usually 10 grams a day during the low carb days, and around 20-30 grams during the carbing period should work for most everybody. I highly recommend it for everybody who doesn’t get an upset stomach using it.

Finally, one that everyone that’s dieted before knows about: The ECA stack. Most have not used pure ECA, but mainly herbal extracts in thermogenic products sold by sports supplement companies. For a pre-work out boost and increased fat burning through thermogenics (heat), this is my favorite supplement. It does its job, you feel it happening, and it can help you psychologically when you don’t feel like working out that day.

Conclusion

With all this said, I will throw my personal opinion, thanks and motivation on or for the cyclical ketogenic diet. First of all, to me, it is the greatest diet every developed. It makes sense, works and isn’t as hard to follow as one might think. Just stay motivated and concentrate on your goal.

When you have a craving during the week for that cupcake or pasta, just go eat a delicious serving of some pepperoni and melted mozzarella cheese. Or how about a hamburger patty covered in cheddar cheese and some strips of bacon? Foods that are delicious and that can satiate hunger.

I followed this exact plan this past summer for eight weeks and loss 18 pounds of fat without any loss in muscle. It was the leanest and most vascular I had ever seen myself.

And I must give thanks where thanks are due since I did not come up with this diet. Dan Duchaine, who recently passed away, brought my attention to a CKD with his book BodyOpus and Lyle McDonald has done deep research and wrote his book The Ketogenic Diet: A Complete Guide for the Dieter and Practitioner.

This diet can be for you. Oh you’re only a mass builder? Well, lower bodyfat percentages even make you look bigger! Give it some thought and decide. Then achieve your goal. It’s worth it: A diet with true fat loss.

COMPLIMENTS OF KAKDIESEL FROM ELITE


HOPE THIS HELPS OUT ALL YOU BRO'S WITH ENDLESS AMOUNTS OF QUESTOINS! PEACE!

[shaun_bayarea]

i dont know if thats pasted of if you typed that out but if you did then thanks....i apreciate you taking time to reply....as i said before what your basically explaining to me is exactly what i did for 3-4 weeks and i seriously feel like i would die for every single awful day....i know people who this diet works great for and i'm sure it's worked wonders for you but i cant cut up if i cant even go to the gym because i feel so sick

[shaun_bayarea]

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[shaun_bayarea]

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[Westside67]

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Diet looks quite ugly mate

[getbigordie18]

i'm starting to cut up right now here's my diet i'll be doing tell me what you think


6:00 AM- SHAKE(which consists of)
1 bananna
1 tbsp flax oil
2 cups milk
2 scoops protein powder
10 grams glutamine

8:00 AM- (post workout)
2 scoops protein powder
75 grams dextrose
10 grams glutamine

11:00 AM-
2 sliced whole wheat bread
chicken(40g protein)

2:00 PM-
2 scoops protein powder
1 tbsp flax oil
apple

5:00 PM-
chicken(40g protein)
2 slices whole wheat bread
2 tbsp peanut butter

8:00 PM-
chicken(40g protein)
salad
2 tbsp peanut butter

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so thats the diet...it has 2800 cals,60 grams of fat,300 grams of carbs and 260 grams of protein. i'm starting out at high carbs and it will drop down gradually to about 100-150 grams and once it's that low i will throw in higher carb days to keep my metabolism higher...i will be going from 2800 to about 2300 at the end of the 12 weeks, i'm 18 6'2" 260 lbs and about 18-20 % bodyfat...i figure i will get down to about 230 cut...thanks in advance for any responses

too high in protein lol good luck tho ehh just realize you eventually will loose muscle mass reguardless. Good luck though. i would personally start at 240 protein then raise to 280 as u end ur cut. good luck however.

[Bigdumogre]

too high in protein lol good luck tho ehh just realize you eventually will loose muscle mass reguardless. Good luck though. i would personally start at 240 protein then raise to 280 as u end ur cut. good luck however.

Op is 31 now
Hope he figured it out by now

[getbigordie18]

Op is 31 now
Hope he figured it out by now

I guess lol just sounds like a lot i like to keep protein .8-1 per lb of bw its not that its too much its just i feel not optimal lol.

[Westside67]

Op is 31 now
Hope he figured it out by now

OP is probably not even lifting anymore, with a diet that brosephy.

[getbigordie18]

OP is probably not even lifting anymore, with a diet that brosephy.

iifym vs clean eating it doesn't matter lol tbh just realize the body composition food pyramid lol

[Westside67]

Trenbologna Pyramid?

[PaleHorseDX]

fruit and vegetables not even once