(I'm relatively new to these forums, so I hope that I get this all correct)
Today I'm starting an 8-week 600mg/day cycle of 6-OXO (Ergopharm). My goals:
-- break through the training plateau I'm currently at
-- add five pounds of mass (it will be a bulking cycle)
-- if I'm successful in adding mass, applying it to a cutting cycle afterward to drop BF into the upper single digits
Current stats:
Age: 44
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 177
12% BF measured in October; have probably cut this down slightly since
Started strength training seriously about three years ago; I didn't measure or seriously keep track when I started, but would guestimate that I was at about 190lbs. and 25% BF at the beginning. I overdid cardio starting out, and dropped to 160lbs in the first six months, and have been struggling to gain mass since, though the struggling has yielded some results. I'm real close to my goal at this point (between 180 and 185lbs. @ 8-9% BF), but am kind of "stuck" where I'm currently at and am attempting to break the plateau.
I plan to break up the daily dosage into 300mg morning and 300mg evening.
Additional supplements:
Animal Pak (one pack daily)
VPX CEX Creatine Ester (two servings, pre- and post-, on weight training days; one serving on non weight training days )
Beverly Joint Care (Glucosamine/Condroitin/MSM stack, 3 gelcaps daily)
Whey or whey/casein protein powder (not religious about brand, only that it be chocolate flavored and not have too much maltodextrin, if any -- lately I'm liking Muscle Milk and ISS Whey Power)
Diet will consist primarily of chicken breast, eye round steak, and egg whites for protein; brown/basmati rice, whole wheat bread, oats, and fruits and vegetables for carbohydrates; ground flax meal and natural peanut butter for essential fats. 5-6 meals per day. Occasional MRP bars here and there when life gets in the way of eating real food (will minimize this as much as possible). Might consider switching flax oil with fish oil at some point. Will aim for 3000-3500 calories per day.
Training during the cycle:
Monday: 50-60 min. chest/shoulders/triceps; 45 min. cardio
Tuesday: 50-60 min. legs
Wednesday: 50-60 min. abdominals; 45 min. cardio
Thursday: 50-60 min. back/biceps
Friday: 50-60 min. legs; 45 min. cardio
Saturday: rest
Sunday: rest
May alternate upper body workouts every other week.
Weekly benchmarks will consist of:
-- body weight
-- 1RM bench press
-- # of body weight pullups (palms out, four sets, one minute rest between sets)
Will also have skinfold BF measurement taken at end of 8-week cycle, to see if I gained mass, or got fat...
Any comments, suggestions, criticisms, or requests to get lost welcomed.
C.K.
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Thread: 6-OXO (non-PH) Cycle Journal
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12-19-2004, 05:58 PM #1
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6-OXO (non-PH) Cycle Journal
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12-19-2004, 06:05 PM #4
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Originally Posted by bigpump23
You do make a good point about the outcome, though. It was just that I seemed to see a lot of guys here getting good results with CEE, and thought I'd give it a shot. If I do a second 6-OXO cycle in the summer, I'll cycle off of the CEE for that one.
C.K.
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12-25-2004, 12:14 PM #12
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Originally Posted by bigcalves
Exercises include bench leg raises, incline situps, planks (up to two minutes each on these now), roman chair side raises, seated chunches, etc.
C.K.
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12-25-2004, 12:28 PM #13
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Originally Posted by bigcalves
O/T big Calves you nitwit. I gave that man a suggestion which I later deleted. But considering his age(62) going on HRT would do miracles for him. Infact, had he gone to a doctor to get blood tests, his doc might have suggested to same. Next time you decide to give someone neg. rep, understand whats going on and take the whole thing into consideration.
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First Update
I am going to adjust my two CEE doses on workout days to first thing in the morning and one-half hour before workout (instead of pre- and post-workout).
I am also going to adjust the strength benchmark for chest to number of reps with 90 lb. dumbbells, on flat bench adjusted up one notch in back (which is the last set of my first exercise on chest/shoulder/tricep day). This way I can accomplish the measurement without a spot -- my workout partner has not been showing up at the gym very much over the past few weeks, and I don't want to have to depend on him being there. 90s are pretty much my upper limit right now; some days I can get them aloft, some days not, and I back off to 85s to complete the set if I can't.
I will baseline the bench presses and pullups this week, and note changes each week after.
As far as supplements go: I posted in another thread that the CEE seems to be kicking in now, having got a good, noticable upper arm pump on Thursday, but no appreciable strength gains yet. The 6-OXO has been pretty quiet thus far, though I was having some pretty good mood swings in the middle of the week (not sure if I can positively attribute this to the 6-OXO), and some of the REM sleep dreams I've been having have been pretty bizarre -- again, I can't positively connect it, but am just noting it. I'm expecting it to take a couple of weeks into the cycle for any definite changes to kick in, if they are going to.
C.K.
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12-25-2004, 01:14 PM #17
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Originally Posted by ozcoltsfan
In fact, seeing a bottle in a locked display cabinet alongside the PHs at the store I usually go to was how I first found out about 6-OXO, and I did the research on it afterward (I wasn't into the online discussion forums at the time).
C.K.
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Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold
C.K.
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12-25-2004, 03:39 PM #20
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12-25-2004, 03:47 PM #21Originally Posted by stahlhart
the "post workout" mindset also is misleading when it comes to ingestion of carbs and amino acids. recent research has shown that ingestion of carbs and aminos BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER leads to much better physiological responses (glycogen depostion, protein balance in muscle) than just taking it after
i formulated a drink to be sipped before during and after workouts. it will be released very soon
i suggest drinking your CEE before though, if only for the reason that it tastes so nasty that the only way i can see getting it down is in one shot
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12-25-2004, 04:49 PM #22
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I've actually gotten used to the taste of the CEX pretty quickly, and have no trouble getting it down now. I'm taking it with a sufficient amount of water which dilutes the nastiness somewhat. Only real shock to the system was the first time (bleh).
As long as I have your attention here now -- am I doing okay splitting the 6-OXO into morning and evening 300mg doses, as I have done so far for the first week? As opposed to, say, all 600mg in the evening?
C.K.
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12-27-2004, 03:44 PM #23
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Today was chest/shoulders/triceps day. Baseline for DB bench press (bench back raised one notch): 60lb x 12, 70lb x 10, 80lb x 8, 90lb x 6. I worked the 90s set to failure; tried to get a 7th rep, but it wasn't there. This was the first time I had ever set the back of the bench up one notch for "flat" DB presses -- am guessing that the slight incline added some challenge to the move, versus horizontal.
Definitely getting a pump in the upper arms from the CEX. I still haven't gotten the energy boost that some other here have reported, but will give that more time. Today overall was somewhat subdued; sometimes I have trouble getting motivated when I work out alone, and really have to push myself to keep it going; today was one of those days.
Thursday I will baseline bodyweight pullups.
Weight currently at 180lbs., up a little bit.
C.K.
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