Tom Brady Best QB Ever Period

[Jrich54338]

Some of the great wide receivers Brady has had from 2001-2006:

Reche Caldwell
David Patten
David Givens
Deion Branch
Troy Brown
Fred Coleman
Bert Emannuel
Jermaine Wiggins
Bethel Johnson
JJ Stokes
Dedric Ward
Andre Davis
Tim Dwight
Jabar Gaffney
Doug Gabriel
Chad Jackson

From that list only Troy Brown has been to the Pro Bowl and that was an amazing 1 time, when another WR got injured. Out of 17 WR listed for Brady only 1 went to the Pro Bowl. Barely.

Manning for most of his career had Marvin Harrison! A top 3 WR in the league and 8 time pro bowler. He's had Reggie Wayne, another pro bowler, and dallas clark and brandon stokely. Talent wise Manning has had the advantage over brady for WR, but you're saying with the WRs i listed brady had from 2001-2006, manning would put up better numbers with them? Get with it.

Wow those are some crappy Wide Outs lol

[kethnaab]

Some of the great wide receivers Brady has had from 2001-2006:

Reche Caldwell
David Patten
David Givens
Deion Branch
Troy Brown
Fred Coleman
Bert Emannuel
Jermaine Wiggins
Bethel Johnson
JJ Stokes
Dedric Ward
Andre Davis
Tim Dwight
Jabar Gaffney
Doug Gabriel
Chad Jackson

From that list only Troy Brown has been to the Pro Bowl and that was an amazing 1 time, when another WR got injured. Out of 17 WR listed for Brady only 1 went to the Pro Bowl. Barely.

and during that time, he broke 4000 yards once in 6 years, and never had more than 28 TDs.

So yes, Brady has done well in a system that ideally suits him. He is an excellent QB with great pocket mobility and instincts, but it is still way too flippin' soon to judge his place in history.

3 SB rings could easily be 1, were it not for Vinateri. The Pats fans quickly forget that.

I'm not saying Brady isn't outstanding or that he isn't a great leader. I'm just saying that the "he won 3 SB's" argument is a pile of BS. He was barely better than the other team's QB, but NE's excellent defense and outstanding kicker pulled him through.

Bottom line - NE epitomizes what it means to be a TEAM.

[Lunatic]

I don't see why so many people think GREAT QBs have to have so many rings. A QB can be GREAT without ever going to a SB. If their defense sucks, there's nothing the QB can do to fix that. I agree that Brady is the best of this era, but I wouldn't say he's the best ever just yet. I think that he will be by the time he retires, but he's got some more time to go before he gets there. He is so calm and collective when he needs to be. Perfect QB to have on your team. I'd be perfectly happy with him or Favre. Peyton is also an excellent QB, but I think Favre and Brady are better picks. Brady is also surrounded by more talent than the other two IMO. The Pats have had really good everything the past few years. Good coaching, players, etc. The Pats o-line is also a big contribution to his greatness.

[RickRoss]

and during that time, he broke 4000 yards once in 6 years, and never had more than 28 TDs.

So yes, Brady has done well in a system that ideally suits him. He is an excellent QB with great pocket mobility and instincts, but it is still way too flippin' soon to judge his place in history.

3 SB rings could easily be 1, were it not for Vinateri. The Pats fans quickly forget that.

I'm not saying Brady isn't outstanding or that he isn't a great leader. I'm just saying that the "he won 3 SB's" argument is a pile of BS. He was barely better than the other team's QB, but NE's excellent defense and outstanding kicker pulled him through.

Bottom line - NE epitomizes what it means to be a TEAM.

Get out of here with vinatieri. Who put vinatieri in a position to make those kicks when they were no where near field goal range. Drew Bledsoe and Vinatieri were teammates for years and Drew didn't win a super bowl. They played one full year under belichick together and didn't do ****. Get out of here. You're always pointing to vinatieri like brady never had to make the plays to get vinatieri into fg position. No one forgets that except you who thinks vinatieri kicks 100 yard field goals to win super bowls.

Vinatieri didn't become an excellent kicker until Brady came along. No one spoke of him before Brady's tenure and he was in the league since 96. Just like no one spoke of the Pats defense, who were 5-11 and 1-3 during Brady's rookie and second year, before he took over. As soon as Brady takes over everyone is the reason for the success of the Pats except Brady.

"He was barely better than the other teams qb" is a pile of BS. 3 rings and the numbers he's put up with the talent around him, he's already cemented his place in history. He's not a Bradshaw that had the steeler's defense, other than seymour and maybe Harrison, the pats don't have any sure fire locks for the hall of fame like people like to make it out to be.

[ShamusTheFamous]

brady is a douche...

[kethnaab]

You're always pointing to vinatieri like brady never had to make the plays to get vinatieri into fg position. No one forgets that except you who thinks vinatieri kicks 100 yard field goals to win super bowls.

no, I don't "forget" who put him into field goal position. I do recognize that Vinateri kicked 2 field goals > 40 yards as time was expiring to win the first 2 Super Bowls for NE.

Let's do a quick recap, shall we?

vs. the Rams. Ty Law, pick 6. Otis Smith returns another pick to the Rams 33, which resulted in a Vinateri field goal. Brady led a very nice drive at the end of the game, but Vinateri still had to boot a 48-yarder for the win.

Brady - 145 yards, 1 TD
Warner - 365 yards, 1 TD, 2 picks

vs. Carolina, Vinateri missed 1 and had another blocked. Delhomme got sacked and the Pats recovered one inside the Panther 20. Brady threw a pick on 3rd and goal, and that awesome "winning drive" of Brady's to get Vinateri in field goal position was after the damn kickoff went out of bounds and NE started at their 40 yard line. Sorry, but that doesn't quite compare to "The Drive"

Brady - 354 yards, 3 TDs, 1 int (in the red zone)
Delhomme - 323 yards, 3 TDs, 0 picks

vs. Philly, Harrison had a pair of picks including one on the Pats' own 4, Bruschi had a another pick, and Brady fumbled on the Eagles' 4 yard line (another red zone turnover in the Super Bowl by Brady)

Vinatieri didn't become an excellent kicker until Brady came along. No one spoke of him before Brady's tenure and he was in the league since 96.

probably because he hadn't been in the Super Bowl. Not sure what your point was there.

Just like no one spoke of the Pats defense, who were 5-11 and 1-3 during Brady's rookie and second year, before he took over. As soon as Brady takes over everyone is the reason for the success of the Pats except Brady.

is everything completely black and white to you, or are you able to detect shades of gray? I ask, because it seems you aren't capable of detecting anything resembling a middle ground.

"He was barely better than the other teams qb" is a pile of BS.

i'm talking about in the SBs those years. Brady had 1 TD and one worthwhile drive in that SB against the Rams. He had a solid game vs. Carolina but had a red zone pick and was matched by Delhomme. He played solid against Philly, but fumbled once inside the 5-yard line and McNabb outgained him by over 100 yards.

As I said in the post earlier, the Patriots were an outstanding TEAM. Brady was (and still is) an outstanding QB, and I've said that over and over and over again, but blind homers like you seem to only read the bad and then you throw a tantrum before reading between the lines.

[dontcare]

Greatest of all-time?
Not right now. If he finishes his career at the same pace, he'll come up in the argument.
I'd still put Montana, Elway, Tarkenton, Marino (even despite super bowls) ahead of him. That's only to name a few.
The thing with Brady is. If the Patriots win more Superbowls, he will be remembered for it. Years from now when people bring up the Patriots of the 2000's, Brady will be the face. Because if he continues to win Super Bowls, he and Belichik will be the constants.

[hugeness]

the guys who beat the Ravens 38-7, y'know...the same Ravens that beat the Patriots this past week but had the game taken from them because of retarded calls?

I RARELY call BS on the officiating, but this one was bad.

and I HATE the frickin' Ravens.


vs. Steelers, Ravens total offense - 104 yards (64 rushing, 40 passing), 7 points
vs. Patriots, Ravens total offense - 376 yards (166 rushing, 210 passing), 24 points

Bad calls cost games. Great teams dont make retarded calls like that.

[kingmanaverage]

lol. he isnt even the best qb of his era.

Still salty nearly 12 years later lool.

i agree

noone can touch this guy right now

he'll end up with like 7 rings

Strong predictions.

[Vhagar]

i agree

noone can touch this guy right now

he'll end up with like 7 rings

My god

[Lunatic]

I don't see why so many people think GREAT QBs have to have so many rings. A QB can be GREAT without ever going to a SB. If their defense sucks, there's nothing the QB can do to fix that. I agree that Brady is the best of this era, but I wouldn't say he's the best ever just yet. I think that he will be by the time he retires, but he's got some more time to go before he gets there. He is so calm and collective when he needs to be. Perfect QB to have on your team. I'd be perfectly happy with him or Favre. Peyton is also an excellent QB, but I think Favre and Brady are better picks. Brady is also surrounded by more talent than the other two IMO. The Pats have had really good everything the past few years. Good coaching, players, etc. The Pats o-line is also a big contribution to his greatness.

Stfu, you stupid piece of ****. Go back to school.

[Gayle1]

That guys not too bad

[nn586]

lol @ this thread

[GarthVader]

I see absolutely nothing has changed.

Anyone else notice that beer and brats was quoted as USA Kid?

[MBisonSon]

Please explain this to me: How is it that the Patriots win a lot of big games and a few Superbowls, on the strength of the fact that they are a team-effort all the way through, no one man more important than the next, everybody has a role, no one is irreplaceable, etc. etc.

And then, from the benefits of that team effort, everyone then turns around and says things like "And Tom Brady is the best ever."

Isn't it either "the Patriots are a balanced team where no one player is more important than the other" OR "Tom Brady is the best"?

He is the most accomplished, on the most successful team, due especially to his play late in meaningful games.

1+1=2 now kick rocks, squirt.

[Lunatic]

He is the most accomplished, on the most successful team, due especially to his play late in meaningful games.

1+1=2 now kick rocks, squirt.

Lol at you insulting someone who posted that over 11 years ago, idiot.

[HoganIsGOAT]

i agree

noone can touch this guy right now

he'll end up with like 7 rings

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[128]

12 years later and he’s somehow even GOATier.

Brady’s career can split into at least 2, possibly 3 HOF worthy ones

[TAWS6]

Well, the Patriots did...the towelboy won three superbowls too.

Lmao. This guy use to be the biggest troll on here.

[pwoL]

lol. he isnt even the best qb of his era.

Lol'd so hard seeing 12-04-2007 by this post... and he's still going strong. Not sure if amazing or sad.

[Stratisfear]

I admire the consistency. ^

Also - pretty amazing how if you split Tom’s career into two, you have two hall of fame careers.

[HoustonMiscer]

12 years later and he’s somehow even GOATier.

Brady’s career can split into at least 2, possibly 3 HOF worthy ones

GOATier? lol learn english ****. if anything it would be G'erOAT. Greater of All Time

[JmanTheJuiceman]

If you ever pass through Chicago, turn on the sports radio for some of the most disgusting, ass-licking homoeroticism you'll ever hear. It sets a new low.

Some other things that pass for truth?

"Brian Urlacher is the best defensive player in the history of the game."

"Mike Brown is a Hall-of-Famer."

"Lovie Smith is a genius."

And on, and on. I have no idea what Boston sports radio is like, but it couldn't be worse than Chicago -- maybe it is as bad, but it could not possibly be any worse.

Lmao some things never change

[CougarP01]

Seeing Beers n Brats as the first response should get him some award or something.

I aspire for this level of consistency.