What is the "Natural" line?

[rschuh]

I'm curious how many definitions of "natural" are out there. I know most people look at this topic as what is legal, but what happens when you have a product like the first prohormones that are now illegal? Were these cool for "natural" shows when they first came out but now no good? "Natural" can mean many things to many people. Are some of the new supps "natural" when compared to things like Vit C etc.? Here is another one. Let's say someone came out with something that was basically identical to Anadrol, but a different analogue, so it was "legal" at first. Would this be OK for "natural" shows? Is there a definition in the "natural" shows for someone who is taking Testosterone replacement just to keep their levels in the normal level? I'm sure many have different thoughts, but I think it's interesting to see what everyone thinks.

[punksurfer024]

its in the eye of the beholder, if you plan on competing then check with that organization for what they allow and dont allow........IMO if its muscle its natural, only unnatural is implants/synthol

[DinoT1985]

For me adding external hormones into the body classes as one as un-natural. As for multis, creatine, test boosters etc, I'd still call myself natural though technically I can't.

[Viperspit]

Many believe in the "if your not caught" it's all natural aspect. I know plenty of people that compete in so called "natural" comps that juice like there's no tomorrow. Then there's those that proclaim to be natural that don't know any better, and those that will lead you to believe they are, but we all know better The bottom line is so blurred, I'm not sure anyone can give the conclusion.

[njmuscle66]

I know plenty of people that compete in so called "natural" comps that juice like there's no tomorrow. .

That is the part that I can not understand. I can understand someone using anabolics in the past, wanting to still compete, and compete in a tested organization. I also don't have an issue with someone competing in a tested show and using some of the products currently on the market that are not banned by the specific organization. Since it is within the rules of the org Though I was surprised to learn that they weren't banned...........But for someone to juice up to compete successfully in a local natural show-man that is some major self esteem issues.

I am not talking about a show like the Team Universe where someone just uses suspension the last two weeks and tests clean.

But Jim is correct. Guys cycling to compete in a local show. What exactly have you accomplished and achieved?

[Sohan]

In my eyes, if it alters (boosts, adds, makes whatever) hormones etc it's not natural. I believe in that strongly. Doing it this way has great satisfaction too.

[rschuh]

That is the part that I can not understand. I can understand someone using anabolics in the past, wanting to still compete, and compete in a tested organization. I also don't have an issue with someone competing in a tested show and using some of the products currently on the market that are not banned by the specific organization. Since it is within the rules of the org Though I was surprised to learn that they weren't banned...........But for someone to juice up to compete successfully in a local natural show-man that is some major self esteem issues.

I am not talking about a show like the Team Universe where someone just uses suspension the last two weeks and tests clean.

But Jim is correct. Guys cycling to compete in a local show. What exactly have you accomplished and achieved?

I think anyone who competes in a natural show and uses drugs is a complete POS. If you want to use drugs, then you compete in open NPC shows etc. I have a ton of respect for people who compete in both, but anyone who uses drugs in tested shows should have their balls cut off.

[willip]

I think you are natural as long as you don't use steroids.

Just me though.

[rschuh]

I think you are natural as long as you don't use steroids.

Just me though.

This can change too. The government seemed to change their mind regarding the first pro hormones. They were legal at first and now they aren't. Some people consider pro hormones etc. to be "steroids." What about GH or someone taking Testosterone replacement because their natural levels are low? Prednisone is a steroid, but it has no performance enhancing capacities, so how about that? I'm not busting your chops, but just pointing out how touchy this topic can be.

[rschuh]

In my eyes, if it alters (boosts, adds, makes whatever) hormones etc it's not natural. I believe in that strongly. Doing it this way has great satisfaction too.

There is some date to show that amino acids like Arginine and Ornithine can enhance natural GH levels. Does that make them no good in your book? There are some that say taking anti oxidants like Vit C etc. can help the body produce hormone levels more efficiently. What about that?

[willip]

This can change too. The government seemed to change their mind regarding the first pro hormones. They were legal at first and now they aren't. Some people consider pro hormones etc. to be "steroids." What about GH or someone taking Testosterone replacement because their natural levels are low? Prednisone is a steroid, but it has no performance enhancing capacities, so how about that? I'm not busting your chops, but just pointing out how touchy this topic can be.

GH is legal, hence natural. Basically ANYTHING that is legal is considered natural in my eyes.

Prescriptions are legal

[rschuh]

I think you are natural as long as you don't use steroids.

Just me though.

I see that you are promoting products that make false claims to act like real anabolic steroids. To me, that is far more repugnant then someone taking real anabolic steroids. Companies that claim that over the counter products can make gains like Trenbolone should be put out of business.

[Rodzilla]

For me adding external hormones into the body classes as one as un-natural. As for multis, creatine, test boosters etc, I'd still call myself natural though technically I can't.

I'm with this guy!!

I think anyone who competes in a natural show and uses drugs is a complete POS. If you want to use drugs, then you compete in open NPC shows etc. I have a ton of respect for people who compete in both, but anyone who uses drugs in tested shows should have their balls cut off.

and with this guy!!