New **** innovations in the hopper...

[gnostic]

Thought you guys would find this post from AM interesting. Here's a link to the thread:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showt...t=30969&page=2

B******* wrote:
Just as a heads up for folks, Author and I are working with a very talented guy in China now who has TWO (2) doctoral degrees (one from Peking University which is about the best university in China and one from a university in Ireland), a PhD in Analytical Chemistry and a DSc in Organic Chemical Synthesis. The guy is TOP NOTCH and is hands down, the best synthetic chemist available to the sports nutrition industry in all of China...scratch that, this guy can make anything, he is the best synthetic chemist available to our community IN THE WORLD (including the USA)...he's tip top, teaches chemistry at the graduate level in China and is an exclusive consultant to Author and myself (he did not come cheap - we have him on retainer now to work with us and us alone so it is unlikely other companies are going to be able to come up with the cool chemicals **** and Gaspari are going to have access to at the purity and price levels we will have).

I spoke with Author at length last night and we have decided that we really want to have "Chemist X" focus his efforts for us on the C4, -OH modified compounds. You might remember such cool C4, -OH modifieds compounds like MOHN, OHN, Formestane, etc.?!?

Well, we're going to take this a step further. The hydroxyl at C4 makes otherwise aromatizable steroids unaromatizable (usually) and also gives the compound (usually) some inherent anti-aromatic qualities itself.

Author is having our 'friend in Chengdu' make small (a few grams) of the following goodies for us to play with -

4,17b-diydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (did someone ask for 'trenbolone'?)

17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-4,9-dien-3-one (this one should be VERY cool)

17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-4-hydroxy-5-androstan-3-one (I will call this a 'Hydrogen Bomb' instead of an "A-Bomb")

4-hydroxy-1-methyl-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one (probably as a 17b ester - think "legal Primobolan")

4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3-one (the Anavar variant)

and of course, what stack would be complete without dbol?

4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androsta-1,4-dien-3-one (dbol, no bloat, non-aromatizing)

Now we are 'alpha testing' these goodies in August and no, we don't need volunteers to 'assist us' (sorry guys, you will need to wait until we either beta test or we just launch the products).

I do want to know, and Author surely does too, which of these would be your TOP TWO choices since we can't launch them all, I discussed this with Author and he's going to set up a poll here so you guys can help us decide, what gets made and what gets the proverbial boot. Your input is important.

Now these will not be inexpensive, figure on the best price to you guys for this stuff is going to end up at $50 a bottle for like a months supply but they are all NOT ILLEGAL at this point and would really kick ass as "proto-steroids" for as long as we can sell them for.

We're also working on a few THP and undecanoate ester products for those of you who are "uninclined to use C-17a alkylated products" like most of the ones I just wrote about.

I am pretty sure the 4-OH trenbolone analog will end up being made as a THP ether in a gel cap (with oleic acid) at 25mg per pop (you'd need 2-4 per day). But hey, it is essentially oral, legal Parabolan so I mean, how cool is that?

We're also likely to do a 4-OH DHT 17b-THP ether too in a gel cap as a "low buck" non-methyl.

I am really excited to be working with the folks at ****/Author on these products. It just proves that good minds in the industry and "rival companies" do not have to act disrespectfully towards each other and try to sabotage each others ideas. It's been a pleasure, really it has, talking with Author and I look forward to working with him more and more in the future.

You see, when creative minds come together, usually cool idea come out of the conversations and you guys end up with really good, effective products, better choices and this is good for the industry.

Gaspari Orastan-E and **** Prostanozolol were the first project(s) we successfully did together and I bet you're going to see plenty more in the future.

I really think, and I know Author concurs or we would obviously not be working together, that it's better to have a friend than an enemy and it is better to work as a team than by yourself.

Anyhow, we want to know what you guys all think of all this in general and the compounds we propose.

Thanks for your time and be well,

[UberBerzerker]

I stopperd reading after this

he is the best synthetic chemist available to our community IN THE WORLD (including the USA)...

so...lemme get this straight...the USA is now part of the world?!?! When did that happen

[secondsight]

Author is having our 'friend in Chengdu' make small (a few grams) of the following goodies for us to play with -

4,17b-diydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (did someone ask for 'trenbolone'?)

17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-4,9-dien-3-one (this one should be VERY cool)

17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-4-hydroxy-5-androstan-3-one (I will call this a 'Hydrogen Bomb' instead of an "A-Bomb")

4-hydroxy-1-methyl-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one (probably as a 17b ester - think "legal Primobolan")

4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3-one (the Anavar variant)

and of course, what stack would be complete without dbol?

4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androsta-1,4-dien-3-one (dbol, no bloat, non-aromatizing)

All I can say is ... HOLY ****!!!

[robbah99]

Damn! Good times are coming.....

[samv12]

so i guess the prohormone ban is not actually a bad thing after all as we keep getting all these goods

[Krzna]

I am donating my body to science ..... can i become a tester

[dtrain13]

I am donating my body to science ..... can i become a tester

WERD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLLY SHIAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[dbish77]

I think this thread should be deleted...lets keep it under wraps *looks around suspiciously

[dtrain13]

I think this thread should be deleted...lets keep it under wraps *looks around suspiciously

This could be a good idea, however it is obviously posted on am as well so.......

[<^>]

Well heres some input from me:

TRY ASWERING THE F^CKING EMAILS I SENT TO U GUYS FOR ONCE !!

i have sent 4-5 emails to u guys asking questions and what-not but none have been answered....not once. So before u start making new products why dont u guys work on customer service.

And yes i have called and never gotten a call back- or had the person answer my question- he just put me on hold for 45 mins..........

[dbish77]

This could be a good idea, however it is obviously posted on am as well so.......

Yeah, but they would know anyway because of the **** board, and I'm not worried as much about their members. But a bunch of 13-18 year olds read this one so they could find out. At AM if you're under 21 and post anything about a hormonal supp you get banned...let's let this fade into oblivion...

[dbish77]

Well heres some input from me:

TRY ASWERING THE F^CKING EMAILS I SENT TO U GUYS FOR ONCE !!

i have sent 4-5 emails to u guys asking questions and what-not but none have been answered....not once. So before u start making new products why dont u guys work on customer service.

And yes i have called and never gotten a call back- or had the person answer my question- he just put me on hold for 45 mins..........

Screw the customers, give me my legal tren!!!

[dtrain13]

Yeah, but they would know anyway because of the **** board, and I'm not worried as much about their members. But a bunch of 13-18 year olds read this one so they could find out. At AM if you're under 21 and post anything about a hormonal supp you get banned...let's let this fade into oblivion...

True dat.

[gnostic]

Look, the designers of this stuff aren't reluctant to post this information, so why are you guys so ****ing paranoid. Do you honestly think that anyone with legal authority regarding these matters isn't savvy enough to source this information outside of bb.com boards.

Keeping things on the down-low is an illusion, once the info is released on the internet. It's the nature of the beast, as information WILL BE disseminated. Additionally, if any of these new designer supps do get banned, it will have absolutely NOTHING to do with posts on bb.com or any other board for that matter. The cloak and dagger stuff is ridiculous.

[dtrain13]

Look, the designers of this stuff aren't reluctant to post this information, so why are you guys so ****ing paranoid. Do you honestly think that anyone with legal authority regarding these matters isn't savvy enought to source this information outside of bb.com boards.

Keeping things on the down-low is an illusion, once the info is released on the internet. It's the nature of the beast, as information WILL BE disseminated. Additionally, if any of these new designer supps do get banned, it will have absolutely NOTHING to do with posts on bb.com or any other board for that matter. The cloak and dagger stuff is ridiculous.

Though I agree with some of what you say, if you look at dbish77 second to last post he refers to KIDS!! This is a huge problem on this board and not so much on AM's board. Just FYI.
Oh and BTW my old man lives in Huntsville.

[In My Eyes]

Holy designer steroids batman!

[gnostic]

Though I agree with some of what you say, if you look at dbish77 second to last post he refers to KIDS!! This is a huge problem on this board and not so much on AM's board. Just FYI.
Oh and BTW my old man lives in Huntsville.

Huntsville is a very laid back progressive city. Great place to raise a family (low crime).

[dtrain13]

Huntsville is a very laid back progressive city. Great place to raise a family (low crime).

Yea, he was born and raised on a farm down there. Def. a laid back town. I've been down twice but as a child so I am sure it has progressed some since that time.

[Vanilla Thunder]

This type of thing is a perfect example for Congress to justify strictly regulating supplements of ALL kinds. (they obviously did a poor job last time, intending to quash this exact type of thing). Dumbasses might find themselves in jail too...buy it while you can though...

[gnostic]

This type of thing is a perfect example for Congress to justify strictly regulating supplements of ALL kinds. (they obviously did a poor job last time, intending to quash this exact type of thing). Dumbasses might find themselves in jail too...buy it while you can though...

Well, that's probably a valid point. Because they will eventually realize that modern chemistry will always circumvent the laws, unless they institute comprehensive prohibition.

[Enjoy Kane]

this could be a load of bunk. and will probably be a while till we see it, if it is true. who knows. take everything you read on the internet for a grain of salt.

[Patrick Arnold]

Look, the designers of this stuff aren't reluctant to post this information, so why are you guys so ****ing paranoid. Do you honestly think that anyone with legal authority regarding these matters isn't savvy enough to source this information outside of bb.com boards.

as unbelievable as it sounds, the answer is no

actually, the real answer is that nobody in authority cares enough and/or is steroid knowledgable enough to figure any of this out

If they were motivated, they certainly could hire some people knowledgable in the area and launch a serious investigation into the matter.

it certainly is possible that all of this could soon reach a critical mass where they HAVE to get motivated

[Patrick Arnold]

this could be a load of bunk. and will probably be a while till we see it, if it is true. who knows. take everything you read on the internet for a grain of salt.

exactly. i highly doubt that this chemist is exclusive or is the "best in the world" (how the hell does he come to this conclusion?) Its just typical ******* hyperbole. Marketing if you will......

Furthermore, writing a bunch of compounds down on a piece of paper (many of which BTW are written wrong - as in disregard for stereochemistry) is far from having them made in commercial quantities. Many of these quite possibly will be too difficult to make practically and not worth the investment in R&D to pursue.

Not only that, but many may have crappy physiological activity. IN particular, The 5alpha reduced steroids with 4-hydroxy groups that he lumps in there are complete unknowns. the only 4-hydroxy steroids that are known to work are the ones with the 4,5 double bond. And what is the stereochemisty of these 5AR 4-hydroxys?? alpha or beta? do you think ******* is even aware that when you remove that double bond you have stereochemical considerations to deal with?

Now i don't mean to sound completely negative here. Maybe one or two cool compounds may come out of this, who knows.

but you should understand that (as is usually the case with *******) 95% of what he says here is BS. 5% may be good stuff though

[biketuna]

Hey PA,

Will you give us your opinion on the compounds listed above??

Thanks for posting !!

[Kledz]

i highly doubt that this chemist is exclusive or is the "best in the world"

I laughed like a pirate after reading that part, I'm sure the "best chemist in the world" has nothing better to do than be exclusive to ALR and BK... what a joke.
Is anyone else picturing the "keymaster" from the matrix reloaded? The meticulous asian man locked in a room all day?

as for the rest, I'll believe it when I see it.

[Baby Huey]

I stopperd reading after this





so...lemme get this straight...the USA is now part of the world?!?! When did that happen

I stopped reading when I saw it was from Bruce *******.

[UberBerzerker]

exactly. i highly doubt that this chemist is exclusive or is the "best in the world" (how the hell does he come to this conclusion?)

You mean you don't know?!?! They have this Iron-Chef like contest to determine this every year...I done seened up on dat der Discuv-ree channels.....


side by side chem-off.....quick as you can contestants, from these chemical compounds...produce something anabolic....GO!!!

[dtrain13]

You mean you don't know?!?! They have this Iron-Chef like contest to determine this every year...I done seened up on dat der Discuv-ree channels.....


side by side chem-off.....quick as you can contestants, from these chemical compounds...produce something anabolic....GO!!!

LMAO......Your a fool!!!!LOL

[gnostic]

You mean you don't know?!?! They have this Iron-Chef like contest to determine this every year...I done seened up on dat der Discuv-ree channels.....


side by side chem-off.....quick as you can contestants, from these chemical compounds...produce something anabolic....GO!!!

That's damn funny...

[dbish77]

You mean you don't know?!?! They have this Iron-Chef like contest to determine this every year...I done seened up on dat der Discuv-ree channels.....


side by side chem-off.....quick as you can contestants, from these chemical compounds...produce something anabolic....GO!!!

I was on that show!!!!!!! I don't know why, all of the other people were high level chemists and whatnot, and I was just a 17 year old high school football player who hated 10th grade chemistry...I got second place to old Ching Dung...