Cardio is aerobic endurance. It wont help anaerobic endurance. Water, carbs, time and patience. This program is running primarily on glucose. That's water and carbs. The secondary system is ATP but because of the rep range it doesn't have the same importance that it would have with the 5x5s. Even still, if you aren't using creatine....START! 5 grams per day just might do the trick. Make sure you are hydrated. Some fruit an hour before a work out and Gatorade during a work out. These are the things that I would try.
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Thread: A Simple Beginner's Routine
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02-24-2010, 02:59 PM #2701
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02-24-2010, 03:28 PM #2702
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02-24-2010, 03:32 PM #2703
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02-24-2010, 05:15 PM #2704
So its your body weight x 10 if your cutting... Does it matter how old you are Teenager/adult?? Also is this with just the weights what if i add some cardio?? I just want to make sure i don't go in to starvation mode or start losing muscle that i worked for
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02-24-2010, 07:15 PM #2705
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I went to my local Sports Authority and they did not have any 1.25 lb plates, so I will look elsewhere for them. Until than would it be o.k. if I used my light set up for my medium day? I am working on dumbbells and my work set is 25 lbs. So should I just lift at 20lbs for my work set on both medium and light days. Keep in mind I am stating the weight for each dumbbell so it would be a total difference of 10 lbs.
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02-24-2010, 07:31 PM #2706
That's not what I'm asking though. What I want to know is how much rest time should I be putting between exercises. Not sets. Like for example after I finish benches how long is the recommended rest time before I start my next exercise which would be the bent over rows.
As far as time between work sets go. I read aways back in this thread that it was acceptable to up the rest between sets to 2 minutes if you had to but no more. So I was just curious if it would be considered cheating if I did this but just for certain exercises on the heavy days of weeks 4 and 5 to make sure I get the reps in. Like mainly bench and OHP seem to give me the most problems. So far I've used 1 minute 30 second rests between work sets religiously.
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02-24-2010, 10:03 PM #2707
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02-24-2010, 10:03 PM #2708
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02-24-2010, 11:56 PM #2709
I have been doing this routine for over a month now and find it a bit boring, i will stick at it for a few more months and then work on a split program.
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02-25-2010, 12:12 PM #2710
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02-25-2010, 12:13 PM #2711
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02-25-2010, 12:14 PM #2712
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02-25-2010, 12:16 PM #2713
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02-26-2010, 08:12 AM #2714
I just finished light day, week 3. For some reason, today was too easy. I felt like I barely did anything today. Maybe that is a good thing. :0) I'm looking forward to week 4 and week 5. I'm ready for the pain. :0)
1-1-2010 239 lbs.
2-1-2010 226 lbs.
3-1-2010 220 lbs.
4-1-2010
Goal is 175lbs
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02-26-2010, 08:36 AM #2715
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I don't cycle creatine at all. The only problem I've ever seen reported was dehydration. Creatine needs water to get into the muscle and doesn't seem to have a problem taking it from everywhere else. I wouldn't be overly concerned with water weight while cutting unless you're a competitive bodybuilder coming up on a competition.
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02-26-2010, 01:36 PM #2716
Finished week 3. (Currently on 4th cycle) I'm starting to experience soreness in the lower back/upper glute area. Never experienced this before. I'm guessing it's from the squats, or the rows...or even possibly the SLDLs
Out of curiosity, is this soreness my body responding to the higher weight/reps? Because in the past few months of doing this routine I have never experienced this type of soreness so I'm assuming it's not because of my form. (I have also succeeded in increasing weight for every cycle in squat/rows/sldl)
Also, how can I speed up the healing of muscle soreness? I refuse to skip a workout because of DOMS so I plan to lift in pain if necessary.Endorphin rush = feels good man
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02-26-2010, 01:43 PM #2717
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You're coming up on 20 weeks of training and fatigue is probably building up even with the minor built in deload. You might want to take a week off after you complete this cycle and see if that helps. If it doesn't then reduce the frequency to twice per per week. Try 2 heavy work outs to start with.
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02-26-2010, 08:03 PM #2718
Im switching from school back to work on monday, at school I was doin a 4 day split in the mornings before class. Now that im back to work I wont have those times available to me.
So 2 questions:
1) Since I will only have time to workout on days off ( Fri, Sat, Sun) should I do just the 2 work days on friday and sunday as you mentioned in your last post.
The gym I'll be going to DOESNT have a squat rack or a free weight bench press. This is because it is a 24hr gym and liabilty issues. Its my wifes gym and to add me as a member is only 15 dollars more a month opposed to a min 45 membership anywhere else.
2) How heavily should I weigh the factor that the gym only has a smith machine to do squats, sldl and bench press.
Its more economical to do this gym obviously but Im thnking for now, since I just started working out 4 weeks ago that the smith would suffice untill i get to a point where I can say "Its time to get free weight squats, sldl, and bench presses and switch gyms regardless of the cost". Would you agree?
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02-27-2010, 07:44 AM #2719
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02-27-2010, 08:41 AM #2721
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I have had great gains off of this program. The magic was not changing anything but I understand your choice. Pay the extra 15 and go free weights. Search this thread for "smith" and you will probably run into a post by AP saying bad things about it. Free weight squats are amazing. Favorite exercise next to SLDL.
Use the search function.
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02-27-2010, 11:31 AM #2722
Alright ... so I have asked question after question ... researched and thought it all over. I just finished up a program yesterday ... so next week I start this program (exactly as it is outlined, not going to do the 6-10 rep but instead do 8-12 rep). I will spend the week nailing down what my 10 rep max is for each exercise ... kinda a week 0. Attached is a spread sheet I made to make the math easier. Maybe someone can use it, maybe not. Just fill in your working weight in cells B4 through B10 and it will populate the rest of the spread sheets for cycle 1 through 5.
Two final question ...
What do you do if your 25% and 50% of working set is less than the 45lb barbell? Are db's acceptable to use for warmup sets in this case?
Doing the spread sheet made me realize that upping weight percentage wise will ultimately make you fail to progress since it will not be linear. For example ... if your working weight is 100lbs week 1 the progression in weight will be 10%, or 10lbs. But at the end of week 5 that progression is now around 15lbs. Wouldn't it be better to go up 5lbs at a time ... or maybe 10lbs at time from cycle to cycle?Last edited by FloridaGator; 02-27-2010 at 11:34 AM.
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02-27-2010, 02:09 PM #2723
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02-28-2010, 12:04 AM #2724"The Iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that you're a god or a total bastard. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. The Iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds." ~Henry Rollins
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02-28-2010, 04:56 AM #2725
All Pro I have followed the program exactly for 4 cycles (previously was doing rippetoes for over a month). I am surprised there hasn’t been more question on your intermediate program.
I know the beginner program is OK for a cut but would the intermediate program be as good for a cut?
I have learned a ton from reading this thread but I was curious about the accessory work you cut the weight and do 20 reps what is the science behind this?
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02-28-2010, 05:42 AM #2726
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You aren't seeing my little math trick with the progression because of the way that I set the program up. I did that on purpose. I know that each time you complete 2x12 you're right around 67.5% of your 1 rep max. 67.5 x 1.1= 74.25%. That's about a 10 rep max. The way that I set it up stops most people from thinking about the weight on the bar. That allows them to concentrate on getting the reps with out stressing over how much they're lifting and it allows joints, bones and tendons to get stronger before the weight goes up. Remember that the program was designed for beginners.
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02-28-2010, 05:47 AM #2727
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You could probably survive it on a cut but progress would be murder. It will suffer just like any of the other 5x5s. Some people tolerate it well and are willing to put up with the slow progress. Others get very frustrated. The good part is that the high rep assistance work would do just fine. The problems tend to show up in the 3 low rep exercises. If you run a cut for weeks and then the next cycle run a maintenance diet it should work out just fine. The reason you don't see much interest in thintermediatete program is because the over whelming number of posters in this section are beginners.
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02-28-2010, 07:01 AM #2728
Alright ... gotcha. Learned a lot from this thread, directly and indirectly. Though it is for beginners I don't think it could really be limited to beginners. To me it looks like something to cycle back into every once in a while ... a cycle within cycles if you will.
First workout is tomorrow as I try to nail down my 10 rep max for each exercise. Will go through the workout MWF this week trying to gauge in on what weight is my start weight and then it is balls to the walls next week. My goal is to get through 5 cycles and then change up the workout! Thanks for the help!"The Iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that you're a god or a total bastard. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. The Iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds." ~Henry Rollins
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02-28-2010, 10:11 PM #2729
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02-28-2010, 10:12 PM #2730
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