Reply
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 40
  1. #1
    Registered User Nicky M's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2005
    Location: NY
    Posts: 41
    Rep Power: 0
    Nicky M has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    Nicky M is offline

    Is there any truth to this crap?!?!

    I got this email today from a friend of mine. Personally, I think it's a load of bull**** and was probably put out on the internet by some "real sugar" company suffering from the no-carbs craze. I know the farmers that grow oranges are sueing Atkins because sales have dropped dramatically and they're losing hundreds of thousands of dollars from it. Anyway, here is the exact email cut/pasted:

    Subject: Aspartame & MS [your health]..........


    Aspartame & MS (your health)


    Just a reminder that "sugar free" does not mean "healthy". Splenda is as bad if not worse!

    In October of 2001, my sister started getting very sick. She had stomach spasms and she was having a hard time getting around. Walking was a major chore. It took everything she had just to get out of bed; she was in so much pain.
    By March 2002, she had undergone several tissue and muscle biopsies and was on 24 various prescription medications. The doctors could not determine what was wrong with her. She was in so much pain, and so sick...she just knew she was dying.
    She put her house, bank accounts, life insurance, etc., in her oldest daughters name, and made sure that her younger children were to be taken care of. She also wanted her last hooray, so she planned a trip to FL
    (basically in a wheelchair) for March 22nd.
    On March 19th I called her to ask how her most recent tests went, and she said they didn't find anything on the test, but they believe she had MS.
    I recalled an article a friend of mine E-mailed to me and I asked my sister if she drank diet soda? She told me that she did. As a matter of fact, she was getting ready to crack one open that moment... I told her not to open it, and to stop drinking the diet soda !!! I E-mailed her the article my friend, a lawyer, had sent.
    My sister called me within 32 hours after our phone conversation and told me she had stopped drinking the diet soda AND she could walk!!!! The muscle spasms went away. She said she didn't feel 100% but she sure felt a lot better. She told me she was going to her doctor with this article and would call me when she got home.
    Well, she called me, and said her doctor was amazed! He is going to call all of his MS patients to find out if they consumed artificial sweeteners of any kind...
    In a nutshell, she was being poisoned by the Aspartame in the diet soda... and literally dying a slow and miserable death.
    When she got to FL March 22nd, all she had to take was one pill, and that was a pill for the Aspartame poisoning! She is well on her way to a complete recovery ... and she is walking!!! No wheelchair!!!
    This article saved her life. If it says "SUGAR FREE" on the label, DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!!

    I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on "ASPARTAME," marketed as 'NutraSweet,' 'Equal,' and 'Spoonful.'
    In the keynote address by the EPA, it was announced that in the United States in 2001 there is an epidemic of multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus. It was difficult to determine exactly what toxin was causing this to be rampant.
    I stood up and said that I was there to lecture on exactly that subject. I will explain why Aspartame is so dangerous: When the temperature of this sweetener exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in ASPARTAME converts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn causes metabolic acidosis. Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of fire ants. The methanol toxicity mimics, among other conditions, multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus.
    Many people were being diagnosed in error. Although multiple sclerosis is not a death sentence.. methanol toxicity is!

    Systemic lupus has become almost as rampant as multiple sclerosis, especially with Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers. The victim usually does not know that the Aspartame is the culprit. He or she continues its use; irritating the lupus to such a degree that it may become a life-threatening condition. We have seen patients with systemic lupus become asymptotic, once taken off diet sodas.

    In cases of those diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, (when in reality, the disease is methanol toxicity), most of the symptoms disappear. We've seen many cases where vision loss returned and hearing loss improved markedly.

    This also applies to cases of tinnitus and fibromyalgia.
    Reply With Quote

  2. #2
    Registered User Nicky M's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2005
    Location: NY
    Posts: 41
    Rep Power: 0
    Nicky M has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    Nicky M is offline
    (CONTINUED)


    During a lecture, I said, "If you are using ASPARTAME (NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc.) and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, shooting, pains, numbness in your legs, cramps, vertigo, dizziness, headaches, tinnitus, joint pain, unexplainable depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, blurred vision, or memory loss...you probably have ASPARTAME poisoning!"

    People were jumping up during the lecture saying, "I have some of these symptoms.
    Is it reversible?" Yes! Yes! Yes! STOP drinking diet sodas and be alert for Aspartame on food labels!

    Many products are fortified with it!!!
    This is a serious problem. Dr. Espart (one of my speakers) remarked that so many people seem to be symptomatic for MS and during his recent visit to a hospice a nurse stated that six of her friends, who were heavy Diet Coke addicts, had all been diagnosed with MS. This is beyond coincidence!

    Diet soda is NOT a diet product! It is a chemically altered, multiple SODIUM (salt) and ASPARTAME containing product that actually makes you crave carbohydrates. It is far more likely to make you GAIN weight!
    These products also contain formaldehyde, which stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs. Formaldehyde is an absolute toxin and is used primarily to preserve "tissue specimens."

    Many products we use every day contain this chemical but we SHOULD NOT store it IN our body!!!
    Dr. H. J. Roberts stated in his lectures that once free of the "diet products" and with no significant increase in exercise, his patients lost an average of 19 pounds over a trial period.
    Aspartame is especially dangerous for diabetics. We found that some physicians, who believed that they had a patient with retinopathy, in fact, had symptoms caused by Aspartame. The Aspartame drives the blood sugar out of control. Thus diabetics may suffer acute memory loss due to the fact that aspartic acid and phenylalanine are NEUROTOXIC when taken without the other amino acids necessary for a good balance. Treating diabetes is all about BALANCE. Especially with diabetics, the Aspartame passes the blood/brain barrier and it then deteriorates the neurons of the brain, causing various levels of brain damage, seizures, depression, manic depression, panic attacks, uncontrollable anger and rage.
    Consumption of Aspartame causes these same symptoms in non-diabetics, as well.
    Documentation and observation also reveal that thousands of children diagnosed with ADD and AHD have had complete turnarounds in their behavior when these chemicals have been removed from their diet. So called "behavior modification prescription drugs" (Ritalin and others) are no longer needed. Truth be told, they were never NEEDED in the first place!
    Most of these children were being "poisoned" on a daily basis with the very foods that were "better for them than sugar."
    It is also suspected that the Aspartame in thousands of pallets of diet Coke and diet Pepsi consumed by men and women fighting in the Gulf War may be partially to blame for the well-known Gulf War Syndrome.
    Dr. Roberts warns that it can cause birth defects, i.e., mental retardation, if taken at the time of conception and during early pregnancy. Children are especially at risk for neurological disorders and should NEVER be given artificial sweeteners. There are many different case histories to relate of children suffering grand mal seizures and other neurological disturbances due to the use of NutraSweet.
    Unfortunately, it is not always easy to convince people that Aspartame is to blame for their child's illness. Stevia, which is a sweet herb, NOT A MANUFACTURED ADDITIVE, helps in the metabolism of sugar, which would be ideal for diabetics. It has now been approved as a dietary supplement by the FDA. It is known that for many years the FDA outlawed this true sweet food due to their loyalty to MONSANTO Chemical Company.

    Books on this subject are available:

    EXCITOTOXINS: THE TASTE THAT KILLS written by Dr. Russell Blayblock
    (Health Press 1-800-643-2665) AND: DEFENSE AGAINST ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE-written by DR H. J. Roberts, also a diabetic specialist.
    These two doctors will soon be posting a position paper with case histories on the deadly effects of Aspartame on the Internet. According to the Conference of the American College of Physicians, "We are talking about a plague of neurological diseases directly caused by the use of this deadly poison."
    Herein lies the problem: There were Congressional Hearings when Aspartame was included in 100 different products and strong objection was made concerning it's use.. Since this initial hearing, there have been two subsequent hearings and still, nothing has been done The drug and chemical lobbies have very deep pockets. Sadly, MONSANTO'S patent on Aspartame has EXPIRED!!
    There are now over 5,000 products on the market that contain this deadly chemical and there will be thousands more introduced.
    Everybody wants a "piece of the Aspartame pie. I assure you that MONSANTO, the creator of Aspartame, knows how deadly it is. And isn't it ironic that MONSANTO funds, among others, the American Diabetes Association, the American Dietetic Association and the Conference of the American College of Physicians? This has been recently exposed in the New York Times. These cannot criticize any additives or convey their link to MONSANTO because they take money from the food industry and are required to endorse their products.
    Senator Howard Metzenbaum wrote and presented a bill that would require label warnings on products containing Aspartame, especially regarding pregnant women, children and infants. The bill would also institute independent studies on the known dangers and the problems existing in the general population regarding seizures, changes in brain chemistry, neurological changes and behavioral symptoms. The bill was killed.
    It is known that the powerful drug and chemical lobbies are responsible for this, letting loose the hounds of disease and death on an unsuspecting and uninformed public.
    Well, you're informed now!!!! YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW!!!!
    Please print this out and/or e-mail to your family and friends. They have a right to know, too!
    Reply With Quote

  3. #3
    Registered User BluSilver's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2004
    Location: Michigan
    Posts: 2,556
    Rep Power: 536
    BluSilver has a spectacular aura about. (+250) BluSilver has a spectacular aura about. (+250) BluSilver has a spectacular aura about. (+250) BluSilver has a spectacular aura about. (+250) BluSilver has a spectacular aura about. (+250) BluSilver has a spectacular aura about. (+250) BluSilver has a spectacular aura about. (+250) BluSilver has a spectacular aura about. (+250) BluSilver has a spectacular aura about. (+250) BluSilver has a spectacular aura about. (+250) BluSilver has a spectacular aura about. (+250)
    BluSilver is offline
    Aspartame is only bad for people that lack the ability to get rid of the phenylalanine. It builds up in their brain and they die. Luckily, this can only happen to 1 in 10,000 people IFF they consume a large amount of phenylalanine (aspartame). Don't worry about it. If you really want, go to the doctor and get checked.
    On top of my game, and it don't stop til my hip don't hop anymore.
    Reply With Quote

  4. #4
    ★Heisenberg★ Haywood Jablome's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2004
    Location: █♣█, Canada
    Posts: 15,768
    Rep Power: 402271
    Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    Haywood Jablome is offline
    Most of the forwards I get from people, friends or not is mostly bs. There's a lot of crap on the internet that I just dont buy, especially a lot of websites of people stating how aspartame gave them brain tumors and ****, with no science to back it up.

    Some people cannot metabloize the amino acid phenylalanine which is contained in aspartame, a condition called phenylketonuria. These are the people that have problems.

    I didnt read the whole thing b/c it sounds like the same old bs I've seen a dozen times about this, or a big computer virus that's going around that doesnt actually exist.
    /M\



    Who's High Pitch
    Reply With Quote

  5. #5
    Registered User Zorro274's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2004
    Location: New York
    Age: 33
    Posts: 449
    Rep Power: 197
    Zorro274 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) Zorro274 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) Zorro274 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) Zorro274 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) Zorro274 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) Zorro274 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) Zorro274 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) Zorro274 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) Zorro274 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) Zorro274 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) Zorro274 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    Zorro274 is offline
    all people react differently to different substances. Im not saying that aspartame and artificial sweetners are good for you, but in small amounts im sure they are fine. Just keep it in moderation. Some people have bad reactions to nuts and milk. Does that mean that those two foods are bad in general?...i dont think so
    Reply With Quote

  6. #6
    Texas Raised htxRed's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2005
    Location: h-town
    Age: 36
    Posts: 859
    Rep Power: 208
    htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10)
    htxRed is offline
    natural sugars have enzymes that break it down in your body. processed sugars dont. so fat storage they go.

    -my doctor
    Reply With Quote

  7. #7
    BBoy King gaberox's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2005
    Location: Watching the NFL network
    Age: 43
    Posts: 1,669
    Rep Power: 272
    gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    gaberox is offline
    Originally Posted by htxRed
    natural sugars have enzymes that break it down in your body. processed sugars dont. so fat storage they go.

    -my doctor
    well I eat about 20 splenda packets a day somtimes more
    and Ive never been leaner, especially compared to times ive eaten a lot of sugar.Ask your doctor to prove that to you.People are just scared of new things they dont understand.If artifical sugar made you fat I deffinatly would
    not have the body I have today.
    Reply With Quote

  8. #8
    ★Heisenberg★ Haywood Jablome's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2004
    Location: █♣█, Canada
    Posts: 15,768
    Rep Power: 402271
    Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    Haywood Jablome is offline
    Originally Posted by htxRed
    natural sugars have enzymes that break it down in your body. processed sugars dont. so fat storage they go.

    -my doctor
    So, sweeteners cannot be converted to glucose but they can be to lipids??
    /M\



    Who's High Pitch
    Reply With Quote

  9. #9
    Texas Raised htxRed's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2005
    Location: h-town
    Age: 36
    Posts: 859
    Rep Power: 208
    htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10)
    htxRed is offline
    Originally Posted by gaberox
    well I eat about 20 splenda packets a day somtimes more
    and Ive never been leaner, especially compared to times ive eaten a lot of sugar.Ask your doctor to prove that to you.People are just scared of new things they dont understand.If artifical sugar made you fat I deffinatly would
    not have the body I have today.
    yea but you're a bboy, im sure you're more inshape then the average joe, i should know i tried to learn breakin, didnt work out. haha. i got the 6 step down though.

    and haywood, i dont even know what you just said, but the gist i got from my brother and doctor explaining it to me, and the lil research i did, i concluded that basically natural sugars, like sugars in fruit and stuff, have enzymes that help or allow the body break it down almost imediatly, where as processed sugars, such as sweeteners and such, dont, which will most likely cause it to automatically go to fat storage.

    my brother is like my mentor in the world of fitness and health, because of him i've quit smoiking and decreased my alcohol intake greatly. i've also cut out soft drinks and notice the HUGE difference it made. so if he, along with my doctor, says splenda isnt good for me, then i'll listen

    sorry, sometimes i tend to just make statements without making it clear that its just my opinion. apologys guys.

    and do you REALLY eat 20 packs a day? or were you just trying to make a point?
    Last edited by htxRed; 04-11-2005 at 04:34 PM.
    Reply With Quote

  10. #10
    Peanut Butter-muncher taffer's Avatar
    Join Date: Dec 2003
    Location: Australia
    Age: 35
    Posts: 5,004
    Rep Power: 696
    taffer has a spectacular aura about. (+250) taffer has a spectacular aura about. (+250) taffer has a spectacular aura about. (+250) taffer has a spectacular aura about. (+250) taffer has a spectacular aura about. (+250) taffer has a spectacular aura about. (+250) taffer has a spectacular aura about. (+250) taffer has a spectacular aura about. (+250) taffer has a spectacular aura about. (+250) taffer has a spectacular aura about. (+250) taffer has a spectacular aura about. (+250)
    taffer is offline
    personally i dont like to eat anything artificial, i may have splenda once a week as a treat, but thats all

    if you just want some sugar in your coffee or tea, just use a teaspoon of real sugar, only 16cal/tsp, not going to kill you, but dont go crazy and doing that 5x a day
    Reply With Quote

  11. #11
    Registered User Nicky M's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2005
    Location: NY
    Posts: 41
    Rep Power: 0
    Nicky M has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    Nicky M is offline
    I wasn't really concerned too much about this "article" personally because I don't drink sodas or any type of soft drinks except an occasional Red Bull. The only thing I may have with artificial sweeteners is sugarless gum (Trident). I mostly posted this because I've never seen it mentioned on the news or in the paper... or maybe I never looked for it. I just get annoyed when people publish/write stupid books and email and articles about nonsense making people worried that "artificial sugar" will be the death of the world. Thanks for clearing it up guys.
    Reply With Quote

  12. #12
    Registered User mxboardin09's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2005
    Location: Long Island, NY
    Age: 34
    Posts: 359
    Rep Power: 192
    mxboardin09 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) mxboardin09 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) mxboardin09 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) mxboardin09 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) mxboardin09 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) mxboardin09 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) mxboardin09 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) mxboardin09 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) mxboardin09 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) mxboardin09 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) mxboardin09 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    mxboardin09 is offline
    Sugar substitutes have Phenylalanine in them, and while it is not harmful to regular, healthy people, a very small population of people have Phenylketonuria (PKU) which is a disease that makes their bodies unable to process Phenylalanine and it becomes toxic (and deadly) once it builds up in their bodies. If you don't have PKU, sugar substitutes should be fine.
    "I'd rather fail in originality than succeed in imitation."

    Age - 21 yrs
    Height - 6'1
    Weight - 216 lbs
    Reply With Quote

  13. #13
    Registered User xxghostxx's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2003
    Age: 37
    Posts: 5,068
    Rep Power: 4209
    xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    xxghostxx is offline
    Originally Posted by mxboardin09
    Sugar substitutes have Phenylalanine in them, and while it is not harmful to regular, healthy people, a very small population of people have Phenylketonuria (PKU) which is a disease that makes their bodies unable to process Phenylalanine and it becomes toxic (and deadly) once it builds up in their bodies. If you don't have PKU, sugar substitutes should be fine.
    Aspartame contains phenylalanine, not all sweeteners. Pogue has covered it pretty well in a sticky at the top of the board:
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=291569
    Unaffiliated.
    Reply With Quote

  14. #14
    Registered User imogene-runner's Avatar
    Join Date: Apr 2003
    Location: New England
    Age: 59
    Posts: 12
    Rep Power: 0
    imogene-runner has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    imogene-runner is offline

    Mixed Bag

    Originally Posted by Nicky M
    Aspartame & MS [your health]..........
    This also applies to cases of tinnitus and fibromyalgia.
    Mixture of accurate and inaccurate information. For example, the following independent study linked aspartame use to fibromyalgia symptoms:

    Smith, J.D., C.M. Terpening, S. Schmidt, J. Gums, 2001. "Relief of Fibromyalgia Symptoms Following Descontinuation of Dietary Excitotoxins," Annals of Pharmacotherapy, Volume 35, pages 702-706, 2001

    The following study demonstrated significant accumulation of formaldehyde in the brain and liver following short-term exposure to 10 mg/kg of aspartame (as part of the experiment):

    Trocho, C., et al. "Formaldehyde Derived From Dietary Aspartame Vinds to Tissue Components in vivo," Life Sciences, Vol. 63, No. 5, pp. 337+, 1998

    The following report correlated funding sources and aspartame research outcomes:

    http://www.dorway.com/peerrev.html

    On the other hand, most independent researchers do not believe that aspartame causes MS. But there have been reports of MS misdiagnosis
    and/or MS-like symptoms including a former board poster. Dr. Blaylock discussed some of these issues in a letter to the Minneapolis Neuropathy Association here:

    http://www.dorway.com/blayport.txt

    There was a presentation to the World Environmental Conference, but that has little to do with the research or this subject. Other symptoms/conditions mentioned in the email you posted:

    vision loss: reported in the scientific literature and to the FDA, but not tested in controlled human studies.

    tinnitus: Ocassionally reported to the FDA, but never tested in scientific studies.

    lupus: Case reports of symptoms lessening in some cases.

    add/adhd: Not really relevent to aspartame in the sense that so many things can effect persons with add that trying to isolate one ingested substance in small studies is a waste of time as discussed at:
    http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame...e.htm#behavior

    memory loss: two independent human studies linking aspartame ingestion to adverse effects on memory. One industry study (I believe) showing the opposite.

    As with any scientific subject, look for the independent scientists who have actually conducted studies on the subject and query them. It's the best way to get through the BS from corporate PR, wild emails, industry consultants, persons unfamiliar with the research, etc.
    Reply With Quote

  15. #15
    Liftin Like A Motha.. MrBRoc's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2005
    Location: New York
    Age: 36
    Posts: 387
    Rep Power: 190
    MrBRoc has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) MrBRoc has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) MrBRoc has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) MrBRoc has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) MrBRoc has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) MrBRoc has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) MrBRoc has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) MrBRoc has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) MrBRoc has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) MrBRoc has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    MrBRoc is offline
    I myself use a good amount of splenda on a daily basis due to the fact im diabetic and dont have much else of a choice.. but i can tell you this much i cut down alot and i havent been getting headaches near as bad as i used to.. also i suffer from panic attacks im pretty sure most of my issues are linked to the years of all the aspartame and stuff that i have taken.. i am gonna try and go cold turkey no sugar period =o( but i will see how things go with that
    No Pain..No Gain.. Remain The Same...
    Reply With Quote

  16. #16
    Registered User US_Ranger's Avatar
    Join Date: Apr 2005
    Location: California, United States
    Age: 38
    Posts: 30,610
    Rep Power: 109033
    US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    US_Ranger is offline
    Originally Posted by gaberox
    well I eat about 20 splenda packets a day somtimes more
    and Ive never been leaner, especially compared to times ive eaten a lot of sugar.Ask your doctor to prove that to you.People are just scared of new things they dont understand.If artifical sugar made you fat I deffinatly would
    not have the body I have today.

    Taking crack almost makes you lean, is that good for you?
    Reply With Quote

  17. #17
    Registered User US_Ranger's Avatar
    Join Date: Apr 2005
    Location: California, United States
    Age: 38
    Posts: 30,610
    Rep Power: 109033
    US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) US_Ranger has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    US_Ranger is offline
    Here is a link to some more information about Splenda. Take it for what you want. I use Splenda (sparingly) because I can't drink tea without some kind of sweetener.

    http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_dangers.htm

    I'm thinking of switching to organic honey or sugar and just use a tiny little bit.
    Reply With Quote

  18. #18
    Registered User Wurtis15's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2004
    Age: 36
    Posts: 336
    Rep Power: 0
    Wurtis15 has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) Wurtis15 has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) Wurtis15 has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) Wurtis15 has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) Wurtis15 has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) Wurtis15 has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) Wurtis15 has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) Wurtis15 has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) Wurtis15 has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) Wurtis15 has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) Wurtis15 has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10)
    Wurtis15 is offline

    Omg, you ate sugar once?!

    Originally Posted by taffer
    personally i dont like to eat anything artificial, i may have splenda once a week as a treat, but thats all

    if you just want some sugar in your coffee or tea, just use a teaspoon of real sugar, only 16cal/tsp, not going to kill you, but dont go crazy and doing that 5x a day
    Don't you know that you'll gain like 1000 lbs?!

    My sister's friend's dad ate some sugar once and weighs like 400 lbs, lol wtf!

    Jokers.
    Reply With Quote

  19. #19
    BBoy King gaberox's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2005
    Location: Watching the NFL network
    Age: 43
    Posts: 1,669
    Rep Power: 272
    gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50) gaberox will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    gaberox is offline

    Wink

    Originally Posted by htxRed
    yea but you're a bboy, im sure you're more inshape then the average joe, i should know i tried to learn breakin, didnt work out. haha. i got the 6 step down though.

    and haywood, i dont even know what you just said, but the gist i got from my brother and doctor explaining it to me, and the lil research i did, i concluded that basically natural sugars, like sugars in fruit and stuff, have enzymes that help or allow the body break it down almost imediatly, where as processed sugars, such as sweeteners and such, dont, which will most likely cause it to automatically go to fat storage.

    my brother is like my mentor in the world of fitness and health, because of him i've quit smoiking and decreased my alcohol intake greatly. i've also cut out soft drinks and notice the HUGE difference it made. so if he, along with my doctor, says splenda isnt good for me, then i'll listen

    sorry, sometimes i tend to just make statements without making it clear that its just my opinion. apologys guys.

    and do you REALLY eat 20 packs a day? or were you just trying to make a point?
    I really eat upwards of 20 packets a day or more.2-3 cups of coffee with 3-4 packets each.2-3 servings of oats with 3 packets each.protein bars and powders containing sucralose(splenda).sugar free sodas sugar free pudding sugar free jello.Pretty much I consume sugar free foods all day.But aside from this my diet is near perfect.no cheating only high fiber complex carbs super lean protein and healthy fat lots of fiber.one gallon of water a day. But in the past when I have consumed real sugar in all these foods I watched my body go down the drain.
    My memory is fine my vision is normal I never get headaches. I have a ton of energy I hit the gym and
    bboy every day along with a full time job.I dont have a crack body more of a gymnast body which is the usual for a bboy.so if it really is so bad for you then ill post again when im tired blind fat cant remember anything and have a lot of headaches.
    Last edited by gaberox; 04-12-2005 at 06:58 AM.
    Reply With Quote

  20. #20
    450g carbs a day baby tongueincheeeck's Avatar
    Join Date: Dec 2003
    Location: Australia, mate!
    Posts: 369
    Rep Power: 209
    tongueincheeeck has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) tongueincheeeck has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) tongueincheeeck has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) tongueincheeeck has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) tongueincheeeck has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) tongueincheeeck has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) tongueincheeeck has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) tongueincheeeck has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) tongueincheeeck has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) tongueincheeeck has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) tongueincheeeck has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    tongueincheeeck is offline
    Someone needs to get the bottom of this crap... That dorway site is pretty scary stuff...!

    I see a lot of mentions of seizures... What I want to know is, is it dangerous in general, or only a select few?

    YOU CANNOT, I REPEAT, CANNOT IGNORE THIS:

    "Studies of aspartame in the peer reviewed medical literature were surveyed for funding source and study outcome. Of the 166 studies felt to have relevance for questions of human safety, 74 had Nutrasweet® industry related funding and 92 were independently funded. One hundred percent of the industry funded research attested to aspartame's safety, whereas 92% of the independently funded research identified a problem."

    Its official, I am now giving up aspart/phnyl until further notice... This means two food items I will really miss but it must be done
    Reply With Quote

  21. #21
    Registered User xxghostxx's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2003
    Age: 37
    Posts: 5,068
    Rep Power: 4209
    xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    xxghostxx is offline
    Originally Posted by US_Ranger
    Here is a link to some more information about Splenda. Take it for what you want. I use Splenda (sparingly) because I can't drink tea without some kind of sweetener.

    http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_dangers.htm

    I'm thinking of switching to organic honey or sugar and just use a tiny little bit.
    Originally Posted by Quackwatch.org
    Nonrecommended Major Sites

    Each of these sites provides a huge amount of information, most or all of which promotes unsubstntiated theories and/or methods. They may be useful to researchers seeking descriptions of these theories and methods from their proponents. However, they should be avoided by persons seeking high-quality information on which to base a health-related decision.

    * Alternative Medicine Digest
    * Ask Dr. Weil
    * Blended Medicine
    * Doctors Medical Library
    * HealingPeople.com
    * Healthmap.com
    * Health World
    * Healthshop.com
    * Healthwell.com
    * Leading Edge International Research Group
    * Mercola.com
    * MotherNature.com
    * OneBody.com
    * PlanetRx
    * Prevention Magazine
    * SelfCare
    * SupplementWatch
    * VitalCast.com
    * vitaminbuzz
    * WholeHealthMD
    Mercola is not the greatest source....as you can see above
    http://www.quackwatch.org/05Links/othersites.html

    Thanks to Diabolic for posting this before...
    Last edited by xxghostxx; 04-12-2005 at 07:30 AM.
    Unaffiliated.
    Reply With Quote

  22. #22
    Registered User imogene-runner's Avatar
    Join Date: Apr 2003
    Location: New England
    Age: 59
    Posts: 12
    Rep Power: 0
    imogene-runner has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    imogene-runner is offline

    Low carb choices

    Originally Posted by MrBRoc
    I myself use a good amount of splenda on a daily basis due to the fact im diabetic and dont have much else of a choice..
    Hi. More and more choices are becomming available. Some possibilities you may not have heard of:

    1. stevia
    2. lo han fruit extract (lo han concentrate) used in some diet spritzers
    3. ki-sweet
    4. agave nector
    5. yacon root syrup (like molasses)
    6. Rubusoside
    7. Momordicoside

    I don't know about all of these. I've used stevia, lo han, agave nector and yacon root in the past.
    Reply With Quote

  23. #23
    ★Heisenberg★ Haywood Jablome's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2004
    Location: █♣█, Canada
    Posts: 15,768
    Rep Power: 402271
    Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    Haywood Jablome is offline
    Originally Posted by xxghostxx
    Mercola is not the greatest source....as you can see above
    http://www.quackwatch.org/05Links/othersites.html

    Thanks to Diabolic for posting this before...

    That is a good link from Diabolic. Seriously, how many links do you have bookmarked???
    /M\



    Who's High Pitch
    Reply With Quote

  24. #24
    dragging my feet saw14's Avatar
    Join Date: Apr 2004
    Location: Not Pittsburgh, PA
    Age: 36
    Posts: 4,898
    Rep Power: 2734
    saw14 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) saw14 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) saw14 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) saw14 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) saw14 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) saw14 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) saw14 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) saw14 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) saw14 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) saw14 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) saw14 is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    saw14 is offline
    Originally Posted by Haywood Jablome
    That is a good link from Diabolic. Seriously, how many links do you have bookmarked???
    i know ghost has that damn cottage cheese link bookmarked, thats how he always beats me to it. lol.
    this signature was purchased by melon:

    "incongruous penguin"
    Reply With Quote

  25. #25
    Registered User xxghostxx's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2003
    Age: 37
    Posts: 5,068
    Rep Power: 4209
    xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) xxghostxx is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    xxghostxx is offline
    Originally Posted by Haywood Jablome
    That is a good link from Diabolic. Seriously, how many links do you have bookmarked???
    haha maybe sometime I'll take a screen shot of it.

    Originally Posted by saw14
    i know ghost has that damn cottage cheese link bookmarked, thats how he always beats me to it. lol.
    I know, I know, I'll stop linking to it soon. I have an updated cottage cheese, oatmeal, and tuna recipe page in the works
    Unaffiliated.
    Reply With Quote

  26. #26
    Registered Something devil_s haircut's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2005
    Location: Indiana, United States
    Age: 35
    Posts: 1,985
    Rep Power: 2944
    devil_s haircut is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) devil_s haircut is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) devil_s haircut is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) devil_s haircut is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) devil_s haircut is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) devil_s haircut is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) devil_s haircut is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) devil_s haircut is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) devil_s haircut is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) devil_s haircut is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) devil_s haircut is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    devil_s haircut is offline

    Wink

    Originally Posted by htxRed
    and haywood, i dont even know what you just said, but the gist i got from my brother and doctor explaining it to me, and the lil research i did, i concluded that basically natural sugars, like sugars in fruit and stuff, have enzymes that help or allow the body break it down almost imediatly, where as processed sugars, such as sweeteners and such, dont, which will most likely cause it to automatically go to fat storage.
    No, artificial sugars pass through the body like soluble fiber. You can't digest them, so they can't be taken into the body. If they were taken into the body, companies would be required to place a caloric value on the package. Trust me...your body doesn't just randomly store calorie-free crap in your fat stores. We learned all about this stuff in my Human Nutrition classes in college.
    Studies have shown that high doses of sucralose (the chemical name for Splenda) have led to kidney and liver problems...but you get that with high doses of anything. If I eat too much protein, I'll have kidney problems. Either way, sucralose is much safer than asparteme (which is not found in Splenda).
    That's just my 2 cents.
    Reply With Quote

  27. #27
    ★Heisenberg★ Haywood Jablome's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2004
    Location: █♣█, Canada
    Posts: 15,768
    Rep Power: 402271
    Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Haywood Jablome has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    Haywood Jablome is offline

    Thumbs up

    Originally Posted by devil's haircut
    No, artificial sugars pass through the body You can't digest them, so they can't be taken into the body. If they were taken into the body, companies would be required to place a caloric value on the package. Trust me...your body doesn't just randomly store calorie-free crap in your fat stores. We learned all about this stuff in my Human Nutrition classes in college..
    That's what I thought, thanks for clearing that up. How could a chemical compound be converted to a fatty acid for storage?
    /M\



    Who's High Pitch
    Reply With Quote

  28. #28
    Registered User NoSwtTea4U's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2003
    Location: Georgia
    Age: 34
    Posts: 181
    Rep Power: 213
    NoSwtTea4U has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) NoSwtTea4U has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) NoSwtTea4U has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) NoSwtTea4U has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) NoSwtTea4U has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) NoSwtTea4U has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) NoSwtTea4U has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) NoSwtTea4U has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    NoSwtTea4U is offline
    Originally Posted by Haywood Jablome
    That's what I thought, thanks for clearing that up. How could a chemical compound be converted to a fatty acid for storage?
    Sugar is a chemical compound...
    Hi.
    Reply With Quote

  29. #29
    Registered User jasong2gs's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2005
    Location: Charlotte, North Carolina, United States
    Age: 37
    Posts: 1,215
    Rep Power: 409
    jasong2gs will become famous soon enough. (+50) jasong2gs will become famous soon enough. (+50) jasong2gs will become famous soon enough. (+50) jasong2gs will become famous soon enough. (+50) jasong2gs will become famous soon enough. (+50) jasong2gs will become famous soon enough. (+50) jasong2gs will become famous soon enough. (+50) jasong2gs will become famous soon enough. (+50) jasong2gs will become famous soon enough. (+50) jasong2gs will become famous soon enough. (+50) jasong2gs will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    jasong2gs is offline
    Originally Posted by xxghostxx
    Mercola is not the greatest source....as you can see above
    http://www.quackwatch.org/05Links/othersites.html

    Thanks to Diabolic for posting this before...

    its all in what you believe. If you believe in holistic medicine, and natural cures, Dr. Mercola had a great web-site and is very informative.
    HOWEVER, if you believe in Doctors treating the sickness, and the government is not out to get you, than DR. Mercola's site probably wouldnt help much. But I have to say that his article on Flouride was a real eye-opener! Yall should check it out.
    "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese" -Hooters Wet-Nap Wrapper


    NOTE TO SELF: Owe mad reps to
    Reply With Quote

  30. #30
    Texas Raised htxRed's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2005
    Location: h-town
    Age: 36
    Posts: 859
    Rep Power: 208
    htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10) htxRed is on a distinguished road. (+10)
    htxRed is offline
    Originally Posted by NoSwtTea4U
    Sugar is a chemical compound...
    thanks.
    Reply With Quote

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts