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    The Xtend "IV" Experiment

    After seeing the incredible results Scivation president Marc got from sipping on Xtend all day, I decided to follow in his lead and start massive dosing Xtend. Another thing that made me decide to do this is I've always seen the best results when I am supplementing with high amounts of BCAA (i.e. when I used Leptigen and another time when I was using 30 grams of ICE and day).

    We know that Leucine is the key regulator of the mTOR signaling pathway, which regulates protein synthesis and enhances glycogen synthesis activity in muscle and Leptin expression in adipocytes.

    Isoleucine stimulates insulin-independent glucose uptake in skeletal muscle, which will lower plasma glucose levels.

    I ran into an interesting study that showed Valine to reduce fatty acid synthase in adipocytes by 40% (in rats)[1], which would me less fat storage.

    So I am intrigued. There is a lot of interesting research on BCAA and more is continuously being learned about them.

    I'll update my stats and other on here on Sunday.

    1. Taylor WM, Halperin ML. Effect of valine on the control of fatty acid synthesis in white adipose tissue of the rat. Can J Biochem. 1975 Oct;53(10):1054-60.
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    sounds interesting, just a little expensive.
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    How much are you going to be taking now bro?
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    This is great Derek!

    I am up to 220lbs now from 190 in January. I have no clue why. I am dieting down and targeting a show on May 25 because I had to postpone the last show due to travel, business and family obligations.

    The only change in my regiment has been adding mega-dosed Xtend and NOxidant. My diet has even been pretty consistent with what I was doing before. Vascularity is more pronounced even at this higher bodyweight and my strength is up.

    I am glad people saw me at the Olympia then at the Arnold so they can confirm that I'm not just making up stats!

    I look forward to seeing your results, Derek!



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    thats unbelievable
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    Gotta admit, both Marc and Derek looked damned good at the Arnold, I'll definitely be following this to see how much Extend can add to someone already as impressive as Derek.
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    Marc how many servings are u taking for mega dosing? I have the small scooper the yellow on I have to take 5 of those to get 1 serving,I just emailed ya back also
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    I had started doing this at the Expo and continued doing it when I got home because I became sick (so about 6-7 days so far) and I already notice an increase in vascularity.

    Xtend, per serving (2 scoops) is:
    L-Leucine 3.5 g
    L-Isoleucine 1.75 g
    L-Valine 1.75 g
    L-Glutamine 2.5 g
    Vitamin B6 10 mg
    Citrulline Malate 1 g
    So 7 grams total BCAA per serving

    My dosing will probably be:
    Workout days
    7:45 (Pre-workout) 1 serving
    8-9:15 (During Workout) 1 serving
    9:30 (Post Workout) 1 serving
    Then 3 more servings sipped throughout the day
    Total BCAA = 42 grams
    I may also drink a serving in the middle of the night when I wake up to use the bathroom, so a total of about 50 grams BCAA a day.

    I'll post my diet, training split, and stats on Sunday.
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    I've been telling people to do this for 2 years now, glad someone finally caught on.
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    It really is anabolic. Dave knows his stuff.

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    I have only talked to Dave , I have not seen him. I will be in Vegas for sure so hopefully will get a chance to meet all

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    I've been telling people to do this for 2 years now, glad someone finally caught on.
    You were the reason why I started using Free form amino acids in the first place (ICE and Vendetta)... about 2 years ago (he wasn't lying folks!).

    I'll keep you guys up to date
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    definately interested. But question: Is only 3 extra throughout the day enough? If I remember correctly Marc was putting it in all of his water he consumed.
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    If I could afford to do this it would be great lol
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    If I could afford to do this it would be great lol
    Same here...Even though I get things at cost it's still to spendy. I guess I will settle for BCAA's during workout.
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    if you're only after the bcaa's you can, someone invented bulk powders for a reason


    190-220 in 2 months is freakin impressive though, i wonder if we all underestimate the power of bcaa's, gonna start mega dosing them myself now!


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    cheap, qaulity bulk BCAA. just add your own flavoring for ****s and giggles.

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    Originally Posted by Scivation
    This is great Derek!

    I am up to 220lbs now from 190 in January.

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    Are you saying you put on 30lbs of muscle in 2 months using BCAA's?? LOL
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    cheap, qaulity bulk BCAA. just add your own flavoring for ****s and giggles.

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sf/bcaa.html

    hmm good call jedi. This sounds intersting I might actually try this. IF I took 2 scoops at a time for something like 6-7 times a day that would be 60-70 grams of bcaas a day. Damn i might do this, jsut gotta get some money haha
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    yeah except that price really isn't all that cheap
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    I would just buy some bulk Leucine next time I order Xtend. Sounds very interesting Derek.
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    Originally Posted by doggzj
    If I remember correctly Marc was putting it in all of his water he consumed.
    I have done this with Nitrojet for the past year. I add a few servings each time I drink water and end up with an extra 30 grams of amino acids each day. Not quite as extreme as Beast's experiment, but it has been effective for me.

    Hard to quantify exactly how many pounds of muscle I can attribute to this, but I have had a great year for me in terms of size and strength.
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    I'm just going to fill up a gallon jug when I get home from the gym and put the 3 servings (6 scoops) in it. I'm going to gather some studies on BCAA then post them here later today.
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    i am pretty sure board member sixthsense is a big fan of sipping on a similar glutamine + BCAA cocktail throughout the day.
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    how do you guys manage to drink BCAA's?? The obviously dont mix mix well, and they get caught in my throat, thats one of the reasons I like Beverlys BCAA tablets.

    is there anyway to make them more drinkable??
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    Originally Posted by Scivation
    This is great Derek!

    I am up to 220lbs now from 190 in January. I have no clue why. I am dieting down and targeting a show on May 25 because I had to postpone the last show due to travel, business and family obligations.

    The only change in my regiment has been adding mega-dosed Xtend and NOxidant. My diet has even been pretty consistent with what I was doing before. Vascularity is more pronounced even at this higher bodyweight and my strength is up.

    I am glad people saw me at the Olympia then at the Arnold so they can confirm that I'm not just making up stats!

    I look forward to seeing your results, Derek!



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    Up 30 pounds since in 3 months? thats amazing. thats like a super mesomorph, new to lifting, on steroids, 400g protein per day... and more. wow. i bet u got some massive stretch marks...
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    As much as I have come to respect and admire Derek for the contributions he has made to this site, I have to question his motives for promoting "massive doses" of BCAA's.

    If you're starving, hooked up to an IV, or somehow incredibly deficient in your daily protein consumption, then yes, I can understand the massive BCAA supplementation. But for bodybuilders??

    Come on man, don't influence all those young guys to go spend what little cash they have on these supplements.


    http://www.vitacost.com/science/hn/S...ain_Aminos.htm


    Some research has shown that BCAA supplementation (typically 10-20 grams per day) does not result in meaningful changes in body composition,3 nor does it improve exercise performance4 5 6 7 8 or enhance the effects of physical training.9 10 However, BCAA supplementation may be useful in special situations, such as preventing muscle loss at high altitudes11 and prolonging endurance performance in the heat.12 Studies by one group of researchers suggest that BCAA supplementation may also improve exercise-induced declines in some aspects of mental functioning.13 14 15
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    I've just put 2 bottles of Xtend in my cart, finalizing yet another $300+ BB.com order. I'm going to give this mega dosing a try as well. I only have another 6 months of single life left, so my days of putting money into supps instead of college accounts is numbered.
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    The purpose is to experiment with supraphysiological levels of BCAA, specifically leucine.

    People have always gotten good results from HIGH protein diets, yet studies show that anything over 1 g/lb really won't do much.

    Beverly international's athletes always get incredible results from taken BCAA/Liver Tabs between or will meals. These are extra BCAA added to their high protein diets.

    "Come on man, don't influence all those young guys to go spend what little cash they have on these supplements."

    If this works well, I would much rather have the young guys buy BCAA instead of steroids or Nitrotech...

    As for my motives, to freakin see if it works. I don't get any money from doing this. I don't get any money for Xtend sales. I'm doing it in the name of science and experiment.

    Originally Posted by JohnnyThrice
    As much as I have come to respect and admire Derek for the contributions he has made to this site, I have to question his motives for promoting "massive doses" of BCAA's.

    If you're starving, hooked up to an IV, or somehow incredibly deficient in your daily protein consumption, then yes, I can understand the massive BCAA supplementation. But for bodybuilders??

    Come on man, don't influence all those young guys to go spend what little cash they have on these supplements.


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