To the purveyors of amino acid esters

[xGhostinGx]

no no...you did that to DF...not pu12. get it straight beefeater!

Oh ya, ooops, wrong guy. I got so many boyfriends I forget, but Im not gay, they are.

[schroeder84]

Oh ya, ooops, wrong guy. I got so many boyfriends I forget, but Im not gay, they are.

true....it's only gay if you're recieving LMAO

[HOLLA BACK!]

true....it's only gay if you're recieving LMAO

So when you give guys **** like you do, that's not gay? Wow!!

On a serious tip, I never heard anything so bizare as wanting to out Ethyl esters on common amino acids. We'll all be saying WTF? in a few years from now.

[schroeder84]

So when you give guys **** like you do, that's not gay? Wow!!

Go away.

[HOLLA BACK!]

Go away.

I was talking about when you give guys friendship bracelets. What did you think I meant?






Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew!?!? (that's nasty get your mind out of the gutter)

[xGhostinGx]

I was talking about when you give guys friendship bracelets. What did you think I meant?

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew!?!? (that's nasty get your mind out of the gutter)

Like Schod said, its not gay if you arent receiving and you are about to be recveing from us.

[krustster]

OMG, I give. Your right CrM is just soluble enough to absorb water to sink but the CrM jubes stop the water (that their job) before it can dissolve.

Thinking about it, F CEE, Im just going to take out those pesky hydophbic jubes. Then I will have a new form of CrM that is soluble. I shall call it Jubeless CrM.

Why do you keep saying "absorb water to sink"?!?!?!? Do you even have any idea how GRAVITY works?!

MAYBE CREATINE SINKS BECAUSE IT WEIGHS MORE THAN WATER!!

[krustster]

I usually add my CrM to this cereal but it sinks like sand to the bottom and I cant taste it.

I don't understand why you're arguing this with us. Apparently you've never used creatine mono??

[pu12en12g]

hello my name is doug, i am co-owner of true protein. we have been reading alot lately with the legitimacy of CEE in general. it seems there are many misconceptions as of late in "home testing" of CEE.

everyone is correct CEE should dissolve in water, unlike a creatine monohydrate, which will just sink to the bottom or suspend in water.

[SwingGuru]

awesome, I picked up a new lamp that was a red dot clearance and some new workout shirts that were yellow dot buy one get one free. Just need a little bleach to get the stains out and they are good as new.

back to the discussion..... If NutrabolicsCurt can make one logical/informative post, I will be amazed.

Hey pharm, which hawkeyes you talkin' about? Surely you don't mean the Iowa Hawkeyes, who had their asses handed to them by the Buckeyes last week 31-6, do you?

[Kledz]

Hey pharm, which hawkeyes you talkin' about? Surely you don't mean the Iowa Hawkeyes, who had their asses handed to them by the Buckeyes last week 31-6, do you?

on another note whenever I read your name for some reason I always thought of swing dancing, not golf

[An Inconvenient Bro]

Customizer,
Does it say strongest or ONE of the strongest?

it says "Canada's top strongman", here is the quote:

JAIME KOEPPE from the WWE and MIKE BADE - Canada's Top Strongman will be some of the many featured athletes at the Nutrabolics booth. The Nutrabolics booth will the place to be at this year's Mr. Olympia.
SEE YOU THERE

[An Inconvenient Bro]

Maybe you signed up.

yeah that must be it

[An Inconvenient Bro]

Mike Bade is ONE of Canada's top strongman, and will be at our booth.
For more info on him check out http://www.ontariostrongman.ca/Athle...ade-index.html

and I'm not putting this guy down so don't go there. I'm sure he is an amazing athlete and competitor. However as usual marketing hyperbole and brospeak seem to take over and you give someone a yet unrecognized title (which btw I noticed got altered slightly to ONE of Canada's top strongmen after getting called out). I am sure Mike Bade himself would say that Hugo Girard or Jessen Paulin are two of the very top Canadian strongmen.

[nick912]

Id like to know if PA thinks products like Get Diesel NOS ETHER are a joke?
This is probably the most regarded product out there. I have never saw Pat comment on any of Chucks products.

[nutrabolicsCURT]

and I'm not putting this guy down so don't go there. I'm sure he is an amazing athlete and competitor. However as usual marketing hyperbole and brospeak seem to take over and you give someone a yet unrecognized title (which btw I noticed got altered slightly to ONE of Canada's top strongmen after getting called out). I am sure Mike Bade himself would say that Hugo Girard or Jessen Paulin are two of the very top Canadian strongmen.

What got altered?
Mike Bade is one of Canada's top strongman. Period.
I think you have too much time on your hands....

[prolangtum]

What got altered?
Mike Bade is one of Canada's top strongman. Period.
I think you have too much time on your hands....

i caught it too homey...it went from Canada's top to one of Canada's top. He was 4th best in Ontario..Im sure he could crush me, Im not saying he is weak. But, when you run a sham company, people like to pick on you.

[nutrabolicsCURT]

i caught it too homey...it went from Canada's top to one of Canada's top. He was 4th best in Ontario..Im sure he could crush me, Im not saying he is weak. But, when you run a sham company, people like to pick on you.

I have no clue what you are talking about because our newsletter was never adjusted.
Sham company? That hurts - coming from you!

[xGhostinGx]

it says "Canada's top strongman", here is the quote:

JAIME KOEPPE from the WWE and MIKE BADE - Canada's Top Strongman will be some of the many featured athletes at the Nutrabolics booth. The Nutrabolics booth will the place to be at this year's Mr. Olympia.
SEE YOU THERE

What got altered?
Mike Bade is one of Canada's top strongman. Period.

Nutrihoax lies? No way.

[prolangtum]

I have no clue what you are talking about because our newsletter was never adjusted.
Sham company? That hurts - coming from you!

like i matter. come on now. gotta have thicker skin than that.

[IronPimper]

Why do you keep saying "absorb water to sink"?!?!?!? Do you even have any idea how GRAVITY works?!

MAYBE CREATINE SINKS BECAUSE IT WEIGHS MORE THAN WATER!!

I was not even going to get involved in this ridiculous discussion, but this is the worst attempt at making a point that I have ever read. I weigh more than water, and I certainly have the ability to float. Several other items have a significant amount of mass, a boat for example, and they do not sink. Whether or not something floats is determined by density and shape, not weight. You are a moron.

Secondly, gravity has a limited effect in water. This is the exact reason that rehabilitation often occurs in water as resistance and gravity are decreased. If you've ever tried picking something up under water you would know that it weighs considerably less while it's under water than it does while it is out of the water. Or are you now going to argue that things fall in water at a rate of 9.8 meters per second squared in water just like on land? Again, shut your mouth, you're a moron.

As far as the actual argument, I can't see how any of you are giving PA a hard time. There is zero evidence of aee or any other ethyl ester working better in any regard than its l-amino counterpart. His very simply question was, "can someone please provide me evidence or scientific data to this end?" So far I've seen several companied that produce these products jump into the thread to bash him, but not a single company or board rep has mentioned any sort of study or data that would back their product or claims. Amazing how quickly we jump down someone's throat when they want proof, yet we cry out for lab tests, assays, etc when we buy products. Pretty much what you're all saying is,

"I don't care if it works or not, but I wanna know that the **** i'm injesting is the **** that doesn't work or something else."

[nutrabolicsCURT]

like i matter. come on now. gotta have thicker skin than that.

exactly.

[PSKlifter]

I was not even going to get involved in this ridiculous discussion, but this is the worst attempt at making a point that I have ever read. I weigh more than water, and I certainly have the ability to float. Several other items have a significant amount of mass, a boat for example, and they do not sink. Whether or not something floats is determined by density and shape, not weight. You are a moron.

Secondly, gravity has a limited effect in water. This is the exact reason that rehabilitation often occurs in water as resistance and gravity are decreased. If you've ever tried picking something up under water you would know that it weighs considerably less while it's under water than it does while it is out of the water. Or are you now going to argue that things fall in water at a rate of 9.8 meters per second squared in water just like on land? Again, shut your mouth, you're a moron.

As far as the actual argument, I can't see how any of you are giving PA a hard time. There is zero evidence of aee or any other ethyl ester working better in any regard than its l-amino counterpart. His very simply question was, "can someone please provide me evidence or scientific data to this end?" So far I've seen several companied that produce these products jump into the thread to bash him, but not a single company or board rep has mentioned any sort of study or data that would back their product or claims. Amazing how quickly we jump down someone's throat when they want proof, yet we cry out for lab tests, assays, etc when we buy products. Pretty much what you're all saying is,

"I don't care if it works or not, but I wanna know that the **** i'm injesting is the **** that doesn't work or something else."

Glad to see you back

[italionstallion]

Secondly, gravity has a limited effect in water. This is the exact reason that rehabilitation often occurs in water as resistance and gravity are decreased. If you've ever tried picking something up under water you would know that it weighs considerably less while it's under water than it does while it is out of the water. Or are you now going to argue that things fall in water at a rate of 9.8 meters per second squared in water just like on land? Again, shut your mouth, you're a moron.

actually, you are wrong here. gravity does not change in water and water has no effect on gravity. the reason why things "fall" at a different rate in water is because of buoyancy/drag/resistance. Drag depends very highly on the characteristics of the fluid (including temperature, currents, etc) and the object being affected, including shape, mass, surface smoothness, direction, and velocity.

Are you going to argue that things fall at 9.8 m/s-squared on land? becuase as far as i know, there are no vacuums on earth, and that is the rate at which objects fall in a vacuum.

[IronPimper]

actually, you are wrong here. gravity does not change in water and water has no effect on gravity. the reason why things "fall" at a different rate in water is because of buoyancy/drag/resistance. Drag depends very highly on the characteristics of the fluid (including temperature, currents, etc) and the object being affected, including shape, mass, surface smoothness, direction, and velocity.

Are you going to argue that things fall at 9.8 m/s-squared on land? becuase as far as i know, there are no vacuums on earth, and that is the rate at which objects fall in a vacuum.

Perhaps I conveyed my point inaccurately. I was trying to say that quite obviously water, or any medium for that matter, will have an effect on the rate at which an object falls, not that gravity doesn't exist. I am well aware that 9.8 m/s squared is the rate in a vaccum, which earth obviously is not. Quite simply, I was making the point that just because something is heavy doesn't mean it will sink, I'm sorry if I didn't articulate that properly.

[acecombact1]

PA just a stupid question.....i Know that enzymes work under certain PH levela, and body temp, and the enzyme is de-activated or degraded if the the PH or TEMP is changed significantly.

would you think adding baking soda to L-arginine would increase its bioavilability since it will change the stomach PH level, and may de-activate the arginase enzyme?!!!!!!!!!!!!

[prolangtum]

I like penis

thats an odd comment

[doogieh]

Bump to the original question.

[prolangtum]

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Man...to think..I missed when you put your soul on the market for sale.

[xGhostinGx]

Why do you keep saying "absorb water to sink"?!?!?!? Do you even have any idea how GRAVITY works?!

MAYBE CREATINE SINKS BECAUSE IT WEIGHS MORE THAN WATER!!

The weight issue IronPimper already addressed, but look at the pretty picture Kruster, on the left is monohydrate floating on the right is CEE being all soluble and sinking. Weird huh? "Thats trickery, my monohydrate was so dense and soluble it sank." Appearantly a lot of people still says it sinks, but its hard to deny a pic. Monohydrats new slogan - soluble enough to sink but not dissolve, must be those damn jubes.