not sure if they still like romance and chivalry, but I can't change who I am.
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07-04-2007, 11:01 PM #31
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07-04-2007, 11:18 PM #33
Well actually it does, if you do not pass the logic through the family, then they will have to find out the hard way, or in most cases, they wont find out at all. I hear too many situations where the woman is being disrespected or even worse/beaten. Really sucks because theres not much anyone can do about it besides the woman in the situation. Sorry, got of to a rant there, but thats my .02.
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07-05-2007, 12:01 AM #34
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I love romance, but it's got to come from someone I already have a connection with, and it's got to be personal. Flowers on a first date is trying too hard. Flowers in a combination of his favorite color and mine - that's romantic. Candlelight on a first date is cheesy. Candlelight when we're hanging out at his place, and he knows I've had a stressful week - that's romantic.
Doing too much, too soon doesn't feel like it has to do with me, personally - but more with the idea of romance, or the idea of "what women like"... and in my experience tends to be manipulative. And if a guy makes romantic gestures, and I am still busy with work, or not interested in sex or whatever - then he tends to get pissy - as if the effort and money he spent entitles him to getting laid...
If, however, it comes from the heart, and it's personal - then it doesn't matter what it is - and I love little gifts and gestures that show me he's been thinking about me, and that he pays attention to my needs and my preferences.
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07-05-2007, 12:09 AM #35
How can you tell whether it comes from the heart, or whether he intends the action to get laid? A lot of times its missinturperated for just wanting to get laid, because in most cases a woman assumes all men are the same, just looking for the lay. I wouldnt think flowers on the first date would inquire that, just a good gesture. Thats what I dont understand, most of the time when a man does something good or romatic, all of you assume he has to up to something, or he is trying to hard. But, if he doesnt try too much, than he is disrespectful, so we are riding on a fine line. I guess thats why women are so damn confusing. (No flamming here, just curious)
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07-05-2007, 12:23 AM #36
Depends of the chick. Personally, I think all this "romantic" stuff is there to waste my time. If romantic dinner/walk on the beach takes 1 hour and sex takes 20 minutes, let's do sex and I'll do a 30 minute workout and 30 minutes of programming instead of staring at empty space and listening to bollocks!
Also, I'm 100% sure it's all "just" to get layed. Why do you people say "just"? I mean, why'd he BE with me, if he didn't wanna get layed!? And why'd I be with him, if he didn't wanna get layed!? What would be the point? It's not about being "up to something", it's the very REASON why we're together! So save me the trip to the garbage bin to throw away the flowers (I hate them things, what idiot kills plants so they could slowly detherriorate and rot on their table?!), don't waste my time staring at sunsets (Has a dumber action ever been taken!? Well, except staring at the Moon!), let's get layed and go about our business!
Don't worry tho, if you want to do romantic crapiola, just find a girl that digs that kinda cr@p. You'll know; just try doing it and watch her: if she's staring through you, STOP!Last edited by TurbulentFluid; 07-05-2007 at 12:36 AM.
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07-09-2007, 08:00 AM #39
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Hey hon, flowers on the first date is trying too hard because until a couple knows each other a little bit - the special gestures should wait... and when they do start to know each other, and know that the investment (emotional and monetary) in doing more is worth it, then the specific gestures can be personal... they can be what they know the other person will like.
Women like a little of the thrill of the chase as much as men do... don't give everything on the first date, because then there's no challenge, and there's nothing left to earn. Also, if you wait on things like flowers, she'll know you well enough to understand the intention behind your actions.
What's the rush?
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07-09-2007, 08:41 AM #40
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07-09-2007, 09:01 AM #42
I love getting flowers on the first date...or a teddy bear, got a couple of those from frist dates...How I usually tell if a guy is just trying to get laid is by getting me drunk. Seriously though, bringing me flowers shows respect and some old fashion good manners in my opinion, now taking me to dinner and ordering shots for us and bottle after bottle of wine is pretty much sleezy and no class. Don't loose your manners, bring girls flowers, there is nothing wrong with making someone feel special like that. Plus when a girl who hasn't gotten flowers in like three years gets them, (me) You probably will make her entire month LOL...
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At least this time it was just a few months old, in each recent bump. -_-
Going to toss this out there though, since clearly this isn't dying yet: if you're complaining about being a nice guy, and women for "some mysterious reason" aren't interested, maybe you're more r/niceguys than an actual nice guy. There's being romantic, or chivalrous, and there's being a creep, stalker, or thinking being nice to a girl entitles you to her vag like it's a reward.
Not accusing anyone here of anything I didn't read the whole thread (or maybe I did ten years ago when it was first relevant, I don't remember), but if you think you're being sweet, and women are running from you like you have leprosy, it's not nice gestures they have a problem with.
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