some SUPPLEMENT questions

**GoTeN1785** · 08-14-2002, 01:30 AM

Hello

I was wondering what is the importance of flax seed oil? I know it has a large amount of calories but is there any other effects of taking it? I looked it up in the forums but everyone just takes it in there weight gainers and stuff. Also Zinc, i see that it is used to replenish the zinc in your body and to bring your testosterone to normal levels. So this supplement should only be taken at night? What else does this supplement do since so many people take ZMA? also one last nutritional question. Do you guys eat before you go to sleep when bulking?

Thanks

**dio** · 08-14-2002, 06:43 AM

1. Flaxseed oil is a good source of healthy fats, including essiential fatty acids. The essiential there means that your body cannot produce them on its own so you have to eat them.

2. Gainers are junk

3. Zinc is good if you are zinc deficient, which is possibel if you train heavily and skimp on your diet. You can take regular zinc at night but I think that copper(or some other mineral) inhibits your body's absorption of zinc -- so it's best to take it separate from your multivitamin.

4. When bulking I try to take in some slow digesting protein before I go to bed. Good choices include cottage cheese, meat and protein blends with casein.

**97LT1** · 08-14-2002, 07:25 AM

Flaxseed oil is great. At 2 tablespoons a day.

Barlean's anyone?

**REN** · 08-14-2002, 10:59 AM

yeah i really need to pick some of that stuff up

**petefox** · 08-14-2002, 11:11 AM

Calcium blocks zinc absorbtion, most gainers are junk with the exception of N-LargeII, flax oil aslo helps with joint inflammation, not that type of joint you pothead!!

**J-Rod** · 08-14-2002, 11:29 AM

I consider EFA's to be the most anabolic nutrients in existent and sadly underated. By religously supplementing with CLA and flaxseed oil(omega-3, 6 and 9) one will notice steady improvements over time in their physique.

UDOS Choice makes a great dietary essential fatty acid formulation if you are interested.

**dio** · 08-14-2002, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by J-Rod
I consider EFA's to be the most anabolic nutrients in existent and sadly underated. By religously supplementing with CLA and flaxseed oil(omega-3, 6 and 9) one will notice steady improvements over time in their physique.

UDOS Choice makes a great dietary essential fatty acid formulation if you are interested.

I agree 100%, but you left out Fish oil.

**dio** · 08-14-2002, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by petefox
Calcium blocks zinc absorbtion, most gainers are junk with the exception of N-LargeII, flax oil aslo helps with joint inflammation, not that type of joint you pothead!!

N-Large is junk like the rest.

**J-Rod** · 08-14-2002, 12:19 PM

eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) are both members of the omega-3 group of essential fatty acids. EPA and DHA are found in fatty fish such as salmon, herring and fresh tuna. They have many health properties and are highly protective against sudden cardiac death. Alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) is an omega-3 fatty acid found in flaxseed and flaxseed oil. ALA can be converted to EPA in the body by the liver. EPA, in turn, can be converted to DHA. It should be noted that not a very significant amount of ALA converts to EPA. So you are right fish oils should be an important part of the diet for health and longevity purposes. And I did not forget. :-))

**ScorpioGurl** · 08-14-2002, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by J-Rod
I consider EFA's to be the most anabolic nutrients in existent and sadly underated. By religously supplementing with CLA and flaxseed oil(omega-3, 6 and 9) one will notice steady improvements over time in their physique.

UDOS Choice makes a great dietary essential fatty acid formulation if you are interested.

I have Udo's and that black bottle of Flax oil in my fridge.

I always forget to take it though. lol

**petefox** · 08-14-2002, 02:03 PM

4-6gm. CLA everyday, 2 tblsp. flax oil every meal.. So far, since dieting has made me lazy I've managed to dry out my house supply of olive oil!!

**97LT1** · 08-14-2002, 02:40 PM

Anybody here try liquid CLA?

**ScorpioGurl** · 08-14-2002, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by 97LT1
Anybody here try liquid CLA?

nope, I've never seen it before. Is it supposed to be better?

How ya doin' Keith?

**97LT1** · 08-14-2002, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by ScorpioGurl

nope, I've never seen it before. Is it supposed to be better?

How ya doin' Keith?

Hi Steph!

X100
Just let me know when you get that---*wink* *wink*!!

**ScorpioGurl** · 08-14-2002, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by 97LT1
Hi Steph! X100
Just let me know when you get that---*wink* *wink*!!

Oh I will

no sign yet, but I'll send ya a pm A.S.A.P

hehe

Thanks Keith

**97LT1** · 08-14-2002, 03:37 PM

And start using that lil black bottle "babygurl"! It will do ya some good!

**John Benz** · 08-14-2002, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by dio
1. Flaxseed oil is a good source of healthy fats, including essiential fatty acids. The essiential there means that your body cannot produce them on its own so you have to eat them.

2. Gainers are junk

3. Zinc is good if you are zinc deficient, which is possibel if you train heavily and skimp on your diet. You can take regular zinc at night but I think that copper(or some other mineral) inhibits your body's absorption of zinc -- so it's best to take it separate from your multivitamin.

4. When bulking I try to take in some slow digesting protein before I go to bed. Good choices include cottage cheese, meat and protein blends with casein.

Originally posted by dio

N-Large is junk like the rest.

I agree 100% with these 2 posts. Instead of weight gainer use a good MRP, like Beverly's Ultra Size or Optimum Complete Protein Diet. Also, when bulking, it is advantageous to have a low/zero carb protein shake waiting in your fridge for when you get up for that middle of the night bathroom run. If you don't get up at all, you may need to drink more water.

**GoTeN1785** · 08-14-2002, 06:31 PM

Thanks for the help you guys
I am taking flax seed oil daily and that stuff is nasty. The after taste is just horrible but the things we have to do haha

**97LT1** · 08-15-2002, 06:16 AM

What brand are you using? It tastes like grass regardless, but a brand like Udo's Choice or Barlean's should cut down on the "yuck factor".

**dio** · 08-15-2002, 08:05 AM

Spectrum over at the vitamin shoppe is good also. I have never found flax to taste "bad" just different. If it tastes horrible, it could be rancid. Make sure you buy it refrigerated and keep it that way.

**he_hate_me** · 08-15-2002, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by 97LT1
Anybody here try liquid CLA?

VPX thinfat is liquid CLA. looks like a very good price unlike other VPX products. I asked a question about its effectiveness versus he gelcaps a couple days ago but nobody seemed to know.

**ScorpioGurl** · 08-15-2002, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by he_hate_me

VPX thinfat is liquid CLA. looks like a very good price unlike other VPX products. I asked a question about its effectiveness versus he gelcaps a couple days ago but nobody seemed to know.

hopefully somebody will respond this time

:Scorpio sits and listens:

**BIGPOPPAPUMP** · 08-15-2002, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by ScorpioGurl

hopefully somebody will respond this time

:Scorpio sits and listens:

im following you scorp

i responded

**ScorpioGurl** · 08-15-2002, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP

im following you scorp i responded

lmao

hahah.. thanks Poppa

lol

**BIGPOPPAPUMP** · 08-15-2002, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by ScorpioGurl

lmao hahah.. thanks Poppa lol

no problem

**he_hate_me** · 08-15-2002, 08:49 AM

well The 240cc bottle of thinfat has 60 servings supposedly supplying 4.4 gms of CLA each serving, and it costs about $25. now if it is true then the price blows away any other product in the market I ve seen. but the wierd thing is on the supplement fact it says that total fat per serving is 4.4 gms with 600 mgs monounsaturated and 3648 mgs of polyunsaturated fats and then it says 4.4 gms of CLA. Now how in the hell the whole 4.4 gms amount of fat can be CLA considering 600 mgs of 4.4 gms is monounsaturated.
well if u guys look at the product information on bb.com u ll know what i am talking about.

**97LT1** · 08-15-2002, 10:59 AM

I don't **** with VPX products. I wa wondering about a pure CLA oil, like flax, borage ect. Looks like i'll have to try this on my own.

**he_hate_me** · 08-15-2002, 11:13 AM

I have read somewhere that in liquid form CLA looses its effectiveness, it has to be in gelcaps
i dont remember where i read this but i think somebody posted it on sytranx board.
also u dont like VPX products?? well i dont either cuz of their prices but their CLA is so damn cheap and the only one in liquid form rather than gelcaps.

**97LT1** · 08-15-2002, 11:19 AM

90% of this board rates VPX as a scam company. But, i have tried some of their products(like Clen). I only use oils that are cold pressed and freshness dated. Hopefully my trip to the heath foods store will yield me some results.

**he_hate_me** · 08-15-2002, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by 97LT1
90% of this board rates VPX as a scam company. But, i have tried some of their products(like Clen). I only use oils that are cold pressed and freshness dated. Hopefully my trip to the heath foods store will yield me some results.

well let us know too if u find CLA like that even though I doubt it cuz most CLA supplements are safflower/sunflower oil high in 2 CLA isomers. I searched it up on the net in the past but with no luck.
I dunno maybe PA would know something about it cuz i think he was working on the specific isomer benficial to us.

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