20-Hydroxy-Ecdysterone I undestand where this comes from and how it works, but will it test me positive for a steroids urine test?
I'm interested in trying Kemistry's Dragon Stone powder, in case anybody was wondering.
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Thread: 20-Hydroxy-Ecdysterone
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11-15-2007, 02:56 PM #1
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11-15-2007, 05:58 PM #2
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11-16-2007, 08:42 AM #3
No reason it should make you fail a urine. It's not a test booster or anything.
You'll have tons of ppl tell you that ecdy sucks but I'm not one of them. I have had great results over the years with ecdy and/or methoxy. The amount in StoneDragon, however, won't provide much benefit IMO. They don't tell you how much is actually in it. It's a blend totaling 18.5g but it also includes a ton of other things. Ecdy works best in divided doses about 3-4 a day. If you want good results go with ebol & M-Stak together or stack Isostak by Universal with M-Stak. It's HUGELY important to understand what ecdy does and without a good amount of protein (I recommend 1.5g per lb of bw) while on it, you'll see limited results. Don't be afraid to eat while taking it. You've got zero bf, so use these compounds to gain size via their nutrition partitioning.
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11-22-2007, 04:26 PM #4
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11-22-2007, 04:53 PM #5
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11-22-2007, 05:14 PM #6
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11-29-2007, 06:16 PM #7
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11-29-2007, 06:18 PM #8X-factor log:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5628921
Marathon supp/training log:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=6326881
Purple Wraath/Xtend
ON Natural Whey (Vanilla)/Casein (Banana Cream)
AST Multi Pro 32X
Animal Flex
Activate Xtreme/Lean Xtreme
Clout
Sometimes: Psyllium Husk, GABA, Melatonin, 5-HTP w/ Tyrosine
appr. 2 Gallons water/day (Green Tea included)
Run appx. 25-35 miles/week
Modified Mediterranean diet
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11-30-2007, 03:55 AM #9
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11-30-2007, 04:16 AM #10
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11-30-2007, 04:32 AM #11
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11-30-2007, 04:42 AM #12
A lack of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Just because there are no scientific studies to show that it works, that doesn't mean it doesn't work.
I've played around with Ecdy to know that it does work to a point.
Quite frankly, I will be equally content if other people don't learn about Ecdy's effects, I will gladly use it myself and give myself an advantage.
Edit- I remember specifically saying that it works as an adaptogen.Last edited by KingdomCome; 11-30-2007 at 04:45 AM.
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11-30-2007, 05:03 AM #13
There are on the other hand studies and "evidence" that says it doesnt work.
Based on the results of this study, we conclude that supplementation of methoxyisoflavone, ecdysterone, and/or sulfo-polysaccharides (CSP3) do not have any affect on training adaptations and/or anabolic/catabolic status in resistance-trained subjects. These findings contrast marketed claims that these nutrients promote muscle accretion, increase anabolic status, decrease adipose tissue,and/or enhance training adaptations in resistance-trained athletes.
Effects of Methoxyisoflavone, Ecdysterone, and Sulfo-Polysaccharide Supplementation on Training Adaptations in Resistance-Trained Males.
Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. 3(2): 19-27, 2006.
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11-30-2007, 05:14 AM #14
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11-30-2007, 05:23 AM #15
Read the study here http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.or...2-19-27-06.pdf
I read a lot of studies, I have to when I'm in the business of selling supplements. I used to think glutamine was good for me in many different ways, but most for its effect as an anticatabolic and an immune booster. Now I realise I've only been wasting money.
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11-30-2007, 05:26 AM #16
... if you are in the business of selling supplements... then you should really focus on selling the damned supplements.
If there is a demand for glutamine, regardless of whether it works or not, then you sell that ****.
I am in business myself, really it all just goes down to marketing, pricing, supply and demand in the end.
EDIT- Anyways, this study looks legit however I cannot doubt what I have experienced for myself. I will observe the effects more thoroughly next time.Last edited by KingdomCome; 11-30-2007 at 05:37 AM.
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11-30-2007, 05:36 AM #17
Yes, I sell them all, but I dont recommend the products that I belive will not work. That's just bad for business, if a costumer buys something that will not work, well, they wont buy from me again.
If someone wants to use supplements that I belive dosen't work, then its their call, not mine.
I recommend products that work, I dont want to make money ripping people of. That is just not my style.
I'm not saying that's your style either, but there's a lot of companies that recommends products that wont do ****, and I dont like it.
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11-30-2007, 05:39 AM #18
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11-30-2007, 06:03 AM #19
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11-30-2007, 06:22 AM #20
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There was a time I was using an ecdy product, arginine/yohimbe and creatine preworkout.
I was getting ****ING JACKED. I dropped the arginine/yohimbe. Still getting jacked. I dropped the creatine, still getting jacked. Whatever was in the ecdy product really ****ing likes my body."Anderson Silva lost to Ryo Chonan on the same card as Fedor's last win over Nog. Big ****ing deal." - juggo
"This may sound weird coming from a vegetarian, but I don't eat that many vegtables." -1devil in http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=88318793&postcount=1
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11-30-2007, 06:31 AM #21
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As far as a steroids test is concerned, I would suggest saving 2 or 3 pills from each bottle so that if you do pop positive, you can hand the pills over to the testing commission.
I have yet to read anything about the metabolization of ecdysterone, and I'm not a chemist, so I can't tell you whether ecdy shares metabolites with banned substances or not."Anderson Silva lost to Ryo Chonan on the same card as Fedor's last win over Nog. Big ****ing deal." - juggo
"This may sound weird coming from a vegetarian, but I don't eat that many vegtables." -1devil in http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=88318793&postcount=1
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11-30-2007, 06:38 AM #22
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09-04-2008, 04:46 AM #24
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