I apologize to the good members of this forum who have had to bare witness to the malicious behavior by a certain individual - who I know all to well - that continues to act immaturely, childishly and unprofessionally. That is putting it nicely.
We know who you are where you are and personally, I would like to say to you, that as much as you try to get me upset or cause malicious damage to my character, it is just not going to happen. I would also like to offer you some advice. Spend more time focusing on constructive behavior and doing good and leave the hate a lone. It is just not the type of behavior a man of your faith should be exhibiting.
In regards to Tricreatine Orotate and whether it exists or not, yes it does. The material being used in CLOUT was purchased by my company from the company that has a Patent on the synthesis of this material. Please see U.S. Pat. No. 6,838,562
I forwarded the chemist who made this material your original post that you quickly deleted under the handle Lemony. Nevertheless, this is what he had to say to your post:
RESPONSE FROM THE CHEMIST WHO HAS A PATENT ON THE SYNTHESIS OF Creatine Orotate, Dicreatine Orotate and Tricreatine Orotate:Originally Posted by Lemony
I have to say this guy absolutely has no chemical knowledge. There are two kinds of salting bonds, now, let me have some description on how these bonds formed. The first type is one alkaline molecule donates electrons to an acid molecule, this happens between strong alkali and strong acid, this has to be in 1:1 molecular ratio. The other one is alkaline molecule shares electrons with acid molecule, this happens between weak alkaline and weak acid. This is a relatively loose bond, electrons are floating between moleclules, this provides a wide range of molecule ratio cause the molecules are sharing the electrons, no molecule is exclusively possessing the electrons like the first type. Creatine Orotate is having the second type of bond cause creatine is a weak alkaline, orotic acid is a weak acid. This has nothing to do with the amount of carboxylic radical. The best example is creatine pyruvate, the molecule ratxio range is extremely wide, you could retrieve these US patents 6,172,111, 6,166,249, 5,886,040 to see what happened between creatine and pyruvic acid.
I would also like to personally add that we have made no claims into this being a wonder creatine compound in terms of transport or absorption, although it may prove to be superior in this regards to other creatine salts, this claim just cannot be made. What we do know is that from an additive effect, Creatine + Orotic Acid obviously delivers more ergogenic CLOUT than Creatine alone.
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Thread: CLOUT- Keeping It Real!
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03-18-2005, 10:47 AM #1
CLOUT- Keeping It Real!
Joey Rodrigues
President
HALEO Inc.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/haleo.html
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03-18-2005, 10:53 AM #2
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03-18-2005, 10:58 AM #3Originally Posted by Matt96tegJoey Rodrigues
President
HALEO Inc.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/haleo.html
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03-18-2005, 11:01 AM #4
Forgot to mention I just started taking MAN BodyOctane about 5 days ago...So far it is great...Endurance is pretty incredible and the pumps are too, I also just got off of a CEE product too and my endurance is still going up. Now I just got to find a creatine to stack it with. So far very impressed with BO...I am going to be bringing this into the store within a couple of weeks. (Already have quite a few people who want to try it out).
Do or Die
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03-18-2005, 11:03 AM #5Originally Posted by Matt96teg
That is great. I can send you some CLOUT to try, the only thing is that you have been on CEE for a while, so your muscle phosphocreatine stores are already pretty high. If you can run BODYOCTANE for a month without any creatine, and then possibly add CLOUT to it after a month, that would be great.Joey Rodrigues
President
HALEO Inc.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/haleo.html
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03-18-2005, 11:08 AM #6
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03-18-2005, 11:08 AM #7Originally Posted by J-Rod
I can compare it(CLOUT) to CEE too for the skeptical people. Mainly for the person who thinks CLOUT is BS and just mono with orotic acid.Last edited by Matt96teg; 03-18-2005 at 11:11 AM.
Do or Die
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03-18-2005, 11:13 AM #8
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03-18-2005, 11:15 AM #9Originally Posted by Matt96teg
Originally I was going to use CEE or C-AKG with Orotic Acid in the formula. That is what we are marketing the additive effect. The fact that Tricreatine, Dicreatine, and Creatine Orotate exist, give us some novelty/marketing advantage.
But again, we are referencing studies only on Orotic Acid and Creatine, and Acetyl group doning, mineral deficiencies, phosphorous, etc....
In regards to BODYOCTANE, I think one of the major advantages is that it can help strength, and it certainly helps recovery, but it does not use creatine. I did not want to cheapen the formulation by including creatine in it. We all know that creatine in any size, shape or form, is going to work. For a product to increase performance/strength, etc... without creatine says a lot in my book, and I feel that is why BODYOCTANE has a loyal following, even after the initial clumping disaster.
Nevertheless, I would like your comments on its efficacy, and will be giving out some freebies for people to review....Joey Rodrigues
President
HALEO Inc.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/haleo.html
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03-18-2005, 11:30 AM #16Originally Posted by Doughboy
And, there is no need to pour gasoline on a fire, or perpetuate negativity. It is just not my thing. This guy has been outed many times before...and we all know who he is. And as hard to believe as this sounds, I hold no malice towards the man, and wish him no bad or misfortune.Joey Rodrigues
President
HALEO Inc.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/haleo.html
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03-18-2005, 11:32 AM #17
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03-18-2005, 11:36 AM #19
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"Originally I was going to use CEE or C-AKG with Orotic Acid in the formula. That is what we are marketing the additive effect. The fact that Tricreatine, Dicreatine, and Creatine Orotate exist, give us some novelty/marketing advantage."
Wait, so why didn't u use CEE, i'm not comprehending this statement
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03-18-2005, 11:37 AM #20
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03-18-2005, 11:38 AM #21
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03-18-2005, 11:49 AM #22
O/T J-Rod
I think I read somewhere that the clumping issue w/ BO had been fixed? Do all the supp companies have the new formula. Used this about 5 months w/ good results but unfortunatly got sick and when I got back to the gym the clumping had won. I still use the "Chewy Rock Candy" every once in a while but just wanted to check with you before I placed a new order.
Thanks in advance
Also, I'm taking CEE & Citrulline any suggestions on masking the taste?
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03-18-2005, 11:57 AM #23
We never doubted you J-Rod (but you already knew that and we had your back because of constant display of classiness, manners and cool head when critized), congrats on getting your product out and I hope to buy some after X-Factor and a month of cutting or so.
Since you bought the rights to the patent is the main reason the price is higher than most of us anticipated?Last edited by Zachattack43; 03-18-2005 at 12:03 PM.
"I'm special, you're special. We are all just a bunch of special fcukers!" - Stifler
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03-18-2005, 12:02 PM #24
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03-18-2005, 12:11 PM #25Originally Posted by zachattack43
The price on CLOUT is very good, when you consider the amount of actives in the formula. Especially when compared to other products that would fall in the same product category. And its efficacy in the real world by hard training fitness enthusiasts such as yourself, will prove its value in due time.
Thanks again for the support!Joey Rodrigues
President
HALEO Inc.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/haleo.html
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03-18-2005, 12:15 PM #26
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03-18-2005, 12:32 PM #28
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03-18-2005, 12:33 PM #29
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03-18-2005, 12:54 PM #30Originally Posted by J-Rod
Maybe you could offer a Body Octane + CEE product alongside the original Body Octane, sort of like Marc's done with Neurostim and Caffeine. I agree that Body Octane is great by itself, but I thought I would suggest this because I've used a Body Octane/Bulk CEE stack and definitely got better results with it than any other creatine product I've ever tried(and I've tried many). Anyway, I look forward to trying CLOUT and wish you continued success in the industry.
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