Casein on bulk?...night hungers

[infjspirit]

So i understand the science behind it all but wondering because I have never "bought into it"

All my supps, whey, diet, workout is in line but I;m beginning my first attempt at a true bulk

I tend to get hungrier as the night progresses but try not to eat much after 7pm///

I tend to get a tb or 2 of Natty PB in or some jello just to have the 0 cals before I sleep...sip the green tea all evening

Is Casein really worth the investment? I figure I can drink that when i get the hunger around 9pm and it carry me through the evening? I just don't want to drop over $20 on something that's going to get me fat or provide no benefit in the meantime...

advice gets REPPED

[SeP]

So i understand the science behind it all but wondering because I have never "bought into it"

All my supps, whey, diet, workout is in line but I;m beginning my first attempt at a true bulk

I tend to get hungrier as the night progresses but try not to eat much after 7pm///

I tend to get a tb or 2 of Natty PB in or some jello just to have the 0 cals before I sleep...sip the green tea all evening

Is Casein really worth the investment? I figure I can drink that when i get the hunger around 9pm and it carry me through the evening? I just don't want to drop over $20 on something that's going to get me fat or provide no benefit in the meantime...

advice gets REPPED

why in the world would you not eat after 7 pm?

[airborne_g]

i like cottage cheese. Same results, more filling for me.

[MattyJ85]

Nothing wrong with eating after 7pm (especially on a bulk). Yes Casein is good before bed as the protein is slow releasing and lasts for alot longer than whey (so it still works while ur sleeping).

[infjspirit]

why in the world would you not eat after 7 pm?

Cause I'm in bed by 10pm...

I don't want to waste energy on burning food... my body needs to focus on sleep, especially for recovery and to have my GH dance around....

I enjoy staying lean...

[infjspirit]

Nothing wrong with eating after 7pm (especially on a bulk). Yes Casein is good before bed as the protein is slow releasing and lasts for alot longer than whey (so it still works while ur sleeping).

I will look for a lower cal, lower carb Casein, then.

I get all the bulking cals in through regular diet, so I don't want to overload...

Thx..anyone else?

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[airborne_g]

everyone is going to tell you that if you're bulking you need to eat...even if its after 7. Bulking or cutting.

[q-theman]

i like cottage cheese. Same results, more filling for me.

I agree. Cottage cheese is probably the cheapest and one of the most forgotten way to get your casein protein. You can control the amount of fat by choosing the different % of fat in each grade of cottage cheese.

[d2trader1]

Honestly, the need not to eat after 7pm is completely psychological. One of the ways that people get fat is that they chow down after dinner, eating a tub of ice cream, a piece of cake, candy, liquor, etc. The traditional cheat meal occurs after dinner. We associate night time eating, therefore, as cheating.

I've had to reprogram myself to stop thinking that night time eating is bad. In fact, it plays a necessary part in muscle building. I'm stronger now, because I've adopted a pattern of eating that allows me to eat in nighttime (as long as it fits my macros), and I don't gain fat. Get some good casein or MPI and work it into your diet.

[Brmeyer84]

Xtreme Formulations Ultra Peptide is what you are looking for then... Probably the most popular casein protein amongst fitness enthusiasts on this forum... It is a very solid product... Good Luck

[infjspirit]

everyone is going to tell you that if you're bulking you need to eat...even if its after 7. Bulking or cutting.

I mean...the 7pm thing is not mandatory. Basically, about 2 hours before bed, I quit eating. i've had that rule for a couple of years now. But if I throw in the Casein close to bedtime, I should be ok from what I gather...

like I said, I will be getting my bulking cals from real food during the day.

[put5onyo]

So i understand the science behind it all but wondering because I have never "bought into it"

All my supps, whey, diet, workout is in line but I;m beginning my first attempt at a true bulk

I tend to get hungrier as the night progresses but try not to eat much after 7pm///

I tend to get a tb or 2 of Natty PB in or some jello just to have the 0 cals before I sleep...sip the green tea all evening

Is Casein really worth the investment? I figure I can drink that when i get the hunger around 9pm and it carry me through the evening? I just don't want to drop over $20 on something that's going to get me fat or provide no benefit in the meantime...

advice gets REPPED

A real good night-time snack is chocolate whey, natty pb, and cottage cheese all mixed together. It gives you almost all of your different types of proteins, some healthy fats, fills you up, and tastes all right as well. This is especially a good snack since you are on a bulk.

[infjspirit]

i like cottage cheese. Same results, more filling for me.

I was wondering where that was going...but now I get it, lol

Good point

So I should save the $20 + on powder and munch on some low-fat Cottage Cheese...yeah, I can do that

Thx Repped

[infjspirit]

I agree. Cottage cheese is probably the cheapest and one of the most forgotten way to get your casein protein. You can control the amount of fat by choosing the different % of fat in each grade of cottage cheese.

REPPED

[infjspirit]

Honestly, the need not to eat after 7pm is completely psychological. One of the ways that people get fat is that they chow down after dinner, eating a tub of ice cream, a piece of cake, candy, liquor, etc. The traditional cheat meal occurs after dinner. We associate night time eating, therefore, as cheating.

I've had to reprogram myself to stop thinking that night time eating is bad. In fact, it plays a necessary part in muscle building. I'm stronger now, because I've adopted a pattern of eating that allows me to eat in nighttime (as long as it fits my macros), and I don't gain fat. Get some good casein or MPI and work it into your diet.

Good Point. i don't want to seem like a freak..I mean, occasionally I eat SOMETHING close to bed time.

REPPED

Like You, I was a terrible night eater. I blew up to 250lbs at 5'7" because of poor choices. 4 years and 2 marathon (26 mile races) later, i am at 168-170.
I was down to 152 in April and decided to start serious bodybuilding. But I NEVER want to be 250lbs of fat again

That's where eating smart at night comes in. But I want to get protein in before bed on my bulk, just in a "clean" way. Cottage Cheese might be my choice over the powder....

I work overnight 8pm-8am 2-3 days a week so night hungers hit me. (I do sleep on those shifts beginning between midnight-2am...allowed...but I always get the hunger late. ) Sipping on Casein or snacking on the cottage cheese sounds promising.

[infjspirit]

A real good night-time snack is chocolate whey, natty pb, and cottage cheese all mixed together. It gives you almost all of your different types of proteins, some healthy fats, fills you up, and tastes all right as well. This is especially a good snack since you are on a bulk.

This is the best answer yet...

VERY GOOD

REPPED!

[ab-swing asianbabe]

Ok so you enjoy being lean
You get your bulking calories pre 7pm
You sound pretty happy with how you're going so far?

If that's the case, don't change a thing!

[infjspirit]

Ok so you enjoy being lean
You get your bulking calories pre 7pm
You sound pretty happy with how you're going so far?

If that's the case, don't change a thing!

Wrong///

I'm HUNGRY!

I'm going with the Pb/CC/whey idea...

[dvsness]

There is no reason that you should avoid eating within 2 hours of bed or whatever - I ate within minutes of bed and gotten to single digit bf%. Just manage your calories effectively. If you sleep for 8 hours and don't eat fro 2 hours prior, that's 10 hours fasted. I see no benefit.

A protein + fat meal is best pre-bed for slow digesting calories that will satiate you throughout the night. You can have a casein blend, peanut butter, cottage cheese, sure. You can also have salmon, chicken, steak, almonds, etc.

[infjspirit]

There is no reason that you should avoid eating within 2 hours of bed or whatever - I ate within minutes of bed and gotten to single digit bf%. Just manage your calories effectively. If you sleep for 8 hours and don't eat fro 2 hours prior, that's 10 hours fasted. I see no benefit.

A protein + fat meal is best pre-bed for slow digesting calories that will satiate you throughout the night. You can have a casein blend, peanut butter, cottage cheese, sure. You can also have salmon, chicken, steak, almonds, etc.

I enjoy the 8 hour fast...

But I will incorporate some pro and fattys in before bed....

Still, that whey, cc, pb idea is tempting.

I'm still new to this bulking process....just trying to do it right.

Shoving 3000 + clean cals down my throat is intimidating...but I'm pushing through

[AronP24]

Xtreme Formulations Ultra Peptide is what you are looking for then... Probably the most popular casein protein amongst fitness enthusiasts on this forum... It is a very solid product... Good Luck

x 2,3,4, and 5

[An Inconvenient Bro]

everyone's different, some guys (even when dieting) need a ton of carbs and protein right up to bedtime to avoid losing muscle during the night. Find what works best for you through trial and error <--- yes you may have to put on a bit of pudge to determine what works but in the long run you will get to your goals much quicker and easier

[naturalguy]

There is no reason that you should avoid eating within 2 hours of bed or whatever - I ate within minutes of bed and gotten to single digit bf%. Just manage your calories effectively. If you sleep for 8 hours and don't eat fro 2 hours prior, that's 10 hours fasted. I see no benefit.

A protein + fat meal is best pre-bed for slow digesting calories that will satiate you throughout the night. You can have a casein blend, peanut butter, cottage cheese, sure. You can also have salmon, chicken, steak, almonds, etc.

Good advice ^^^^

If your awake, you should be eating every 3 hours.

I always find whole food to be superior to shakes for my last meal. It definitely satiates you longer and if your concerned about being lean, keep in mind that whole food is thermogenic, shakes generally are not.

[eldawg]

I agree. Cottage cheese is probably the cheapest and one of the most forgotten way to get your casein protein. You can control the amount of fat by choosing the different % of fat in each grade of cottage cheese.

Let's see....

113 grams of fat free cottage cheese has:

Calories: 80
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 0.0g 0%
Cholesterol 5mg 2%
Sodium 430mg 18%
Total Carbohydrates 7.0g 2%
Sugars 7.0g
Protein 14.0g

113 grams of MPI has:

Calories: 403
Total Fat 3.8g
Cholesterol 0mg
Sodium 117mg
Total Carbohydrates 1.5g
Sugars 0g
Protein 94.0g

I don't know how much you may pay for a pound of cottage cheese, but for me it would probably run at around $4-5. With MPI going for $7-8 per pound, there is no contest if the deciding factor was price!

[SPACECLOWN]

Here is my typical night time meal....yes right before bed.
1/2 cup FF or 1% cottage cheese
2 tbsp of natty PB
1 scoop whey or casein if I have it.

Works very well for me.

[An Inconvenient Bro]

Let's see....

113 grams of fat free cottage cheese has:

Calories: 80
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 0.0g 0%
Cholesterol 5mg 2%
Sodium 430mg 18%
Total Carbohydrates 7.0g 2%
Sugars 7.0g
Protein 14.0g

113 grams of MPI has:

Calories: 403
Total Fat 3.8g
Cholesterol 0mg
Sodium 117mg
Total Carbohydrates 1.5g
Sugars 0g
Protein 94.0g

I don't know how much you may pay for a pound of cottage cheese, but for me it would probably run at around $4-5. With MPI going for $7-8 per pound, there is no contest if the deciding factor was price!

you are 100% correct, powders are far more economical. my problem is I LOVE cottage cheese

[Death From Above]

ive seen amazing gains since adding casein pre bed or during the night. I eat at arounrd 4:30pm 9:30pm (after jiu jitsu) 12:00 am and sometimes if I wake up to piss have some milk or a shake. Not even bulking, more or less recomping.

[smt5141]

You could have as much protein as you want after seven, you could eat a steak if you want. Try to stay away from heavy carbs at night because you won't burn them for energy and your body will store them as fat

[q-theman]

Let's see....

113 grams of fat free cottage cheese has:

Calories: 80
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 0.0g 0%
Cholesterol 5mg 2%
Sodium 430mg 18%
Total Carbohydrates 7.0g 2%
Sugars 7.0g
Protein 14.0g

113 grams of MPI has:

Calories: 403
Total Fat 3.8g
Cholesterol 0mg
Sodium 117mg
Total Carbohydrates 1.5g
Sugars 0g
Protein 94.0g

I don't know how much you may pay for a pound of cottage cheese, but for me it would probably run at around $4-5. With MPI going for $7-8 per pound, there is no contest if the deciding factor was price!

You are quite right in your prices, however, for me it cheaper and easier to share with my wife and kids if I buy the cottage cheese, its like under $4/lb. where I shop, buying in bulk is cheaper . Plus, I can save the protein powder for me, (selfish, kinda ), I have never had a problem saying "Honey, out of cottage cheese, we need to get more." without catching any flak. vs. "Honey, I'm out of protein powder again, I need to get more." Now thats a different story.

[brand77]

Wrong///

I'm HUNGRY!

I'm going with the Pb/CC/whey idea...

I mix a straight casein powder or casein/whey blend, such as Ultra Peptide, with the cottage cheese and peanut butter. It is much thicker that way, like a thick pudding. Using straight whey protein makes the mix much thinner.....like protein soup.