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    Arachidonic Acid Rich Foods

    Inspired by another thread, I conducted a search to find the foods most rich in arachidonic acid(and near zero in omega 3s). This is what I have found:
    Chicken Heart 43 mg per heart
    Chicken Giblets, 132mg per 28 grams
    Beef pancreas, 226mg per 28 grams
    Beef brain, 1756 mg per 391 grams
    Beef Kidneys, 64,4 mg per 28 grams
    Pork Pancreas, 121mg per 28 grams
    Pork Heart, 76,3 mg per 28 grams
    Lamb liver, 2898mg per 322 grams


    Egg yolk doesn'e seem to be a good source, since it contains per 1/2 lb 967mg of arachidonica acid but also 284mg of DHA.

    There are two useful conclusions coming from these:
    1)Somebody could match the arachidonic acid content of X-Factor with one good meal of liver per day.
    2)The effectiveness of dessicated liver products could be attributed to their high arachidonic acid content. Finally, the mystery solved!

    I hope I'll be able to do the liver experiment soon.
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    Isn't AA just an omega-6? Couldn't you just take a couple tsp of vegetable oil.
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    Originally Posted by Bane
    Inspired by another thread, I conducted a search to find the foods most rich in arachidonic acid(and near zero in omega 3s). This is what I have found:
    Chicken Heart 43 mg per heart
    Chicken Giblets, 132mg per 28 grams
    Beef pancreas, 226mg per 28 grams
    Beef brain, 1756 mg per 391 grams
    Beef Kidneys, 64,4 mg per 28 grams
    Pork Pancreas, 121mg per 28 grams
    Pork Heart, 76,3 mg per 28 grams
    Lamb liver, 2898mg per 322 grams


    Egg yolk doesn'e seem to be a good source, since it contains per 1/2 lb 967mg of arachidonica acid but also 284mg of DHA.

    There are two useful conclusions coming from these:
    1)Somebody could match the arachidonic acid content of X-Factor with one good meal of liver per day.
    2)The effectiveness of dessicated liver products could be attributed to their high arachidonic acid content. Finally, the mystery solved!

    I hope I'll be able to do the liver experiment soon.
    The question is, how much AA is in dessicated liver? With all the fat removed, I have to wonder.

    But good post man. I think I'll stick with X-Factor for now. Eating animal organs isn't my idea of a good meal. Especially having to eat it everyday.
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    Originally Posted by W8isGR8
    Isn't AA just an omega-6? Couldn't you just take a couple tsp of vegetable oil.
    Nope. It is only present in worthy amounts in animal products. And even then in rather small amounts. In case you haven't heard, it is the active ingredient in X-Factor... the best supplement ever!!!!
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    Originally Posted by Aeternitatis
    Nope. It is only present in worthy amounts in animal products. And even then in rather small amounts. In case you haven't heard, it is the active ingredient in X-Factor... the best supplement ever!!!!
    So I've heard

    I just don't feel like shelling out $80 for some corn oil capsules.
    I don't know either lol
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    Originally Posted by W8isGR8
    So I've heard

    I just don't feel like shelling out $80 for some corn oil capsules.
    It's not corn oil. Damn, the idea to buy arachidonic acid from my phaurmaucetical stuff supplier occured me, then i found out that purified arachidonic acid is 50E/100mg.
    The important thing is the omega3/omega 6 balance. If you eat liver and then eat fish, practically they cancel each other out.
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    Originally Posted by Aeternitatis
    The question is, how much AA is in dessicated liver? With all the fat removed, I have to wonder.

    But good post man. I think I'll stick with X-Factor for now. Eating animal organs isn't my idea of a good meal. Especially having to eat it everyday.
    Not all dessicated liver is also deffated. For example my NOW liver is not. Just checked the label, 4 kcal out of 15 per serving are from fat
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    hmm interesting. so X factor is generally a kind of omega oil?
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    hmm interesting. so X factor is generally a kind of omega oil?
    where did you get that idea from?!
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    Originally Posted by Bane
    Inspired by another thread, I conducted a search to find the foods most rich in arachidonic acid(and near zero in omega 3s). This is what I have found:
    Chicken Heart 43 mg per heart
    Chicken Giblets, 132mg per 28 grams
    Beef pancreas, 226mg per 28 grams
    Beef brain, 1756 mg per 391 grams
    Beef Kidneys, 64,4 mg per 28 grams
    Pork Pancreas, 121mg per 28 grams
    Pork Heart, 76,3 mg per 28 grams
    Lamb liver, 2898mg per 322 grams


    Egg yolk doesn'e seem to be a good source, since it contains per 1/2 lb 967mg of arachidonica acid but also 284mg of DHA.

    There are two useful conclusions coming from these:
    1)Somebody could match the arachidonic acid content of X-Factor with one good meal of liver per day.
    2)The effectiveness of dessicated liver products could be attributed to their high arachidonic acid content. Finally, the mystery solved!

    I hope I'll be able to do the liver experiment soon.

    okay, out of that list only the lamb liver seems to be barely eatable... Everything else is horrendous...

    is that cooked or uncooked lamb liver... btw, some high cholesterol content in lamb liver, which could be bad..
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    Originally Posted by W8isGR8
    Isn't AA just an omega-6? Couldn't you just take a couple tsp of vegetable oil.
    here u go mr aries. but maybe im wrong. i ve been doin alot research on AA these days and most site come up saying that AA is a polyunstaurted fatty acid. and its gd for infant growth? lol i can provide the links if u want. but the main thing is that if we can get AA from food sources like animal livers, what is the purpose of x factor

    http://www.vaxa.com/arachidonic-acid.cfm
    http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupple...tyAcidscs.html
    http://www.answers.com/topic/arachidonic-acid
    http://www.cvphysiology.com/Blood%20Flow/BF013.htm
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    Originally Posted by kingcarlos
    here u go mr aries. but maybe im wrong. i ve been doin alot research on AA these days and most site come up saying that AA is a polyunstaurted fatty acid. and its gd for infant growth? lol i can provide the links if u want. but the main thing is that if we can get AA from food sources like animal livers, what is the purpose of x factor

    http://www.vaxa.com/arachidonic-acid.cfm
    http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupple...tyAcidscs.html
    http://www.answers.com/topic/arachidonic-acid
    http://www.cvphysiology.com/Blood%20Flow/BF013.htm

    thanks.. i'll read up on it.. and for your last question.. I think the purpose of x factor is so that you don't have to put up with nasty ass animal parts that most people test their gag reflexes with when they wanna find out if they still got one... lol


    Think of X factor like a protein shake... WHat's the point of a protein shake when you can get all that protein from animal sources? Cuz it's more convenient and you do get tired of chewing 2lbs of meat everyday.
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    Originally Posted by Bane
    The important thing is the omega3/omega 6 balance. If you eat liver and then eat fish, practically they cancel each other out.
    This is very interesting.


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...71&query_hl=27

    Docosahexaenoic acid-enriched egg phospholipids supplementation induces accretion of arachidonic acid in rat blood lipids.

    Gleize B, Payet M, Esmail MH, Pieroni G, Coste TC.

    INSERM, U476, Faculte de Medecine Timone, 27 Boulevard Jean Moulin, INRA 1260, Universite Aix-Marseille, IPHM, 13385 Marseille, France.

    Animal and humans studies have shown that supplementation with triacylglycerides containing omega3 fatty acids, mainly docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) and eicosapentaenoic acid, can induce a decrease in arachidonic acid (AA) in blood lipids. Interestingly, we observed in a previous work that a supplementation with DHA enriched eggs in a healthy elderly population induced an accretion of AA in their blood lipids. The present study investigates whether purified DHA enriched egg phospholipids could be responsible for this effect. Four groups of rats were supplemented daily, for eight weeks, with DHA phospholipids (10, 30 or 60 mg/kg) or with soybean phospholipids. Red blood cell membranes and plasma fatty acid levels were compared with that of rats without supplementation. Soybean phospholipids supplementation increased the level of AA in blood lipids but decreased that of DHA. The doses of DHA phospholipids, 30 and 60 mg/kg, induced greater amounts of AA without affecting significantly DHA levels. In contrast, DHA phospholipids supplementation, 10 mg/kg, in which there was the greatest amount of AA, induced only a slight increase in AA levels. Moreover, DHA levels were decreased by this supplementation. These results demonstrate that specific increases in AA levels are preferentially associated with DHA phospholipids levels in supplementation.
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    thanks.. i'll read up on it.. and for your last question.. I think the purpose of x factor is so that you don't have to put up with nasty ass animal parts that most people test their gag reflexes with when they wanna find out if they still got one... lol


    Think of X factor like a protein shake... WHat's the point of a protein shake when you can get all that protein from animal sources? Cuz it's more convenient and you do get tired of chewing 2lbs of meat everyday.
    thanx alot man. bane is a great man. AA is a very interesting read and at least i get to noe the diff between omega 3 and omega 6 haha
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    lol. i wonder who. im asian so i ve no prob taking pork liver. butta to take it everyday? im not so sure
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    lol. i wonder who. im asian so i ve no prob taking pork liver. butta to take it everyday? im not so sure
    Both 3 livers(beef, lamb,pork) will work. And liver is a wonderful,nutrient rich meal. Just replace one of your 5 meals with liver.
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    Originally Posted by Phosphate bond
    This is very interesting.


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...71&query_hl=27

    Docosahexaenoic acid-enriched egg phospholipids supplementation induces accretion of arachidonic acid in rat blood lipids.

    Gleize B, Payet M, Esmail MH, Pieroni G, Coste TC.

    INSERM, U476, Faculte de Medecine Timone, 27 Boulevard Jean Moulin, INRA 1260, Universite Aix-Marseille, IPHM, 13385 Marseille, France.

    Animal and humans studies have shown that supplementation with triacylglycerides containing omega3 fatty acids, mainly docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) and eicosapentaenoic acid, can induce a decrease in arachidonic acid (AA) in blood lipids. Interestingly, we observed in a previous work that a supplementation with DHA enriched eggs in a healthy elderly population induced an accretion of AA in their blood lipids. The present study investigates whether purified DHA enriched egg phospholipids could be responsible for this effect. Four groups of rats were supplemented daily, for eight weeks, with DHA phospholipids (10, 30 or 60 mg/kg) or with soybean phospholipids. Red blood cell membranes and plasma fatty acid levels were compared with that of rats without supplementation. Soybean phospholipids supplementation increased the level of AA in blood lipids but decreased that of DHA. The doses of DHA phospholipids, 30 and 60 mg/kg, induced greater amounts of AA without affecting significantly DHA levels. In contrast, DHA phospholipids supplementation, 10 mg/kg, in which there was the greatest amount of AA, induced only a slight increase in AA levels. Moreover, DHA levels were decreased by this supplementation. These results demonstrate that specific increases in AA levels are preferentially associated with DHA phospholipids levels in supplementation.
    The study with the rats would be much more interesting if they had 4 groups:
    1 fed with AA
    1 fed with AA+DHA
    1 fed with DHA
    and 1 with soy lipids

    now one might simply assume that the body converts DHA to AA if it is in lack of actual AA.
    Anyway, I decided to stop bothering with AA till i see someone start a liver log.
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    Originally Posted by Bane
    now one might simply assume that the body converts DHA to AA if it is in lack of actual AA.
    I don't think that is what is happening, but I see your point. The DHA allows AA in phospholipid for another reason. There is a sort of a negative feedback loop at work here if you will.

    I'd like to see the whole article too.
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    Originally Posted by Mr. Aries
    thanks.. i'll read up on it.. and for your last question.. I think the purpose of x factor is so that you don't have to put up with nasty ass animal parts that most people test their gag reflexes with when they wanna find out if they still got one... lol


    Think of X factor like a protein shake... WHat's the point of a protein shake when you can get all that protein from animal sources? Cuz it's more convenient and you do get tired of chewing 2lbs of meat everyday.
    Great, now explain why I have to pay out the ass for it?
    I don't know either lol
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    Originally Posted by W8isGR8
    Great, now explain why I have to pay out the ass for it?
    Because it's more convenient. However the comparison of whey to other protein sources is not a good example, because whey isn't only convenient but also dirt cheap. A serving of whey costs about 30c, it is very hard to find another mobile nutritional source with as much protein at a competitive price.
    Anyway, with some simple calculations:
    1 serving of liver(at least here in Greece) costs about 1E, for the 50 days it would take about 50E and give more arachidonic acid that X-Factor. Also liver is a very good meal, full of protein,Vitamin A,Iron and other nice stuff. Also,kidneys and hearts are cheaper. In comparison, X-Factor would cost 100E.
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    I don't think that is what is happening, but I see your point. The DHA allows AA in phospholipid for another reason. There is a sort of a negative feedback loop at work here if you will.

    I'd like to see the whole article too.
    Seems to me like homeostasis is ever ever present(big surprise here). The body doensn't want AA levels to lower too much as this would result in reduced immune response, reduced regenerative processes e.t.c. The exact mechanism,ahem, biochemistry/pharmacodynamics is such a complicated issue.
    Anyway, Ill try to get you the full research on monday
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    Originally Posted by Mr. Aries
    okay, out of that list only the lamb liver seems to be barely eatable... Everything else is horrendous...

    is that cooked or uncooked lamb liver... btw, some high cholesterol content in lamb liver, which could be bad..
    Chicken giblets and heart make excellent soup. As for livers(lamb,beef,pork are fairly equal) there are lot of yummy recipes out there(I prefer with a little oil and lots of origano). Kidneys and heart fried are not horrondous, i assure you. As for the cholesterol stuff, hey guess what, arachidonic acid isn't supposed to be good for your heart. I assure you however there are Americans which do a "normal" diet and screw their health much more than a bodybuilder who eats a meal of liver per day
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    It's time to address some misunderstandings.

    1) X-Factor is not corn oil. WTF!!!

    2) AA is very hard to get in food source. You're gonna be eating about 1/2 pounds of beef liver EVERYDAY to a gram of AA. Plus, let's think about the by-products in liver (you're gonna really want organic liver) and the high vitamin A content. Can you say vitamin A toxicity?

    3) No one has to pay out the ass for X-Factor. The people who don't want to don't buy it. It's that simple. But the price is justified in the effectiveness of the product.

    4) 12 lbs of organic beef liver (essentially a 24 day supply of food based AA) costs $74.74. Go ahead and buy 2 orders of it here: http://www.localharvest.org/store/item.jsp?id=5254 Have fun eating all that nasty liver, watch out for vitamin A toxicity, and realize that it costed more than 2 bottles of X-Factor.
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    Not all dessicated liver is also deffated. For example my NOW liver is not. Just checked the label, 4 kcal out of 15 per serving are from fat
    Whoo! Another user of liver products. I've always used liver products and come to think of it, I got better results while using the whole fat NOW liver than the dessicated Universal liver. Interesting. Make sense though considering most of the powerful nutrients are stored in fat.
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    Originally Posted by Bane
    Seems to me like homeostasis is ever ever present(big surprise here). The body doensn't want AA levels to lower too much as this would result in reduced immune response, reduced regenerative processes e.t.c. The exact mechanism,ahem, biochemistry/pharmacodynamics is such a complicated issue.
    Anyway, Ill try to get you the full research on monday
    Actually it seems to me that the body doesn't want AA too high without some sort of temporary regulation in the form of DHA at least.

    The complete article would be very useful.

    Here was the article that prompted the first one. (yeah, this one was in humans)


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...31&query_hl=36

    Docosahexaenoic acid-enriched egg consumption induces accretion of arachidonic acid in erythrocytes of elderly patients.

    Payet M, Esmail MH, Polichetti E, Le Brun G, Adjemout L, Donnarel G, Portugal H, Pieroni G.

    INSERM U476, Faculte de Medecine, 27 Bd Jean Moulin, 13385 Marseille cedex 05, France.

    Many studies in humans volunteers have shown that dietary docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) supplied as triacylglycerol can increase DHA levels in blood lipids but often strongly decreases those of arachidonic acid (AA). The aim of the present study was to determine the effect of dietary supplementation with egg-yolk powder enriched in DHA, corresponding to the French recommended dietary allowance for DHA, on the blood lipid status of an elderly population. Institutionalised elderly individuals aged between 63 and 93 years consumed an egg product enriched in DHA (150 mg/d) once daily for 9 months. Plasma lipids and the fatty acid composition of erythrocyte membranes were determined every 3 months. The supplementation induced an increase in the PUFA content of plasma and erythrocyte membranes which was +14.5 and +25.3 %, respectively, at 9 months. This effect was mainly due to the level of DHA and, unexpectedly, to that of AA which continuously increased. This increase in AA was the result of an increased dietary intake (+50 mg/d) and very probably of an increased biosynthesis as demonstrated by the behaviour of di-homo-gamma-linolenic acid. The supplementation resulted in a blood PUFA status comparable with that of young healthy controls. The data are consistent with a strong regulatory action of the dietary treatment on the subjects' lipid metabolism.
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    Originally Posted by Aeternitatis
    It's time to address some misunderstandings.

    1) X-Factor is not corn oil. WTF!!!

    2) AA is very hard to get in food source. You're gonna be eating about 1/2 pounds of beef liver EVERYDAY to a gram of AA. Plus, let's think about the by-products in liver (you're gonna really want organic liver) and the high vitamin A content. Can you say vitamin A toxicity?

    3) No one has to pay out the ass for X-Factor. The people who don't want to don't buy it. It's that simple. But the price is justified in the effectiveness of the product.

    4) 12 lbs of organic beef liver (essentially a 24 day supply of food based AA) costs $74.74. Go ahead and buy 2 orders of it here: http://www.localharvest.org/store/item.jsp?id=5254 Have fun eating all that nasty liver, watch out for vitamin A toxicity, and realize that it costed more than 2 bottles of X-Factor.
    1) Of course it is not. It is one of the most purely ingenious products out there. It is an even greater prop to mr Lewellyn that he created a product with a compound everyone knew about but nobody thought to use. I am very familiar(due to being a pharmacologist and studied NSAIDs extensivel) with arachidonic acid, but when i first read about X-Factor i wanted to bang my head on the wall(as i am sure many competitors). It's brilliance in simplicity, liek Colombus egg. Too bad my tight budget hasn;t allowed my to try it yet.
    2) Not so hard as I have demonstrated. You need a quarter of kilogram of liver per day. Or a quarter of a heart,or kidneys,e.t.c. Do the math.
    3) I still consider X-Factor well worth the price. Considering efficieny/safety/price it is a wonderful supplement i think. Damn, for a cycle of Superdrol(considering costs for PCT,liver protection e.t.c.) costs about the same, is much more risky for your health and i think gives abiut the same gains
    4) Why would you have to buy organic liver? I am not familiar in meat prices in USA, but here in Greece 1kg of beef or pork liver(4 days worth of AA) is 4E.Here
    http://www.superplusfoods.com/customer/home.php?cat=274
    i can see that liver is 0.89$ for 500 grams. Esentially you could do the 50 days for about 25$
    5)Vitamin A overdose. I have considered that. That is why i suggest cycling liver/kidneys/hearts/brains. However look here for more info for Vitamin A toxicity: http://www.solgar.co.uk/healthnotes/...3#Side-Effects
    Btw the most common side effect from vitamin A overdose is headache(i can personally vouch for that) which also is a common side effect of X-Factor
    However, remembering my Diet lesson, those are ways to prevent vitamin A toxicity:
    -Antacids(See:Calcium Carbonate) inhibit VitaminA absorption
    -Coffee also inhibits vitamin A absorption
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