h-drol, m-drol, and p-plex stack

[atombombbis]

how ould you guys go about using these 3 products for the safest gains? one of my clients is buyin me 2 bottles of each for x-mas.

ALL SUGGESTIONS WELCOME IF EDUCATED

[moondo57]

Considering they are each methyl's I would consider running them separately, unless you have a ton of liver protectant. And I guess a lot of it depends upon if you have run DS before..

[Blue Boogie]

I haven't used all 3 of those together, but I've stacked P-Plex and M-Drol with Finigenx Magnum (Tren-ish). Turned out very nicely, but more bloat than I found acceptable. HD is mild, so I wouldn't call this a too over the edge stack, but it's borderline IMHO. If you're experienced with these, I'd try:

Wk 1: M20, P30, H50
Wk 2: M20, P30, H50
Wk 3: M20, P30, H50
Wk 4: M20, P30, H50

Get Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support (2 tubs). It's gonna be crucial for this type of stack. Run it 2 weeks before cycle, all throughout cycle, and for 2 weeks after cycle, at least. Have responsible PCT on hand as well for afterwards.

[moondo57]

I haven't used all 3 of those together, but I've stacked P-Plex and M-Drol with Finigenx Magnum (Tren-ish). Turned out very nicely, but more bloat than I found acceptable.

What did your gains look like and how long did you run that?

[FF71]

Do you really plan on running 3 methylated PH / DS back to back? It would almost be "safer" to run each separately and taking the same amount of time per cycle off to give your liver a break. Sounds like an awesome gift but you really can't run 3 methyls back to back or even simultaneously safely. Will your client possibly buy you a complete stack of one, including support supplements to compliment? That would almost be a better deal than supplying you with the gainers and not the supports.

[Blue Boogie]

What did your gains look like and how long did you run that?

30 days (Testanate50 by Black Dragon), 18lbs gain, 15lbs kept. Bloodwork was acceptable, considering. I didn't eat as clean as I should have, which I think would have helped a lot. I ate huge and often, so I had to do some cutting afterwards. I was very impressed with it though.

[JHICKS3301]

wow...

I would just do M-drol and P-plex

Just my $.02

Planning on doing this in Jan

[atombombbis]

Do you really plan on running 3 methylated PH / DS back to back? It would almost be "safer" to run each separately and taking the same amount of time per cycle off to give your liver a break. Sounds like an awesome gift but you really can't run 3 methyls back to back or even simultaneously safely. Will your client possibly buy you a complete stack of one, including support supplements to compliment? That would almost be a better deal than supplying you with the gainers and not the supports.

i have money to buy whatever i want as far as support goes. im a very successful trainer. but she asked me what i wanted and i figured i might as well stock up when the chance is here.

i have taken m-1-t for a 6 week cycle in the past as well as 2 cycles of lg sciences origional methyl masterdrol and methyl 1-P. the lg cycles were 8 weeks each.

i loved both but every time i got some they would make it illegal and impossible to find. so i figure what the hell if she wants to she can buy these for me and i'll have them layin around.

personally i dont like to high dose anything. when i have taken PH's in the past i always half dosed for a longer period. so instead of taking the full dose for 4 weeks i would half dose for 8 and it always worked out really really well for me and my body got used to the musscle being there so it was more inclined to keep it.

that being said i was planing on just taking one pill of each of these products for 6-8 weeks as i have done in the past. starting gasparis AE on either week 6 or 4 depending on how things are going.

[atombombbis]

just for the record she is also buying me CEL's M1,4ADD product too.

WHAT can you guys tell me about it? it seems to be more of an off season mass builder product. just figured it would be cool to try.

i know this seems stupid but i just wanted to make it easy on her to order, and they have the 4 products so i said get me 2 of each. i just gave her the link to the online store and there they are easy for her to buy so she doesnt screw it up...lol....trust me she is the type too.

[ZDub212]

just for the record she is also buying me CEL's M1,4ADD product too.

WHAT can you guys tell me about it? it seems to be more of an off season mass builder product. just figured it would be cool to try.

i know this seems stupid but i just wanted to make it easy on her to order, and they have the 4 products so i said get me 2 of each. i just gave her the link to the online store and there they are easy for her to buy so she doesnt screw it up...lol....trust me she is the type too.

The product failed label claims, tell her to not buy it.

[NeXMuScLe]

just for the record she is also buying me CEL's M1,4ADD product too.

WHAT can you guys tell me about it? it seems to be more of an off season mass builder product. just figured it would be cool to try.

i know this seems stupid but i just wanted to make it easy on her to order, and they have the 4 products so i said get me 2 of each. i just gave her the link to the online store and there they are easy for her to buy so she doesnt screw it up...lol....trust me she is the type too.

I didnt know it was still selling?
It's bunk, BCS and CEL m1,4ADD
were tested and found to be
DHEA. I would look into a different
compound. Havoc would be a
solid alternative. Or a non methyl
alternative would be Bold 200

[Blue Boogie]

just for the record she is also buying me CEL's M1,4ADD product too.

WHAT can you guys tell me about it? it seems to be more of an off season mass builder product. just figured it would be cool to try.

i know this seems stupid but i just wanted to make it easy on her to order, and they have the 4 products so i said get me 2 of each. i just gave her the link to the online store and there they are easy for her to buy so she doesnt screw it up...lol....trust me she is the type too.

Yes, the M1, 4ADD was tested and shown to be just DHEA. If it's just CEL products she's buying for you, take more of the M-Drol. It's the best out of the bunch, IMO. If she has access to others, Bold200 by IForce is a great one that you could stack with the others (non-methyl).

[FF71]

How about i Force Nutrition Metha-drol for your M-drol:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/iforce/methadrol.html

Or since you're leaning out the dosage try out Black China Lab's Super Flex:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bcl/superflex.html it's a PPlex and M-Drol in one @ 10mg each compound per capsule. So far BCL has been well received on BB.com and at a lower dosage it could be worth while.

The reason I say these companies is because of known quality of their products.

[Dalamara]

The PP & SD at 20mg/day would give nice gains and wouldn't be too much to handle. Adding Halo to it would be a bit much imo. The benefit vs. side effects doesn't justify it.

With PP & SD you're already going to gain a massive amount of muscle. Adding the Halo will imo not add significantly to your gains, but it will add more strain on your liver and cause potentially more side effects.

Why not just stock up and then freeze a lot of it for later use? Just because you have all of them doesn't mean you have to use them all at once. Infact a separate cycle of SD, PP, and Halo would give you a net gain of much more muscle then a cycle of all three thrown together.

[solarize]

If you could, run a cycle with Test as the base and add on an oral, my suggestion would be the m-drol for 4-6 weeks. You would have incredible gains

If your not into injectables and/or just want to run the orals, I would suggest a 6 week cycle. 3.5weeks of SD, overlapped with 4weeks of P-Plex.

Week 1 - SD 10-20mg
Week 2 - SD 20mg
Week 3 - SD 20mg - P-plex 15mg
Week 4 - P-phlex 30mg
Week 5 - Pplex 30mg
Week 6 - P plex.

[v4lu3s]

i ran all three at once a while back, it was nothing spectacular. I ended up with pretty bad acne as well. Strength gains were nice but no better than I get one one hormone. personally I would not run more than 2 at a time, also I had a bottle of the m1,4add and i guess it was dhea cause it did not do **** and left me with bad acne on my back.

[atombombbis]

The PP & SD at 20mg/day would give nice gains and wouldn't be too much to handle. Adding Halo to it would be a bit much imo. The benefit vs. side effects doesn't justify it.

With PP & SD you're already going to gain a massive amount of muscle. Adding the Halo will imo not add significantly to your gains, but it will add more strain on your liver and cause potentially more side effects.

Why not just stock up and then freeze a lot of it for later use? Just because you have all of them doesn't mean you have to use them all at once. Infact a separate cycle of SD, PP, and Halo would give you a net gain of much more muscle then a cycle of all three thrown together.

i agree

i was just asking for ideas

[atombombbis]

by the way i thought only one turned out to be dhea? i was reading that thread about that from pat arnold, but it was like 40 pages so i stopped....guess i stopped too soon?

[Rippedtohell]

If you could, run a cycle with Test as the base and add on an oral, my suggestion would be the m-drol for 4-6 weeks. You would have incredible gains

If your not into injectables and/or just want to run the orals, I would suggest a 6 week cycle. 3.5weeks of SD, overlapped with 4weeks of P-Plex.

Week 1 - SD 10-20mg
Week 2 - SD 20mg
Week 3 - SD 20mg - P-plex 15mg
Week 4 - P-phlex 30mg
Week 5 - Pplex 30mg
Week 6 - P plex.

I would do the above cycle, however I would overlap week 3 and 4 with SD

[atombombbis]

If you could, run a cycle with Test as the base and add on an oral, my suggestion would be the m-drol for 4-6 weeks. You would have incredible gains

If your not into injectables and/or just want to run the orals, I would suggest a 6 week cycle. 3.5weeks of SD, overlapped with 4weeks of P-Plex.

Week 1 - SD 10-20mg
Week 2 - SD 20mg
Week 3 - SD 20mg - P-plex 15mg
Week 4 - P-phlex 30mg
Week 5 - Pplex 30mg
Week 6 - P plex.

what is the reasoning behind suggesting this?

[atombombbis]

another question i have is how would you incorporate gaspari's AI during the cycle? all the way through? or two weeks from finishing? i have read it takes a good 2 weeks for effects

[iw1]

another question i have is how would you incorporate gaspari's AI during the cycle? all the way through? or two weeks from finishing? i have read it takes a good 2 weeks for effects

whats your reasoning to run an ai during cycle? if estrogen is a conceren i would opt for a topical formestane on cycle.

[atombombbis]

whats your reasoning to run an ai during cycle? if estrogen is a conceren i would opt for a topical formestane on cycle.

no reason in particular. im just askin and seein what others do

[iw1]

i really don't see a point in running an ai on cycle. you could save it for pct but a serm should be plenty.

[NeXMuScLe]

no reason in particular. im just askin and seein what others do

dude you need to plan out what you
want to run in full before you ask for
suggestions, but by the way it is looking
your thinking of taking a bunch of this
stuff all at once. Which is going to tax
the hell out of your liver.

[solarize]

what is the reasoning behind suggesting this?

I think 6week Oral cycles "tend" to be more effective for trained individuals, thats just my experience and that of friends with the new designers.
SD also tends to bottom out a bit at week 3/4

[jsweetness]

id do them all separate with increased dosages, the 'stacking methyls' thing seems....stupid.

[atombombbis]

dude you need to plan out what you
want to run in full before you ask for
suggestions, but by the way it is looking
your thinking of taking a bunch of this
stuff all at once. Which is going to tax
the hell out of your liver.

again, just seein what other people suggest

[willip]

If you could, run a cycle with Test as the base and add on an oral, my suggestion would be the m-drol for 4-6 weeks. You would have incredible gains

If your not into injectables and/or just want to run the orals, I would suggest a 6 week cycle. 3.5weeks of SD, overlapped with 4weeks of P-Plex.

Week 1 - SD 10-20mg
Week 2 - SD 20mg
Week 3 - SD 20mg - P-plex 15mg
Week 4 - P-phlex 30mg
Week 5 - Pplex 30mg
Week 6 - P plex.

He asked about PHs, why did you recommend him something illegal?

[solarize]

He asked about PHs, why did you recommend him something illegal?

Maybe its illegal where you are, but not for everyone.

Chill.