Protein Factory Fails Label Claim test

[cxm]

I am waiting too...how about everyboady rep me so I can give him the biggest trip into redland ever seen in the history of bb.com?

Have you heard of dito?

[exfatman]

Have you heard of dito?

You mean the guy everybody loves? Never heard of him

[cxm]

You mean the guy everybody loves? Never heard of him

Well have you heard of the "evil alliance"? There are rumors about this group sometimes I cant sleep, Im so scared!

[exfatman]

Well have you heard of the "evil alliance"? There are rumors about this group sometimes I cant sleep, Im so scared!

Ah the evil alliance...at our first meeting (held in a secret place at a secret time) we will discuss our plans on taking over a secret company

PS...don't ask where or when the meeting is cause it's a secret

[david4zero8]

Everyone's waiting for that 40 to hit. Then BAM, all he'll see is red.

[dwm230000]

[bballstar]

This is getting old guys.

[david4zero8]

This is getting old guys.

Feel free to skip this thread then.

[NightTrain]

I always said if you dont like a company,then dont buy their products! simple as that!

[dito]

Nothing wrong with informing everyone else is there?

[crazyjoedivola]

and I've always said if you don't like a thread, then you dont have to post in it, or even view it. simple as that!

[dwm230000]

Ok, I am going to once and for all prove that Alex (HormoneMan/NonCon/etc.) Rogers is in fact the current owner of both Protein Factory and Roger's Pet Feed and Supply, and they are both run out of the same location.

PF is owned by Alex Rogers. (Sawboy2@aol.com) This is the owner listed at NetworkSolutions.com as the owner of the website, and is also listed on pf.com itself. This is not disputed.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...1&d=1134704615

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...1&d=1134704723

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...7&postcount=40

Again, the listed contact information at both pf.com and at Netsol is:
Rogers Jr., Alex
sawboy2@AOL.COM
991 Cedar Bridge Avenue
Brick, NJ 08723
Phone: (732) 920-2188

Yellow Pages listing for Roger's Pet Supplies & Feed
http://yellowpages.superpages.com/li...search=Find+It

Same address, same PHONE NUMBER as the contact number listed for the website, pf.com

pet territory, an ACTIVE Pet Supply business currently being run by Alex Rogers. Again, same address.
http://petterritory.com/contact_us.php

A posting, by ALEX ROGERS (SAWBOY2) HIMSELF ACKNOWLEDGING THAT HE OWNS THE PET STORE. This posting was made June 5th of THIS YEAR.

http://www.indulgeyourpet.com/boards...pic.php?p=1344

A Classified Ad, placed by ALEX, on June 15th, 2005, again advertising the pet store.
http://www.mypetspages.com/classifie...?cat=64&de=150

And finally, just so you know that he mixes all of that powder himself, here is a posting again by Alex himself looking to purchase a powder mixing machine. I especially like that he doesn't care if the machine is new, or used. Comforting that the machine he mixes the powder in could have been used for anything else in the past. I'm sure that's sanitary.

http://www.powderandbulk.com/cgi-bin...num=1081182215

There you have clear and definitive proof that Alex runs both websites from the same location. Could there be another location where the items are stored and possibly mixed separately? Doubtful, but if there were the burden of proof would be on him to prove that there is. Being as how he continuously and BLATANTLY LIES ABOUT EVEN OWNING BOTH SITES, why should anyone trust anything he says?

I hope this lays the issue to rest. He is a liar. He has been caught lying numerous times, and yet he expects people to ignore the facts.

Flagg

For the last time. THERE IS NO AFFILATION WITH PROTEIN FACTORY AND ANY PET STORE.

If you are so obsessed with telling "the truth," then why lie about something so trivial?

[dwm230000]

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[dito]

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[DejaBlue55]

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Beautiful.

[cxm]

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coupe de grace

[dwm230000]

Time for a bump for those new to the board.

^^^^agreed

[HORMONEMAN]

^^^^agreed

Well, yeah --except that I provide information and you provide lies.

I understand. Protein Factory is competition you can't deal with. Lies are all you have.

[dwm230000]

Well, yeah --except that I provide information and you provide lies.

I understand. Protein Factory is competition you can't deal with. Lies are all you have.

Wrong. You provide lies and then sometimes the courts have to figure out the truth. Sometimes we just have to call you out on them.

Protein Factory vs *************


Industry News: Lawsuit seeking to stop industry vigilante abandoned after early court decision--Protein Factory sues ******** and Protein Customizer and dismisses its claims after Court denies Injunction.




BACKGROUND


On January 16, 2003, the Protein Factory filed a lawsuit in New Jersey federal court against ************* and its owner, Michael McCandless, and ProteinCustomizer.com and its owner David Rosland.




The lawsuit sought to temporarily and permanently enjoin ********’s practice of testing label claims of various dietary supplements calling it “unsubstantiated, unreliable and unscientific test results and false, deceptive, misleading and unsubstantiated comparative advertising” and sought monetary relief from ********, Protein Customizer, and their individual owners because “Protein Factory has suffered and will continue to suffer damage to its business, reputation and good will and the loss of sales and profits”.




THE FACTS


For those of you living under a rock, and too lazy to read Protein Factory’s complaint, in September of 2002, ********, a preeminent internet retailer that is also notorious for testing various products from a variety of manufacturers, paid for testing of a Protein Factory product at an independent lab. That product was sent to ******** directly from a Protein Factory customer, and ******** forwarded it along to the lab.

The test came out worse than Protein Factory would have liked, but the pages have since been removed after negotiations between the two companies. Discussions were had on the boards, and Protein Factory alleges that its business suffered.

Similarly, in December of 2002, ******** then tested 11 products of Protein Factory, again from a single Protein Factory customer. Once again, the product was sent to ******** who passed them along to an independent lab. Of the 11, nine came out fine and two were off.




Again discussions were had on the boards, and again Protein Factory alleged loss of business.

The heart of Protein Factory’s case is the allegations against ******** (and originally Protein Customizer as well) of false comparative advertising. Protein Factory claimed that the testing process was so poor, that its products were either intentionally tampered with or were handled so recklessly, as to be invalid. Protein Factory further alleged that the intent was to take business away. Essentially, Protein Factory argued that there was no proof that the products were not tampered with. Protein Factory even hired an expert witness who advised the Court of the alleged inappropriate testing behavior.

Needless to say, the two customers of Protein Factory involved stepped up to the plate and swore under oath that they forwarded untampered Protein Factory product.



THE ALLEGATIONS


Protein Factory based its lawsuit on two principle allegations. First, it claimed that ********’s practice of testing label claim’s was unlawful because it was “reckless, irresponsible, completely unscientific and devoid of any quality control and are inherently false, misleading and deceptive.” Second, Protein Factory alleged that the unlawful testing was the result of an illegal conspiracy between ******** and Protein Customizer, a bulk protein wholesaler that sells directly to the customer custom blended proteins, to steal business from Protein Factory.

The lawsuit showed its first sign of weakness when Protein Factory, apparently realizing that no relationship existed between the defendants, voluntarily agreed to dismiss Protein Customizer from the lawsuit, and concede the conspiracy charges, shortly after after serving the complaint and indeed before Protein Customizer filed its responsive pleadings.

The case proceeded as Protein Factory insisted on pursuing the lawsuit against ******** and Mike McCandless personally.



THE HEARING AND DISMISSAL


Because Protein Factory sought a preliminary injunction, that was the first order of business. At the direction of the Court, the parties filed their motion papers and the Court held a hearing on the issue of whether (1) ******** should be enjoined from performing further label tests, (2) ******** must remove all posts and links to the alleged unlawful test results, and (3) the Court should require ******** to post a retraction statement.





After reviewing the papers and hearing oral argument the Court denied all of Protein Factory’s requests on the spot.




Apparently seeing the writing on the wall, Protein Factory shortly thereafter agreed to voluntarily dismiss the action, resulting in a resounding victory by ******** and Mr. McCandless.

As a result, our readers, and supplement consumers at large can rest assured that ******** will still be doing his best to clean up products whose contents to not match their label contents, and assuring our readers, and his customers that they in fact are getting what they pay for.

One thing has come out of this: ******** has tightened up his testing practices. Now, all products are shipped directly from the manufacturer, or its retailer, to the testing lab in a brand new container. This change is not a result of poor previous practices, but provides greater assurance that a company whose product does not match its label is less likely to concoct a lawsuit, according to Mr. McCandless. When asked to elaborate, he responded: “Getting sued sucks.”

[david4zero8]

Well, yeah --except that I provide information and you provide lies.

I understand. Protein Factory is competition you can't deal with. Lies are all you have.

So that's twice that you said you wouldnt post on here anymore, and twice you have went back on your word. Nice.

Hormoneman- Worst rep on bb.com. He sure makes PF look great.

[dwm230000]

So that's twice that you said you wouldnt post on here anymore, and twice you have went back on your word. Nice.

Hormoneman- Worst rep on bb.com. He sure makes PF look great.

Two more examples of outright lies by him.

[exfatman]

Well, yeah --except that I provide information and you provide lies.

I understand. Protein Factory is competition you can't deal with. Lies are all you have.

What lies has he told. I think DWM is an idiot at times but what lies? A post of a legal document is a lie? I really wish you took the free advice I gave you before. There is still time you know...

[exfatman]

<img src="http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=166116&d=1107798651".>

Ronnie with his newly purchased PF housebrand 100% Whey

[Flagg3]

Bump to the only thread that provides any sort of proof to back up it's claim. Hormoneman claims that PF surpasses label claims, but he offers no proof whatsoever. Because he fails to offer any proof whatsoever, I can safely say that There is as much proof that Protein Factory supplements contain rat feces as there is that they pass label claims.

If someone has any evidence to support either claim, please post it here.

Flagg

[exfatman]

Bump to the only thread that provides any sort of proof to back up it's claim. Hormoneman claims that PF surpasses label claims, but he offers no proof whatsoever. Because he fails to offer any proof whatsoever, I can safely say that There is as much proof that Protein Factory supplements contain rat feces as there is that they pass label claims.

If someone has any evidence to support either claim, please post it here.

Flagg

Looks to me like Ronnie enjoys PF

[Kledz]

There is as much proof that Protein Factory supplements contain rat feces as there is that they pass label claims.

please make that a thread

[exfatman]

please make that a thread

We already have a thread titled Protein Factory an Animal Feed store but unfortunately or the users of PF it is true

[exfatman]

get back on page one where you belong...

[Flagg3]

Bump to the only thread that provides any sort of proof to back up it's claim. Hormoneman claims that PF surpasses label claims, but he offers no proof whatsoever. Because he fails to offer any proof whatsoever, I can safely say that There is as much proof that Protein Factory supplements contain rat feces as there is that they pass label claims.

If someone has any evidence to support either claim, please post it here.

Flagg

[dwm230000]

Here goes:

PF has no affiliation with a pet food store. You can hound me all day about this but I really don't know what else to do to prove otherwise.

From: "Alex Rogers" <alex@**************.com>
To: *********
Date: Thursday - December 29, 2005 9:42 AM
Subject: RE: protein

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We are located in a 20,000 sq foot building, which my father owns.
App 12,000Sq is my father's pet supplies store, est in 1980. The rest
is the **************.com. We subdivided the shopping center back in
1998.

Each business has their own doors, walls, ect. Its not like there is
dog food stored next to protein. Once again, we are FDA inspected.

I feel that we are THE best place to buy protein in the world. We
supply the highest quality protein, carbs, and dietary fat to our
customers. This makes a lot of supplement companies very jealous.
Jealousy leads to anger, thus we get attacked by other companies quite
often. Most of the major supplement companies that have integrity,
Met-RX, optimum, EAS all recommend our company if one of their customers
needs a speciality protein. The smaller supplement companies that are
trying to survive and the ones that attack us.

The failing label claim dates back a couple years when a rip off company
of ours came along and tried to promote themselves as being better than
us. The company ripped off our idea of customized protein.

When sleazy companies have nothing better than us, the only way to
promote themselves is to bash other companies and try to make them look
bad. Thus they tried to post on message boards all over the internet
that we so-called failed the test. They so-called tested our products.
The products came from one of our customers that admitted he stored the
product in his sugar bowl.

We had to sue to protect our integrity, but the judge sided with the
scumbag company, stating that we couldn't prove that is was not the
proper way to test product.

But to make a long story short the sleaze ball company has since went
out of business. But I think it resurfaced again but without the same
owners.

here are the facts.

1) We are the original protein custom company and have been in business
since 1998.
2) We are the first company to introduce new proteins.
1)Micellar Casein
2)Super Plasma Protein
3) Iso-electric Protein
4) CFM whey isolate

3) We are still one of the only company's that is FDA approved. If a
supplement company is going to try to smear my company, let them back
themselves up by getting FDA approved and showing what kind of integrity
they have. If all they can do is say how bad we suck, then that doesn't
really prove anything about themselves. They just spend their time on
the message boards bashing other companies when all along they should be
spending time on improving their own company instead of spreading hate.

4)My company is backed the the manufacturers of the protein themselves.
If you call companies like Glanbia ect they will confirm we are a superb
company.

Sincerely,
Alex Rogers
President
**************.com/Theta Brothers Sports Nutrition Inc.
1-732-920-5710

A true man is never measured by his muscles, but his character,
the muscles are only a very good bonus

This proves that:

1. Hormoneman lied about PF not being affiliated with a pet food store. They are in the same building.

2. Pf's owner lied about the admittance to storing it in a sugar bowl and tried to use that as an explanation for the failed testing.

3. PF company and its owner are completely unproffesional in that the owner would send out an email like this calling other companies scumbags and other various names.