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    for all you aussies, my appeal to legally import product x

    Here is my inital correspondance.

    "I am interested in importing a vitamin supplement from the United States. The supplement seems to have an item, namely 20-hydroxyecdysterone, in its ingredient list. According to Schedule A of the TGA banned substances this cannot be imported, however ironlically is readily available from any supermarket and health food store in Australia. My query is, why is this a banned import?

    Furthermore is it available to be imported with an import permit? if so, can you please provide me details of where to find permit application forms."
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    Just because it's readily available here does not mean it's legal to import, look at dairy products for example.

    In regards to permit, you have to go to your doctor, and they must write a letter to customs seeking a permit. Basically, they have to write why you need this ingredient, and why the availabe ingredients here in aus cannot be used... process takes ~6-8 weeks I think. Then the permit is given under your doctor's name
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    the reason you cant bring in dairy products is more of a quarantining issue rather than an ingredient ban
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    er... quarantine issue... that's exactly the story as the thing you're trying to bring in... it's not illegal, it just requires a permit. Why? our government chooses to be custom nazi's
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    Jeez, that sounds like a pain in the ass to get a permit. My (ex) doctor almost had a heart attack when i said i was taking Whey, rambling about it being contaminated with steroids. Riiiiight. My new one will hopefully be more accommodating, hell she humours me with free blood tests that i don't 'need'
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    on ya Onshow, keep us Aussies informed. I'd rep ya if I could.

    Also to all Aussies Onshow already did it, but I just doubled checked the TGA website and Transform is legal for us to import.
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    dairy has extra constratints for quarantining reasons ans health reasons in terms of foreign illnesses (mad cow, etc). supplements are controlled only because the ingredients are subject to scrutiny and may be unsafe. not for quarantining reasons (when manufactured and sealed).

    my argument is how can you classify something unsafe for import, but safe to sell? hopefully we get somewhere with this.
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    I just received my package from BB.com and it contained Unversal Animal M stak which contains 20-hydroxyecdysterone.
    It is cleaely printed on the side of the tin that it contains it.
    I sent it via snail mail and customs did open the box but took nothing out.
    So now I am going to try to obtain Higher Power M1T Methyl-1-Testosterone in my next order.
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    Originally Posted by Hass
    I just received my package from BB.com and it contained Unversal Animal M stak which contains 20-hydroxyecdysterone.
    It is cleaely printed on the side of the tin that it contains it.
    I sent it via snail mail and customs did open the box but took nothing out.
    So now I am going to try to obtain Higher Power M1T Methyl-1-Testosterone in my next order.
    *rubs hands*

    Hahar, this is good news! I expect that Dermasize, being a transdermal, would get a lot of extra attention though
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    quarantine

    our customs are really strict about diary product because dairy products are oz's commodities so they have to do everything they can to prevent our cows getting sick
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    still no replies to my email. i will wait till monday and then call them for a reason.
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    Originally Posted by Hass
    "I just received my package from BB.com and it contained Unversal Animal M stak which contains 20-hydroxyecdysterone.
    It is cleaely printed on the side of the tin that it contains it.
    I sent it via snail mail and customs did open the box but took nothing out.
    So now I am going to try to obtain Higher Power M1T Methyl-1-Testosterone in my next order."

    i chucked a bottle of higher power m1t in with a protein powder order from bb.com once, just to see if it would make it here
    shipped it via the slow shipping
    customs took it out and sent me a letter saying it is illegal and cant be imported
    worth a shot though
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    Cool Trying my luck again

    Well its on its way now I changed the order from higher power to legal gear M1T gelcaps, a little more expensive but oh well.
    Here is the order I put in

    (1) "Legal Gear Methyl 1-Test, 80 MethylGels"
    (1) "Universal Animal MethoxyStak, 21 paks"
    (1) "AST GL3 L-Glutamine, 1200 grams"
    (2) "AST Micronized Creatine, 1000 grams"
    (2) "AST VP2, 2lbs, Vanilla"


    Fingers crossed, it gets through like the last one or else we are stuffed
    I will let you know how I go
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    We will soon be in the same boat over here it seems. Oh well, we will always move forward and keep pushing the envelope. We have a bunch of stuff on the horison. Good luck on the importation!

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    good luck mate. let us know how u go.
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    hey onshow any reply yet ??
    As for my package its still on it's way, should be any day now. I hope
    Been 15 days
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    So you Aussies have pretty good quality milk? I just wonder because I'm personally disappointed with the milk industry here in America.
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    that is one thing i have to say we are good with. our dairy is top notch. pronbably the best in the world (or at least equal best with NZ) Our whey manufacturing is very good (i think NZ beats us on this), however our ability to make an end user product is still behind that of the americans.
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    still no reply from the tga. i rang them and also got no answer. all they would say is if it is on the banned list, then it cant be imported and that is final. I would have to apply for an import permit to bring it in the country. i have given up. i may try transform soon though after my lg cutting stack.
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    Well, we will try, but we can't break the law. Anyone interested in trying a version without ecdysterones? I will send test bottles.

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    id love to try that. test me up. i wont be able to start for about 40 days though (i start the stack in my sig tomorrow)
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    Originally Posted by legalgear
    Well, we will try, but we can't break the law. Anyone interested in trying a version without ecdysterones? I will send test bottles.

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    yes please... may I ask what the difference would be without the ecdysterones? Or is that what you're trying to find out?

    Also, do you recommend testing it using a hyper or hypocaloric state?
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    We are not sure, because the ecdysterones have been in it since the begining. I would be willing to let people try it though, if you think it is worth it.

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    What do you mean when you say "if you think it is worth it"? Are you expecting adverse effects or something of that manner? I mean, if the product works, wonderful. If not... then the tester doesn't gain/ lose anything, but you gain information on how to better the product... so I'm at a loss on what you're trying to say
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    Well, we will try, but we can't break the law. Anyone interested in trying a version without ecdysterones? I will send test bottles.

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    I'd be happy to test a version without ecdysterones, but what is involved in a test. ie what do you require us to do? Do we have to do specific training or change our nutrition or something?
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    Thumbs up I am down for whatever

    Count me in too, I will test the product.
    It cant hurt, all we can do is try and see how we go
    Just let us know when and where...
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    Eric,

    I'm up for it. Let me know.
    I'll post training log and diet, etc.
    If it works well without the ecdysterones, I believe there is a rather huge market here in Australia who might every well be buying this product.
    I will be your guinea pig.
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    I was thinking though, anyone who got this license could make some money being a distributor for our product. Let's wait and see what they say.

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    E,

    I'd like to test the ecdy free version. Let me know if you need stats or anything. The log is a given.
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