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    Bigger, stronger ... but at a terrible cost: Bodybuilder undergoes battery of surgeries to save life, legs


    2004-04-02 by Mike Archbold
    King County Journal


    A deep blue and red scar carves the skin on the outside of both of Travis Starkovich's legs, from his hips to his ankles.


    Orthopedic surgeons' scalpels have sliced them open again and again over the past five months to save his life and legs.


    The 22-year-old would-be bodybuilder has endured 15 operations on his legs in the past five months. There could be three or four more to come. He can stand and walk although he tires easily. Falling over can be a sudden and painful mishap.


    The good news is that he didn't lose his legs, but he knows he will never have full use of them again. His kidneys and liver also failed, but now are on the mend.


    What happened to Starkovich last fall might have overwhelmed a less strong-willed young man.


    He has endured because he is stubborn, he said, and now wants to bring a message to anyone who will listen, particularly young athletes and their parents about the dangers of creatine, a popular over-the-counter muscle-building supplement.


    ``I hope to tell my story as much as possible,'' he said last week sitting in the living room of his mother's home in Selleck, a small community east of Covington. ``If I save one life, I've done my job.''


    Training aimed at show

    Last summer, the Muckleshoot Casino security guard began seriously training as a bodybuilder. The Washington State Figure Fitness and Bodybuilding Championships were scheduled for Oct. 23 in Auburn and he aimed his training at the show. At the Auburn and Kent fitness centers where he trained, other bodybuilders took creatine and other supplements as well as steroids to obtain the finely sculpted bodies they sought. Everyone did it, he said. He got a personal trainer to help advise him on nutrition and supplements.


    Starkovich said he never took steroids and no one ever recommended he take creatine. But he remembered from high school when he took the creatine for a month, how much it helped develop his muscles and increase his performance at cross country running.


    Each morning and evening for three and half months leading up to the bodybuilding competition he took the recommended dose of 5 grams. A month's supply cost him about $50.


    He took other supplements like the other bodybuilders: glutamine, a thermogenic and a high protein shake.


    He trained hard: two hours each morning and then again in the evening. The regimen was working. At one point, the 5-foot 9-inch Starkovich weighed 215 pounds with 2 percent body fat. His biceps had grown by nearly three inches. When he flexed, the striations in his muscles where visible. He also was dieting hard to bring his weight down and further sculpt his body.


    Legs started cramping

    Then about a week before the competition, his urine suddenly turned very dark and his legs started cramping. He thought his electrolytes were screwed up. The urine cleared up.


    Then three days before the competition, his urine again turned black. He felt weak and tired. The cramping became worse. He went to Highline Community Hospital in Burien on a Thursday to find out what was wrong. No one knew, but they told him his creatine level was at 3,500; the normal level in a human body is 50 to 100. He came back for blood work the next day. His creatine level hit 9,000.


    ``It scared the hell out of me,'' he said. ``The cramping was like someone on each side of me hitting my legs with a sledge hammer.''


    On Saturday, he went by ambulance to Harborview Medical Center. He was in a fight for his life. He would stay at Harborview for 5 weeks.


    By then his legs were so cramped up, he was put on morphine. They began to swell. His heartbeat climbed to 120 and stayed there for a week. His kidney and liver began shutting down. ``I don't remember much the first two weeks,'' he said.


    The only way to find out what was wrong with his legs was to look inside. What they found, he said, was decaying muscle. ``After the fourth day they wanted to amputate both legs at the hip,'' he said. ``They were afraid the decay would spread to my lower intestines.''


    Cutting out dead muscle

    The surgeons began cutting out the dead muscle out of his legs. In its place, new bones began to grow. That, too, had to be cut out, he said.


    Even now a second femur bone lies close to the skin in his upper left leg. Rapping it with his knuckle, it sounds like a piece of hard wood. It has to come out. There are other bone growths, too. One almost poked through his skin before it was removed.


    What caused all the problems?

    ``The doctors (at Harborview) told me it was the creatine,'' he said. ``My body wouldn't process it.'' It ended up poisoning him.


    The process was quiet and insidious. ``It came on so quickly, I had no idea what was going on,'' he said. ``If it can happen to me it can happen to anyone.''


    That's why he wants to warn people about the dangers of supplements, especially creatine that can be taken like candy without a doctor's guidance.


    ``Those taking the stuff right now they may be fine but in three years or 10 years, they will have problems,'' he said. ``Most of your teenage guys don't know the physiology of how the body works, how creatine works and protein works in the body.''


    Danger to young athletes?

    Like many creatine users, he heard about it at the gym. The nutrition stores that sell it issues warnings, he said.


    ``I know high school athletes are taking it.'' he added. He said his doctors at Harborview want him to talk to the University of Washington Sports Medicine Clinic about his case and the consequences of his creatine use.


    What happened to him may not happen to everyone. But Starkovich is convinced that creatine use will lead to physical problems later on.


    In a Journal report last summer on teenage athletes and use of supplements, most Eastside coaches said they don't endorse players' use of creatine.


    One athlete said he and his teammates don't take creatine simply because there are too many things they don't know about its side effects.


    There are no long-term studies on creatine but there have been complaints about dehydration, cramping and nausea as well as kidney problems.


    Starkovich's case is rare but no one disputes the possibility of damage to the body from the use of creatine and other supplements.


    He can stand and walk now though he tires easily. He can't fully bend his legs. New bone growth has locked his knees. He still doesn't know yet how much use of his leg he will have in the future.


    Praise for Haborview staff

    He praised the Harborview physicians and staff who never gave up on him. His employer has also been supportive, extending his health insurance to cover the cost of his medical care that already is near $500,000. He also thanks God and the prayers offered up by fellow Mormons for his ongoing recovery. His plan once his operations are over is to begin a nursing course at Green River Community College this fall, even if he has to do it in a wheelchair.


    And he will continue to speak out about creatine to whomever will listen.


    Starkovich's struggle is far from over but he said it is getting better. ``You have good days and bad days,'' he said.

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    The sad part is that one scary story will shake people more than the thousands of stories from those of us who have NEVER had a problem with creatine. I cannot help but wonder if the reporter left something out.
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    so, who wants to go and buy some creatine woo

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    Sounds like an isolated incident...but still.

    Thats why I will never take anything but vitamins and protein. You never know what can happen.

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    Question

    Maybe all of you who have been using it safely for some time should get a blood test

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    Link to the story? Im calling bull****... Why am i? Well if anyone knows anything about the human body take a look at this... "The surgeons began cutting out the dead muscle out of his legs. In its place, new bones began to grow. That, too, had to be cut out, he said"

    Now the last time i check we dont just grow bones. Seriously try it for yourself cut of your leg and tell me if it grows back.

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    Originally Posted by kliplemet
    At the Auburn and Kent fitness centers where he trained, other bodybuilders took creatine and other supplements as well as steroids to obtain the finely sculpted bodies they sought. Everyone did it, he said. He got a personal trainer to help advise him on nutrition and supplements.

    Starkovich said he never took steroids and no one ever recommended he take creatine.
    Uh-huh...sure he didn't. And NO ONE would EVER tell someone training to be a competitive bodybuilder to use creatine. <sarcasm>

    Of course I think his condition is terribly regrettable and something that no one should ever have to go through. But to think that it's just the creatine is just, well...

    In addition, reading the article above, he was taking 10G a day every day...basically, he was on a constant loading phase. No wonder his body wouldn't process it.
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    50 dollars for 300g's of creatine?
    And I'm sure having 2 percent body fat didn't help his organs.

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    here is the link:

    http://www.ergogenics.org/71.html
    lol, you didn't think I wrote that myself, did you?

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    Originally Posted by Xtreme04
    Link to the story? Im calling bull****... Why am i? Well if anyone knows anything about the human body take a look at this... "The surgeons began cutting out the dead muscle out of his legs. In its place, new bones began to grow. That, too, had to be cut out, he said"

    Now the last time i check we dont just grow bones. Seriously try it for yourself cut of your leg and tell me if it grows back.
    Exactly!!!
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    Originally Posted by kliplemet
    http://www.ergogenics.org/71.html
    lol, you didn't think I wrote that myself, did you?
    Only if you spoke Dutch.
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    Originally Posted by cowboyathlete
    Only if you spoke Dutch.
    I do speak Dutch actually, but it is in English, isn't it?

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    how the fuq can creatine cause u to grow a second leg bone? lol

    prolly on 5000 IUs of growth hormone a day or something lol

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    Lol

    Originally Posted by Xtreme04
    Link to the story? Im calling bull****... Why am i? Well if anyone knows anything about the human body take a look at this... "The surgeons began cutting out the dead muscle out of his legs. In its place, new bones began to grow. That, too, had to be cut out, he said"

    Now the last time i check we dont just grow bones. Seriously try it for yourself cut of your leg and tell me if it grows back.

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    Not only is the bone comment alone make me realize the story is FOS, but it makes no mention from what I can see about fluid intake.
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    Thumbs down

    it could have been the creatine or the reported "2 percent body fat" for his comp, just a guess
    dont ask for a light load, rather a strong back.

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    The guy was simply a jerk :

    -first he uses 10g of creatien epr day which is like what was said above stupid as he was on a constant loading phase.
    -second he overtrained like a dummy by training 2 hours every morning and evening going way over what the body can handle and going into a serious overtraining phase .TO me he had to use roids or something to get pass that overtraining...
    -he had a 2% bodyfat which is way too dangerous!

    To me this guy deserved it or this sotry is just simple BS!!!

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    how do you know it's bs? imagine how terrible this is

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    if it is a true story, bones= hgh?

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    Originally Posted by HopeForever
    if it is a true story, bones= hgh?
    ahaha
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    Cool

    don't forget long term side effects of creatine are still unknown, so don't immediatly believe this is bs

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    you can find isolated incidences with freakish side effects with just about every drug out there, and often it's the synergy between the drugs that leads to terrible consquences. however, creatine is one of the most wide spread and most popular supplements, we don't know for sure the long term effect. my condolences go to him and his family.

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    Originally Posted by kliplemet
    don't forget long term side effects of creatine are still unknown, so don't immediatly believe this is bs
    "The surgeons began cutting out the dead muscle out of his legs. In its place, new bones began to grow. That, too, had to be cut out, he said.

    Even now a second femur bone lies close to the skin in his upper left leg. Rapping it with his knuckle, it sounds like a piece of hard wood. It has to come out. There are other bone growths, too. One almost poked through his skin before it was removed."

    Don't tell me you actually believe this. ROTFLMAO
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    Remember a couple years ago when those 3 high school wrestlers died in Florida? They put on rubber suits and sat in a sauna for hours to lose weight, and when they died the media blamed their deaths on creatine. I suspect that this guy was jacked up on who knows what, which caused his problems. Also remember that while no "long term" creatine studies have been conducted, they have been running like crazy for the last 7 or 8 years, with no serious health problems reported. Finally, with what modern science knows about creatine and the human body, these kind of effects do not correspond with creatine supplementation to any extent. This is some ignorant media BS for sure.
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    Whats funny? Sorry I dont know alot about hgh, ive just heard ot elongates bones..
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    As a matter of fact, why not blame this guy's condition on glutamine??

    This pisses me off.
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    Just click the link and look at where he found the article.

    some crap website probably with an agenda.

    until I hear from a legit American website I say BS.

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    Exclamation

    You know what else just occurred to me. If they are trying to blame this on creatine, why is it only his LEGS that are affected? Why not his arms or anywhere else in his body? Explain that.
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    Originally Posted by mavsman
    Just click the link and look at where he found the article.

    some crap website probably with an agenda.

    until I hear from a legit American website I say BS.
    that's one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read on these boards.

    the website is very objective and is fascinated by sport supplements, legal and illegal

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