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    Question Do you train, or, just workout?

    I posted a thread posing this question January 1, 2007. It created a lot of dialogue, and I thought I'd brush it up and re post it again since there are so many new people on the forum. So, here goes!

    You may or my not have noticed, I never say, "I workout".....What I do is, "TRAIN!"

    When most people go to the gym, what almost everyone says they are doing is, "working out". Yet, most, 97% to be exact, will fail at in their exercise and diet program in one year or less.

    When you talk to someone who "trains" they have a goal in mind, like to "hit a lift" to improve in strength and virility. Some to get those Brad Pitt abs. Some to compete in BBing or power lifting competitions. There are many other pursuits that are rewarding and challenging for the BBer, like cycling, triathlons, marathons, even a better golf game and etc..

    My goal now, for example, it to compete in 2008 NPC Masters Nationals BBing competition and win my class! There are many sub goals in place to reach that goal by a certain time to get to my ultimate goal. Therefore, "I'm in training." I have "trainers" that "trains" me. I have a "training" partner with similar goals!

    What I have noticed over the years as I attend many of the same gyms from Oregon, Washington, Alaska, and other major cities foreign and domestic, that I frequent, I see many of the same people, some have improved, some maintained, yet most are newbies that will be gone the next time I visit, never to return again.

    At least twice a week or more, someone will come up to me and ask, "How can I lose weight" or "I want to look like you!" Or "get more muscles, but not big like you! Just toned up." or "I wanna lose my belly, get fit, bla, bla, bla..." They are almost always short term lifters. Why? IMO, they come to "just work out." No goals, no vision of what that means. It is more than "just working out," it is a goal, and vision of what you want to accomplish. Therefore, they fail.

    I rarely give them advice anymore to the people that approach me because when I do, 98% of them will not put forth the "intensity", or "consistency" or diet to succeed. They come to the gym to "just work out." They lack "intensity and consistency," with no idea of how to achieve the goals they seek. They come to "workout" and "train" for nothing.

    Does a runner talk about his or her "working out" for a race, or do the "train" for a race. Do skiers "work out" or train? Do ball players go to "workout" camps or "training" camps? They have coaches and trainers, that train them.

    Now, I'm not saying anything is wrong with "working out." I just feel to me, it means two different things, one has a strong commitment to a goal, a vision, and the other terminology rarely does. It just hangs there. To me, it is more than semantics!

    So, the question is..... "Do you train?" Or, "Just work out?" ed
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    I can see why this caused a lot of dialog the last time you posted this. If I look at what I am doing I fall into the "workout" category. I've fallen into that category a number of times throughout my life with the results that you describe. Reading your post had me thinking about my "goal" which when I first signed up for this site was simply to live healthier. If you think about it that really isn't that much of a goal to keep you motivated. Time to reevaluate what I really want and set some real goals so I can train instead of workout.

    Thanks for the eye opening kick in the pants!
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    I train. My goal is to hit PR's every week, especially on certain exercises, such as the max effort squat and bench days, and everything I do training and diet wise is geared toward this goal. Before 08AUG08 (my 40th birthday) I will compete in a PL meet again. I will probably do a deadlift meet as a warm-up (WABDL in April or May, preferably May) of next year.

    Next goal after that is to regain flexibility in the shoulders, particularly the left, and take up OL'ing again. And yes, with competition as the goal.
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    Count me as a "workout".
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    I train. I have tweaked my workouts here and there to reach my goals (mostly strength related). That being said, I do love working out .
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    Originally Posted by oldsuperman View Post
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    I rarely give them advice anymore to the people that approach me because when I do, 98% of them will not put forth the "intensity", or "consistency" or diet to succeed. They come to the gym to "just work out." They lack "intensity and consistency," with no idea of how to achieve the goals they seek. They come to "workout" and "train" for nothing....
    This is true.

    I suppose I started working out. As time went by and I became 'hooked' into a more fit me - that is in a physical, mental, and emotional state of being, I think I have begun to shift into the train mode. My short term training goal (within 1 year) is to reduce my bodyfat to below 14%. I'm always amazed by the people that ask me about my workout routines. I tell them and I also tell them I workout 4 times a week and never miss. That's when you can tell they workout. They usually have a comeback like, "well, I'm really busy" or "I wish I could do that".

    Good Question OldSuperMan.
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    always training...I love that word and I love your explanation....
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    Hi Ed,

    I completely agree with you about "training" vs "working out" and the success rate. What it comes down to are goals. If you have a goal, you are training to achieve it. You have a reason to get to the gym, to get up early, to make extra lean meals, to push out that last rep, or to get to bed on time. When one is only heading to the gym only to "get in a workout", there is no plan or timeline because there is no burning reason to get that workout in. Eventually, it gets too easy for one to say "Why should I do this when I don't feel like it today?" The slippery slope leads to falling into old habits and eventually abandoning the healthy lifestyle one had chosen to pursue.

    One of my favorite quotes is: "The difference between a dream and a goal is a plan." I think to many people dream and not enough people plan.
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    Thanks for the explanation, sir. English is not my native tongue, so I haven't been aware until now that the two terms do discern that much and that the goal is what makes the difference.
    So, that being said, definitely I'm Training and my workouts (sorry) training days are the heavy loaded cars I'm pulling and pushing towards the ultimate Goal—the STRENGHT.
    Yes, I remember this is not “heavylifting.com”, this is bodybuilding.com. I do like this place and most of the people, still it is SRENGTH.
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    People may be working towards the same goal(s), but call it different things. I prefer the term "working out" as, even someone not familiar with lifting weights knows that you are either talking about lifting weights or doing some sort of cardio.

    However, if you use the term, "I am in training", that could pretty much encompass a variety of topics. (i.e. lifting weights, cardio, boxing, etc.)

    Many of the people who workout/train do have goals in mind, so it really doesn't matter what you call it.

    Someone from up north may drink a "pop", down south, they south "soda". Up north "icebox", in the south, "refrigerator".

    Again, call it what you want, but it's the end result that we are all after.

    P.S. A poll would have been a good idea to add to your thread.
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    Originally Posted by Like It Or Not View Post
    People may be working towards the same goal(s), but call it different things. I prefer the term "working out" as, even someone not familiar with lifting weights knows that you are either talking about lifting weights or doing some sort of cardio.

    However, if you use the term, "I am in training", that could pretty much encompass a variety of topics. (i.e. lifting weights, cardio, boxing, etc.)

    Many of the people who workout/train do have goals in mind, so it really doesn't matter what you call it.

    Someone from up north may drink a "pop", down south, they south "soda". Up north "icebox", in the south, "refrigerator".

    Again, call it what you want, buts it's the end result that we are all after.

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    Originally Posted by oldsuperman View Post
    Now, I'm not saying anything is wrong with "working out." I just feel to me, it means two different things, one has a strong commitment to a goal, a vision, and the other terminology rarely does. It just hangs there. To me, it is more than semantics!

    So, the question is..... "Do you train?" Or, "Just work out?" ed
    Originally Posted by Like It Or Not View Post

    However, if you use the term, "I am in training", that could pretty much encompass a variety of topics. (i.e. lifting weights, cardio, boxing, etc.)

    Many of the people who workout/train do have goals in mind, so it really doesn't matter what you call it.
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    I believe it DOES matter, or else why do so many fail. Words and their meanings are very powerful and can and do amazing things by evoking all kinds of emotions and action. Some may "Workout" with a goal in mind, yet IMO, MOST do not. Again, 97% will fail. ed
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    This is true.
    As time went by and I became 'hooked' into a more fit me - that is in a physical, mental, and emotional state of being, I think I have begun to shift into the train mode.
    Good Question OldSuperMan.
    The Mental, and emotional state of being! Very good! I strongly believe that is why people fail as well. They only look at the "physical" part of their lives and omit the "Whole" body! Therefore they are completly outa balence. ed
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    Originally Posted by oldsuperman View Post
    I believe it DOES matter, or else why do so many fail. Word and their meanings are very powerful and can and do amazing things by evoking all kinds of emotions and action. Some may "Workout" with a goal in mind, yet IMO, MOST do not. Again, 97% will fail. ed
    I imagine I train in my head. Then often get sidetracked with other things in life. Then the goals don't get reached. Then try again. I guess I fall into the 97%. When I was single and no one depended on me I reached my goals easily. I don't know what term to use but workouts/training do make me progress in a lot of ways.

    The goals I had when I was in my 20's I still want.
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    I call what I do "working out" or "weight training" and have always met my goals and will continue to meet them. I don't think the word itself dictates whether or not your succeed...it's the will inside a person that does.
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    Lifting I definitely have goals, but more often I'm 'working out' rather than training. If I'm lifting for a specific athletic performance, I'm training.

    Athletic/sports I am definitely training.

    I'm not sure exactly how I would define the difference, but there is one in my mind. Not that does not necessarily equate to intensity, goals commitment etc..

    Kind of like asking if weight training is a sport.
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    Each workout is a component of my training!

    Individually they are workouts, in aggregate they are training.
    Any workout you can walk away from is a good workout.
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    I would have to say I train. About 7 years ago I was getting very bad work related upper middle back aches. Fortunately a good chiropractor got me started with some PT, and as I saw improvements from that I began trying different exercise methods. Mainly to strengthen my shoulder girdle & upper back. One thing led to another. I have routines now that specifically help for my work, and my love for hiking and nature photography, which involves carry a good bit of weight on my treks. My physical appearance has improved, but the goal is performance based.
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    Sad to say, but I guess I'm just workingout, but my new goal is to train!
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    I really do not think I ever simply worked out, according to your definition. I have always had a goal while hitting the gym/road. Initially it was to lose fat - which I did to the tune of almost 100 pounds. After that, I re-evaluated, and set my sights on passing a physical test for a job, so my workout changed to get me to that goal. I now also have a secondary and tertiary goal. Secondary is to run a marathon in Oct. 2008. Tertiary is to consistently improve my speed while running distance. These are all related, so every time I hit any sort of workout I have these goals in mind, whether the specific workout is hitting the track, running 10 miles, doing situps/pushups, or lifting in the gym.

    I agree with you 100% Ed - if you do not have a specific goal, it is rare that you will continue, since most people do not truly enjoy working out - they just like the results. If you do not have a goal, I doubt you will see enough results to keep you going.
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    Great thought provoking post. I guess I never really thought about if I was training or working out. I probably am in the middle.
    This post has really given me an eyeopener. I going to commit to "Training" from now on. Wow, that felt good to write that.
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    So true. I've been in a working out rut for awhile now and couldn't put my finger on why until you brought this up. Seems I'm working out right now because I have no goals aside from the target weights in my workout.

    I train when the wife and I have booked a trip to Cancun or some other place where I'll be taking my shirt off. Funny how that works because when I know we are going to Cancun, I train like a wildman. When I've got no place to go, I workout and sometimes it's a job just pushing through a workout.

    Looks like I need to set some goals and start training again - thanks!
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    In all honesty, I guess I just workout.

    I have general goals (improved health, improved strength, lower BF%), but not any specific goals.
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    Goals are very important ways to keep your motivation up. I've got my main goal in mind, and I'm looking down the road a couple of goals at all times. I intend on keeping a goal for (hopefully) the rest of my life so I don't backslide into old, bad habits.

    There's also little secondary goals, like being at the top of my gym's chart of most workout days in a month.

    So if going to the gym and watching what I eat in hopes of meeting my goal is training, I guess I'm training.
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    I train for life. In the gym I have weight lifting related goals (300 BP, 400 Squat, 500 DL), outside the gym I have a variety of goals. I have PTSD, and training provides me with relief for a number of the symptoms: Anger, lack of concentration/focus, sleep deprivation, anxiety. This in turn effects much of the rest of my life: I'm closer to God, I'm a better husband and father, I'm a better person in general.

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    I train for life. In the gym I have weight lifting related goals (300 BP, 400 Squat, 500 DL), outside the gym I have a variety of goals. I have PTSD, and training provides me with relief for a number of the symptoms: Anger, lack of concentration/focus, sleep deprivation, anxiety. This in turn effects much of the rest of my life: I'm closer to God, I'm a better husband and father, I'm a better person in general.

    All of these goals keep me consistent, determined, and motivated.
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    I say train! Training for a healthy, active life to my 70's and beyond. This takes dedication, constant re-evaluation of my goals, and "chipping away" at stubborn old habits. It's for life in my opinion!

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    This seems to be a good place for this question, I have so many 'problem areas' that I want to improve on. Some of these problems are due to poor genetics, others are because I gave up on myself. The bottom line is that there just isn't enough time, nor energy, to hit them all - so in the meantime I haven't been focusing on any one area, but instead, have just been doing full-body routines in the desperate hope that they will improve in time.

    Would I be better off sticking with this philosophy or focusing on a few parts at a time?
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    Good post buddy. Looks to me like I need to work on rewording my journal to say "Todays weight training day looked like this" as opposed to "Todays workout...."
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