Give me a contradiction in the bible / And give me a chance to prove it wrong.

[timmy47]

7And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.

1And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

1And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:

30And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

16Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt

2And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:

3And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

9Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:

10And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

11And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

11And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

7My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

8With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

14And they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land: for they have heard that thou LORD art among this people, that thou LORD art seen face to face, and that thy cloud standeth over them, and that thou goest before them, by day time in a pillar of a cloud, and in a pillar of fire by night.

5I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.

7Thus he shewed me: and, behold, the LORD stood upon a wall made by a plumbline, with a plumbline in his hand.

8And the LORD said unto me, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A plumbline. Then said the LORD, Behold, I will set a plumbline in the midst of my people Israel: I will not again pass by them any more:

1I saw the LORD standing upon the altar: and he said, Smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake: and cut them in the head, all of them; and I will slay the last of them with the sword: he that fleeth of them shall not flee away, and he that escapeth of them shall not be delivered.

^god is seen

20And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

18No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him

12No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

god is not seen. no one can see gods face and live. no one has ever seen him.

[timmy47]

Ill write in caps throughout the scripture.


Genesis 2
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

HMM^^^^ TALKS ABOUT THE SEVENTH DAY. THAT MEANS EVERYTHING HAS BEEN CREATED. tHE AUTHOR MUST NOW BE GOING INTO DETAIL OF THE CREATION, AND WHAT HAS TO BE DONE.

*Adam and Eve*
4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.
When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth [b] and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [c] and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams [d] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground-WATER!!!! SO THE PLANTS MUST HAVE GROWN 7 the LORD God formed the man [e] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

NOOWW THERE IS NO ORDER HERE. THIS TALKS ABOUT GOD PUTTING ADAM IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN. REMEMEBR THIS
8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground?trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin [f] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. [g] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
NOW ITS TALKING ABOUT GOD IS BRINGING ALL ANIMALS TO ADAM, IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN SO HE CAN NAME THEM. THE AUTHOR IS NOT REFERING TO ANY ORDER IN HERE. ADAM NEEDED A HELPER. EVE IS CREATED. THIS JUST PROVES THAT THERE IS NO ORDER HERE. IN GENESIS 1 IT IS PLANTS ANIMALS MAN. NOW IN THIS CHAPTER YOUR SAYING ITS "MAN, PLANTS, ANIMALS"??? OR I COULD SEE HOW YOU GET ,PLANTS, MAN, ANIMALS, THEN WOMAN. SO HUMAN WOULD BE CREATED BEFORE AND AFTER THE ANIMALS????? JUST SHOWS THE AUTHOR HAD NO INTENTION OF KEEPING AN ORDER. HE TELLING US THAT GOD HAD PUT ADAM IN TH GARDEN, AND ADAM WAS TOLD HE COULD EAT FROM THE PLANTS, AND THEN GOD BROUGHT ALL THE ANIMALS TO ADAM(WHICH GOD HAD OF COURSE CREATED) AND ADAM IS TO NAME THEM, BUT HE NEEDS A HELPER. SO EVE IS CREATED.

But for Adam [h] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs [i] and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [j] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman, [k] '
for she was taken out of man."

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

i see what you are saying. you're suggesting that it means that he already formed them but now he brought them to adam. i can see how that would be what it says. it does however say that he will make a helper suitable for him before that part. then after he names them, it says no suitable helper was found so he put him to sleep and created eve. why would he say he would create a helper if he wasnt actually going to create anything? he didnt create eve(the helper) until after adam tried to find one within the animals, which was unsucessful.

but i also notice you are using a different translation. the one i have says:

19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

this would deffinatly suggest he created them AND THEN gave them to adam to name.

19So out of the ground the LORD God formed[f] every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them

20So the LORD took some soil and made animals and birds. He brought them to the man to see what names he would give each of them. Then the man named the tame animals and the birds and the wild animals. That's how they got their names.

So the Lord God formed from the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the sky

So the LORD God formed out of the ground each wild animal and each bird of the sky, and brought each to the man to see what he would call it

And out of the ground Jehovah God formed every beast of the field, and every bird of the heavens

^^^some random alternative translations which indicate that he did infact create them at that point. so which is right?

[RelentlessChaos]

Jesus wore a scarlet robe.


Jesus wore a purple robe.

could be copyist's error. there may be a few in the bible. But i dont believe there are any contradictions of substantive vaulue. Right word?


like this:
david took 700 horsemen
david took 7000 horsemen

[JAGERBOY]

could be copyist's error. there may be a few in the bible. But i dont believe there are any contradictions of substantive vaulue. Right word?


like this:
david took 700 horsemen
david took 7000 horsemen

Maybe. But what else could be a copyist error? Jesus dying and being ressurected? God existing?

[RelentlessChaos]

i see what you are saying. you're suggesting that it means that he already formed them but now he brought them to adam. i can see how that would be what it says. it does however say that he will make a helper suitable for him before that part. then after he names them, it says no suitable helper was found so he put him to sleep and created eve. why would he say he would create a helper if he wasnt actually going to create anything? he didnt create eve(the helper) until after adam tried to find one within the animals, which was unsucessful.

but i also notice you are using a different translation. the one i have says:

19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

this would deffinatly suggest he created them AND THEN gave them to adam to name.

19So out of the ground the LORD God formed[f] every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them

20So the LORD took some soil and made animals and birds. He brought them to the man to see what names he would give each of them. Then the man named the tame animals and the birds and the wild animals. That's how they got their names.

So the Lord God formed from the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the sky

So the LORD God formed out of the ground each wild animal and each bird of the sky, and brought each to the man to see what he would call it

And out of the ground Jehovah God formed every beast of the field, and every bird of the heavens

^^^some random alternative translations which indicate that he did infact create them at that point. so which is right?

i understand exactly what you guys are saying. Now do you understand what im saying a little bit? i know it is very confusing. But just because it says "God had created the animals and brought them to adam" doesnt necissarily mean, that the author is speaking of this in order, and that no animal on earth had been created. He could just be stating again that the animals were created by God, and they were to be brought to adam now.

in the first part of this chapter it is talking about no plant had yet appeared, but God had provded water. God is not giving the plants to adam, to eat from.

in the second half its now talking about God raising up aniamls to be brought to adam. the author could simply just be repeating, and saying, the animals were created by God, as the plants were brought about by God.

then God provides helper for adam.

""""The first five books of the Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy) are collectively called the Books of the Law, or the Torah, or the Books of Moses. Those last four books have many verses that attribute them directly to Moses. But he?s not even mentioned anywhere in the book of Genesis. Why is this?

We?ll try to show in this little chapter that there?s considerable internal evidence, and some archaeological evidence, that Genesis was actually first written in sections, most likely on clay tablets, by a number of different men who were eye-witnesses to the actions described. These men signed their names at the bottom of their respective tablets, and later Moses compiled these tablets into what we call the ?book of Genesis.?""

so meses is believe to be the person who put these together to form Genesis, or he even wrote some of it. Why would moses keep two tablets that both talked about the days of creation, or any that had to do with the order of creation. If there were more than one, dont you think he might have only used one?

the author really in chapter 2 is focusing on the garden now, and that adam was to not eat from that special tree, but he cant eat from any vegetation, and he has to name the animals. He needs a helper in all this, which is eve.

why would they put to chapters in the same book that said the same thing. Why would they stick two different writing that "both talk about the order of creation" wouldnt you need only one? yes, and thats chapter 1. In chapter 2, we move on. CHapter 2 doesnt talk about morning, evening, sun, stars, or anything else like that.

[RelentlessChaos]

Maybe. But what else could be a copyist error? Jesus dying and being ressurected? God existing?

well i will admit there can be a few errors like i posted above, but i DO NOT believe there are any errors as you mentioned, where it would affect with God, Jesus, and what he did. There may be minor errors like the two angels, or one angel. 700 horseman, or 7000. A scarlet robe, or purple robe. Could have been wrong when translating from aramaic, to whatever to hebrew, get the point?

my meaning of a contradiction is two different authors (example, paul/moses) contradicting each other. Im not talking about copy errors, or anything like that. Something serious, that would have a big affect on the bible, and Christianity is like two authors totally disagreeing with each other. And i am sure you wont find that in the bible.

[JAGERBOY]

Something serious, that would have a big affect on the bible, and Christianity is like two authors totally disagreeing with each other. And i am sure you wont find that in the bible.

Sure you will. Just check out the Gospels.

[nrellas]

Explain why, if Jesus was perfect, he thought that the end of the world was coming soon, when it has clearly not come yet. See Matthew 16:27-28.

[solidus2k3]

Talking serpents in genesis

[nrellas]

Why would your God deliberately cause sinners to sin (cf. Romans 9:15-23 and numerous parts of the book of Exodus where God says, "I will harden Pharaoh's heart."). Are these sinners still responsible for the sins which your god forces them, against their will, to commit?

[nrellas]

The biggest one, Why should we accept the words of the gospel writers as truth when they are known to be liars? (See Romans 3:7).

Explain why your "just and merciful" God sent bears to kill forty-two children who called his prophet Elisha "baldhead."(See 2 Kings 2:23-24).

If we are created in your god's image and likeness(Gen 1:27), how can we also be imperfect?

If Jesus and his father are one (John 10:30), then why does Jesus have to pray (i.e. Matthew 26:39)?

Revelation 22:16 says that Jesus is the "offspring of David." Mary was not descended from David, but Joseph was. Doesn't this mean that Jesus wasn't the son of your God at all, but the (mortal and not divine) son of Joseph?



Take a shot at any of those, it should take you a while.

[fender23]

You must have missed this:

" I have never witnessed anything 'coming from' anything. I have witnessed atoms and molecules rearranging themselves into different forms, but I have not been party to anything 'beginning to exist', so I fail to see why I should assume anything 'begins to exist' at all."

Tell me why you think the first piece of matter had to 'come from something', and why this is even a valid question, and I might be able to help you out.

LOL!!!! I'm serious when I ask this...are you delusional? In the above quote you are basically trying to say that the first piece of matter doesn't necessarily need to come from something. Yet in the below quote you say that it DOES come from something. You completely contradict yourself.

It evolved from something else, obviously. What are you really asking here?

Obviously, you are pretty new to logic!

Can someone please bring me an atheist who actually can present a good argument????

[JBDW]

LOL!!!! I'm serious when I ask this...are you delusional? In the above quote you are basically trying to say that the first piece of matter doesn't necessarily need to come from something. Yet in the below quote you say that it DOES come from something. You completely contradict yourself.

And, ladies and gentlemen, this is what happens when you jump into a thread without reading the rest of the posts first.

The first quote means that no one has ever witnessed anything 'beginning to exist'. All that we've witnessed is the reformation of atoms/molecules into new forms. To ask, therefore, how the universe 'began to exist', is to try to insert a totally unproven assumption where it does not belong.

The second quote is in answer to his question of how human beings evolved. He asked that if humans evolved from something, where did that something come from? The most simple and direct answer is, of course, that it evolved from something else. And so on.

If your limited comprehension can allow you to grasp the difference, then read on:

He then clarifies that the real intent of the question is to essentially ask where the first 'anything' came from, to which I refer you back to the first quote.

Obviously, you are pretty new to logic!

Can someone please bring me an atheist who actually can present a good argument????

Live and learn, my friend.



EDIT: On a side note, the question of 'where did the first 'anything' come from?' is an assumption of creation ex nihilo, for which there is really no basis.

[ElderJefferson]

No, you see, it doesn't matter how much your pastor knows...I can read English

Obviously not, as my ENGLISH Bible doesn't infer anything of the sort.

This thread reeks of poor comprehension and childish non-Christian bantor. I thought there would be serious questions, too (what was I thinking)?

Irony of it all is that I know of several places in the Bible which appear "contradictory", but no one has yet to mention them; nor do they destroy any validity in the Bible, so it's no big deal.

EDIT: Actually, after reading through the thread, someone already mentioned the number of horses.

[ElderJefferson]

i see what you are saying. you're suggesting that it means that he already formed them but now he brought them to adam. i can see how that would be what it says.

Thank you. God bless you. Not because you have "taken our side", but because you chose to put away any preconceived notions and apply some comprehension to the text. I don't know if I can rep you, but I'll try.

[ElderJefferson]

God
is God and cannot die

Jesus
is man and died

Now THAT appears to be a contradiction (as opposed to just saying 'God and Jesus').

Well, to fully answer that would take quite some time, so I'll just throw out the end result and then provide a link to a reputable Bible Answer website for further study.

The "to the point" answer is that Jesus is divine, being one of the three members of the Godhead. His divinity was clothed with a shroud of flesh, thus God had become fully man (while remaining fully divine). The Bible refers to this as the mystery of Godliness. Jesus had to live His life without relying upon His own power, but in faith He had to cling to our Father's strength.

When Jesus died, His humanity died. Divinity can not die. One of my favorite authors puts it this way: "While humanity slept, divinity rested".

EDIT: oops, forgot the link: http://www.amazingfacts.org/media/ra....asp?tName=God

[Vaper]

Jesus wore a scarlet robe.


Jesus wore a purple robe.

http://realcolorwheel.com/RCWtablema...x5dpi72map.png

Scarlet is 10-11 Notice how close it is to purple, it is basically purple with a hint of red in it.

[timmy47]

i understand exactly what you guys are saying. Now do you understand what im saying a little bit? i know it is very confusing. But just because it says "God had created the animals and brought them to adam" doesnt necissarily mean, that the author is speaking of this in order, and that no animal on earth had been created. He could just be stating again that the animals were created by God, and they were to be brought to adam now.

in the first part of this chapter it is talking about no plant had yet appeared, but God had provded water. God is not giving the plants to adam, to eat from.

in the second half its now talking about God raising up aniamls to be brought to adam. the author could simply just be repeating, and saying, the animals were created by God, as the plants were brought about by God.

then God provides helper for adam.

""""The first five books of the Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy) are collectively called the Books of the Law, or the Torah, or the Books of Moses. Those last four books have many verses that attribute them directly to Moses. But he?s not even mentioned anywhere in the book of Genesis. Why is this?

We?ll try to show in this little chapter that there?s considerable internal evidence, and some archaeological evidence, that Genesis was actually first written in sections, most likely on clay tablets, by a number of different men who were eye-witnesses to the actions described. These men signed their names at the bottom of their respective tablets, and later Moses compiled these tablets into what we call the ?book of Genesis.?""

so meses is believe to be the person who put these together to form Genesis, or he even wrote some of it. Why would moses keep two tablets that both talked about the days of creation, or any that had to do with the order of creation. If there were more than one, dont you think he might have only used one?

the author really in chapter 2 is focusing on the garden now, and that adam was to not eat from that special tree, but he cant eat from any vegetation, and he has to name the animals. He needs a helper in all this, which is eve.

why would they put to chapters in the same book that said the same thing. Why would they stick two different writing that "both talk about the order of creation" wouldnt you need only one? yes, and thats chapter 1. In chapter 2, we move on. CHapter 2 doesnt talk about morning, evening, sun, stars, or anything else like that.

but if its a completely differnet story, wouldnt that mean that adam was not the first human? gen 1 states that man was already made, so was woman. but in gen 2 he creates adam and later he creates eve. would that mean he created them after he created humans? that would explain where cains wife came from anyway.

and i know what your saying about the focus of the story in gen 2. but some translations like i showed seem to suggest he created the animals at this time. one of the translations clearly shows he did it at that time. "20So the LORD took some soil and made animals and birds. He brought them to the man to see what names he would give each of them." its been suggested to me that perhaps god just made some animals again in the garden for adam to name. but i just dont see why god would do that when he already made the animals. he could just bring them into the garden.

i think i have a solution: can anyone here read ancient hebrew?

edit: after reading your post again(the one with the verses) ive noticed that when it describes god making the garden, it uses the same phrase "now the lord god had...". when it talks about creating animals it starts off like this as well. now, i saw it as saying that he already created them. like using now as like when someone says "now listen here" or something like that. just stating he already did it. it also uses the word "had". but it does it for the garden part as well. so did he create the garden then or was it already done? this phrasing might also suggest that he was doing it now. like saying "and now he did this" instead of saying "so then he did this". ill have to read into this one some more.

[RelentlessChaos]

Explain why, if Jesus was perfect, he thought that the end of the world was coming soon, when it has clearly not come yet. See Matthew 16:27-28.

hahaha, we dont know what soon is. What if 10,000 years is very soon. We dont know. ALl it does is gets the point across in our heads that we need to give our lives to Christ now. What is the wait for.

[RelentlessChaos]

but if its a completely differnet story, wouldnt that mean that adam was not the first human? gen 1 states that man was already made, so was woman. but in gen 2 he creates adam and later he creates eve. would that mean he created them after he created humans? that would explain where cains wife came from anyway.

and i know what your saying about the focus of the story in gen 2. but some translations like i showed seem to suggest he created the animals at this time. one of the translations clearly shows he did it at that time. "20So the LORD took some soil and made animals and birds. He brought them to the man to see what names he would give each of them." its been suggested to me that perhaps god just made some animals again in the garden for adam to name. but i just dont see why god would do that when he already made the animals. he could just bring them into the garden.

i think i have a solution: can anyone here read ancient hebrew?

edit: after reading your post again(the one with the verses) ive noticed that when it describes god making the garden, it uses the same phrase "now the lord god had...". when it talks about creating animals it starts off like this as well. now, i saw it as saying that he already created them. like using now as like when someone says "now listen here" or something like that. just stating he already did it. it also uses the word "had". but it does it for the garden part as well. so did he create the garden then or was it already done? this phrasing might also suggest that he was doing it now. like saying "and now he did this" instead of saying "so then he did this". ill have to read into this one some more.

i even understand if the verses say "God created the animals......." Doesnt mean the author is telling everything in Chronological order. You cant say he is just because that one verse sounds like the author is. If you read the whole chapter he goes back and forth, or atleast isnt super clear. Im sure they didnt have grammar classes back then, and teach people how to write properly.

[QuicksandATL]

hahaha, we dont know what soon is. What if 10,000 years is very soon. We dont know. ALl it does is gets the point across in our heads that we need to give our lives to Christ now. What is the wait for.

Just because Jesus was perfect doesn't mean that he could foretell the future.

Matt 24:36
"Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." (NWT)

And being in the time of the end, to go along with Chaos' point.

1 Pet 3:8
"However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." (NWT)

While it isn't really to say that if God said Armageddon was coming in 2 days it would be 2,000 years, we shouldn't think that just because Jesus said the time of the end was near it's not necessarily going to come next week.

[timmy47]

i even understand if the verses say "God created the animals......." Doesnt mean the author is telling everything in Chronological order. You cant say he is just because that one verse sounds like the author is. If you read the whole chapter he goes back and forth, or atleast isnt super clear. Im sure they didnt have grammar classes back then, and teach people how to write properly.

if you cant take it literally, why believe this is the way it happened? im not attacking im just wondering what it is that makes you think this is actually the truth.

[Popsicle52]

http://realcolorwheel.com/RCWtablema...x5dpi72map.png

Scarlet is 10-11 Notice how close it is to purple, it is basically purple with a hint of red in it.

But scarlet is not purple.

[QuicksandATL]

But scarlet is not purple.

This is probably the stupidest implication I've ever heard.

[Popsicle52]

This is probably the stupidest implication I've ever heard.

Scarlet is orange-red. It's not purple. That's a contradiction.

[UhhWhatever]

Nobody is going to touch this question with a 50 foot pole, are they?

Adam was the only man god created.
Eve was the only woman god created.

First Adam and Eve had Cain.
Then Adam and Eve had Abel.
Then Cain killed Abel.
Then Cain found a wife.
Then Adam and Eve had Seth.
Then Adam and Eve had other children.

Where did Cain's wife come from?

Applicable scripture is referenced below.

Genesis 4:16 - Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

Genesis 4:17 - Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch; and he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.

Genesis 4:25 - And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, "God has appointed for me another child instead of Abel, for Cain slew him."

Genesis 5:3 - When Adam had lived a hundred and thirty years, he became the father of a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

Genesis 5:4 - The days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years; and he had other sons and daughters.

[ElderJefferson]

Nobody is going to touch this question with a 50 foot pole, are they?

I enjoy it when someone asks a question that has already been answered numerous times (thus no one bothers responding), and then proceeds to act as if the question is stupefying.

Because you're a grown man, I'll answer it (most of these kids annoy me). Adam and Eve had many, many children. Nowhere does it say that the only kids they had are the ones recorded in Genesis (in fact, there may even have been numerous children born BETWEEN Cain and Abel). To say that "these are their only children" is unbiblical.

Anyways, they had tons (be fruitful and multiply). Not only that, but the Bible does not provide a timeline for these events, either, so one of two possibilities occurred:

1) Cain killed Abel and then fled. While in exile, the offspring of Adam and Eve eventually migrated to his location.

2) By the time Cain killed Abel, the offspring of Adam and Eve had already migrated to various locations upon the earth, and it was to these locations that Cain fled.

His wife would, of course, had come from Adam and Eve's offspring (cousin, sister, or niece).

[UhhWhatever]

Here's another:

First of all, there is the obvious question of whether it was two of each animal or two of some and seven of others. It's a blatant contradiction, but since Genesis was written by at least two different people, I understand how the confusion came to exist.

If it was two of each (as suggested by the majority of the scripture), then how would Noah have offered a sacrifice when he got off the boat? If it was seven of each clean animal, then you're going to need an even bigger boat.

Which brings me to my real point...

I don't care how big a cubit is, how in god's name (pun intended) could you build a boat that would hold somewhere between 2 and 7 of every animal which lives on the land or in the air for 190 days (40 days of rain, 150 more days waiting for **** to dry up), plus all the food god told Noah to bring to feed them, which for many of those animals, is other animals?

I've quoted some scripture. I'll make another post with a list of animals, just to give you a good idea of the scope of that.

Genesis 6:15 - And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

Genesis 6:19-21 - And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

Genesis 7:2-3 - Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

Genesis 7:8-9 - Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, there went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

Genesis 7:14-15 - They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort. And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

Genesis 7:21-23 - And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: all in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Genesis 8:3 - And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

Genesis 8:18-20 - And Noah went forth, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him: every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark. And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

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This is a list of just the animals at the St. Louis zoo - it's not even close to an exhaustive list of animals currently on the planet, let alone whatever animals were purported to be alive at the time of the flood.

Invertebrates
Centipedes
Giant Centipede
Crustaceans (crabs, shrimp, woodlice)
Hermit Crabs
Wood Louse
Horseshoe crabs
Horseshoe Crab
Insects
Ants, Bees, Wasps
Bullet Ant
Carpenter Bee
Honey Pot Ant
Honeybee
Leaf Cutter Ant
Velvet Ant
Grasshoppers, katydids, crickets, roaches, mantises, stick insects
American Cockroach
Cave Cricket
Costa Rican Katydid
Cricket
False Katydid
Flower Mantis
German Cockroach
Giant Cockroach
Giant Prickly Stick
Giant Spiny Stick
Hissing Cockroach
Javanese Leaf Insect
Lubber Grasshopper
Malagasy Blue-spot Mantis
Malaysian Walkingstick
Mole Cricket
Northern Walkingstick
Orchid Mantis
Peruvian Firestick
Praying Mantis
Vietnamese Walkingstick
Beetles
African Jewel Beetle
American Burying Beetle
American Carrion Beetle
Arizona Jewel Beetle
Atlas Beetle
Bess Beetle
Cactus Longhorn Beetle
Confused Flour Beetle
Darkling Beetle
Dogbane Leaf Beetle
Eastern Hercules Beetle
Fiery Searcher
Flamboyant Flower Beetle
Giant High Plains Tiger Beetle
Giant Water Scavenger Beetle
Green Metallic Scarab Beetle
Hide Beetle
Jade-headed Beetle
Ladybug Beetle
Margined Burying Beetle
Pedunculate Ground Beetle
Sunburst Diving Beetle
Tumblebug
Whirligig Beetle
Butterflies and Moths
Blue Morpho
Silkworm
Cicadas, Cochineal Insects, Aphids
Cochineal Insect
Scale Insect
Termites
Termite
True Bugs
Backswimmer
Ferocious Water Bug
Milkweed Bug
Red Spot Assassin Bug
Water Scorpion
True Flies
House Fly
Jellies, Anemones
Condylactis Anemone
Upside-down Jelly
Millipedes
Desert Millipede
Giant African Millipede
Missouri Millipede
Snails, Slugs, Octopuses
Apple Snail
Banana Slug
Marine Snail
Partula Snail
Spiders and Scorpions
Bark Scorpion
Black and Yellow Argiope Spider
Black Widow
Brazilian Salmon Pink Birdeater
Brazilian Whiteknee Tarantula
Brown Recluse Spider
Brown Widow
Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula
Cobalt Blue Tarantula
Desert Hairy Scorpion
Devil Stripe-tailed Scorpion
Egyptian Fat-tailed Scorpion
Emperor Scorpion
Golden Silk Spider
Green Lynx Spider
House Spider
Indian Ornamental Tarantula
Long-bodied Cellar Spider
Madagascar Orb-weaving Spider
Missouri Tarantula
Nursery Web Spider
Peruvian Pink-toe Tarantula
Red-kneed Tarantula
Silver Argiope
South African Flat Rock Scorpion
Spiny Orb-weaving Spider
Sri Lankan Ornamental Tarantula
Stripe-kneed Tarantula
Tailless Whip Scorpion
Texas Gold Tarantula
Trapdoor Spider
Whip Scorpion
Urchins, Stars
Chocolate Chip Star
Pencil Urchin
Worms, Leeches
Earthworm
Featherduster Worm
Medicinal Leech
Amphibians
Caecilians
Mexican Caecilian
Frogs and Toads
American Bullfrog
American Toad
European Green Toad
Giant Marine Toad
Golden Mantella
Mountain Chicken
Panamanian Golden Frog
Puerto Rican Crested Toad
Surinam Toad
Tomato Frog
Vietnamese Moss Frog
Waxy Tree Frog
Wyoming Toad
Yellow-and-blue Poison Dart Frog
Salamanders and Newts
Alligator Newt
Blue-tailed Fire-bellied Newt
Chinese Giant Salamander
Emperor Newt
Fire Salamander
Hellbender
Iberian Ribbed Newt
Marbled Salamander
Mudpuppy
Three-toed Amphiuma
Tiger Salamander
Western Lesser Siren
Reptiles
Alligators and Crocodiles
American Alligator
Chinese Alligator
Cuban Crocodile
Dwarf Caiman
False Gharial
Spectacled Caiman
Yacare Caiman
Lizards
Chinese Water Dragon
Banded Day Gecko
Banded Gila Monster
Black Tree Monitor
Blue Spiny Lizard
Blue-tongued Skink
Chinese Crocodile Lizard
Crocodile Monitor
Fiji Banded Iguana
Green Basilisk
Green Iguana
Henkel's Leaftailed Gecko
Inland Bearded Dragon
Komodo Dragon
Mexican Alligator Lizard
Mexican Beaded Lizard
New Caledonia Gecko
New Caledonia Giant Gecko
New Guinea Crocodile Skink
Rhinoceros Iguana
Savanna Monitor
Scheltopusik
Solomon Island Prehensile-tailed Skink
Warren's Girdled Lizard
Western Chuckwalla
Snakes
Anatolian Viper
Angolan Dwarf Python
Armenian Viper
Aruba Island Rattlesnake
Ball Python
Black Milk Snake
Black Rat Snake
Black-headed Python
Black-speckled Palm-pitviper
Boelen's Python
Bolkar Viper
Bornean Leaf-nosed Pitviper
Brazilian Rainbow Boa
Burmese Python
Caucasus Viper
Central American Bushmaster
Central Asian Cobra
Corn Snake
Dumeril's Boa
Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake
Emerald Tree Boa
Fea's Viper
Grand Canyon Rattlesnake
Green Anaconda
Green Tree Python
Hermon Mountain Viper
Jamaican Boa
King Cobra
Lataste's Viper
Leaf-nosed Viper
Madagascar Ground Boa
Madagascar Tree Boa
Massasauga Rattlesnake
Mexican Lance-headed Rattlesnake
Moorish Viper
Mt. Mang Pitviper
Northern Death Adder
Ocellate Mountain Viper
Osage Copperhead
Philippine Pitviper
Red-tailed Boa Constrictor
Reticulated Python
Ridgenosed Rattlesnake
Rosy Boa
Sawu Python
Side-striped Palm-pitviper
Southern Twig Snake
Speckled Forest Pitviper
Stuart's Milk Snake
Szechwan Speckled Pitviper
Timber Rattlesnake
West African Gaboon Viper
Western Cottonmouth
Western Pygmy Rattlesnake
Yangtze Mamushi
Yellow-blotched Palm-pitviper
Tuataras
Tuatara
Turtles and Tortoises
African Pancake Tortoise
Aldabra Tortoise
Alligator Snapping Turtle
Arakan Forest Turtle
Asian Giant Pond Turtle
Balkan Hermann's Tortoise
Box Turtle
Cape Speckled Padloper Tortoise
Central American River Turtle
Common Map Turtle
Common Musk Turtle
Egyptian Tortoise
Elongated Tortoise
Galapagos Tortoise
Gopher Tortoise
McCord's Box Turtle
Murray River Turtle
Northern Spider Tortoise
Pig-nosed Turtle
Radiated Tortoise
Red-bellied Short-necked Turtle
South African Bowsprit Tortoise
South American Yellow-foot Tortoise
Spiny Softshell Turtle
Spotted Turtle
Star Tortoise
Vietnamese Big-headed Turtle
Birds
Cranes, trumpeters
Common Moorhen
East African Crowned Crane
Grey-winged Trumpeter
Sarus Crane
Stanley Crane
Wattled Crane
White-naped Crane
Gulls, plovers, thick-knees, puffins
Blacksmith Plover
Cape Thick-knee
Horned Puffin
Tufted Puffin
Herons, flamingos, ibis, spoonbills, egrets, storks
Black-crowned Night Heron
Caribbean Flamingo
Cattle Egret
Glossy Ibis
Great Egret
Green Heron
Marabou Stork
Roseate Spoonbill
Saddlebill Stork
Snowy Egret
White Ibis
White Stork
Kingfishers, hornbills, bee-eaters
Blue-crowned Motmot
Papuan Hornbill
Carmine Bee-eater
Great Hornbill
Kookaburra
Lilac-breasted Roller
Micronesian Kingfisher
Rhinoceros Hornbill
Trumpeter Hornbill
Nightjars, frogmouths, whippoorwills
Tawny Frogmouth
Ostriches, emus, tinamous
Andean Tinamou
Elegant Crested Tinamou
Emu
Ostrich
Owls
Barred Owl
Eastern Screech Owl
Great Horned Owl
Long-eared Owl
Spectacled Owl
Parrots
Blue-and-yellow Macaw
Blue-crowned Conure
Bourke's Parakeet
Hawk-headed Parrot
Hyacinth Macaw
Lorikeet
Yellow-collared Lovebird
Scarlet Macaw
Penguins
Gentoo Penguin
Humboldt Penguin
King Penguin
Rockhopper Penguin
Perching birds
Bali Mynah
Blue-faced Honeyeater
Collie's Jay
Common Crow
Fairy Bluebird
Golden-breasted Starling
Java Rice Finch
Magpie Robin
Orange Weaver Finch
Plush-crested Jay
Red-billed Blue Magpie
Red-billed Leiothrix
Silver-eared Mesia
Society Finch
White-crested Laughing Thrush
White-headed Buffalo Weaver
Zebra Finch
Pheasants, Curassows, Guans
Bamboo Partridge
Cabot's Tragopan
Chicken
Crested Wood Partridge
Golden Pheasant
Helmeted Curassow
Helmeted Guineafowl
Horned Guan
Northern Bobwhite Quail
Palawan Peacock Pheasant
Piping Guan
Vulturine Guineafowl
Pigeons, doves
Bleeding Heart Dove
Chestnut-bellied Sandgrouse
Diamond Dove
Homing Pigeon
Marianas Fruit Dove
Ring-necked Dove
Wonga Pigeon
Turacos, roadrunners
Greater Roadrunner
White-cheeked Turaco
White-crested Turaco
Vultures, hawks, eagles
American Kestrel
Audubon's Caracara
Bald Eagle
Bateleur Eagle
Cinereous Vulture
Harris' Hawk
King Vulture
Red-tailed Hawk
Swainson's Hawk
Waterfowl
American White Pelican
American Wood Duck
Bar-headed Goose
Black-necked Swan
Blue-winged Teal
Bufflehead Duck
Canvasback
Crested Screamer
Double-crested Cormorant
Hooded Merganser
King Eider
Northern Pintail Duck
Northern Shoveler
Ruddy Duck
Swan Goose
Woodpeckers, toucans
Bearded Barbet
Channel-billed Toucan
Green Aracari
Toco Toucan
Mammals
Anteaters, Sloths, Armadillos
Giant Anteater
Linne's Two-toed Sloth
Southern Three-banded Armadillo
Hoffmann's Two-toed Sloth
Bats
Indian Flying Fox
Carnivores
Amur Leopard
Amur Tiger
Bat-eared Fox
Black Bear
Bush Dog
Cheetah
Dwarf Mongoose
European Polecat
Fennec Fox
Grizzly Bear
Jaguar
Kinkajou
Lion
Malayan Sun Bear
North American River Otter
Polar Bear
Puma
Red Panda
Sand Cat
Slender-tailed Meerkat
Snow Leopard
Spectacled Bear
Spotted Hyena
Egg-laying Mammals
Short-beaked Echidna
Elephants
Asian Elephant
Hedgehogs
White-bellied Hedgehog

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Imagine that, the post was too long . . .

Hoofed Mammals
Addax
Arabian Oryx
Babirusa
Bactrian Camel
Banteng
Black Rhinoceros
Central Chinese Goral
Chacoan Peccary
Cotswold Sheep
Cuvier's Gazelle
Domestic Goat
Dwarf Zebu
Gerenuk
Grevy's Zebra
Hippopotamus
Indian Muntjac
Lesser Kudu
Mhorr Gazelle
Mountain Bongo
Okapi
Red-flanked Duiker
Red River Hog
Reeves' Muntjac
Reticulated Giraffe
Soemmerring's Gazelle
****li Wild Ass
Speke's Gazelle
Steenbok
Sichuan Takin
Transcaspian Urial
Visayan Warty Pig
Warthog
Hyraxes
Rock Hyrax
Lemurs, Monkeys, Apes
Allen's Swamp Monkey
Black and White Colobus Monkey
Black and White Ruffed Lemur
Black Lemur
Black-handed Spider Monkey
Chimpanzee
Coquerel's Sifaka
Cotton-top Tamarin
Dusky-leaf Monkey
Geoffroy's Marmoset
Goeldi's Monkey
Golden-headed Lion Tamarin
Hamadryas Baboon
Lion-tailed Macaque
Mongoose Lemur
Pygmy Marmoset
Red Ruffed Lemur
Ring-tailed Lemur
Sumatran Orangutan
Western Lowland Gorilla
White-faced SakiPouched Mammals
Matschie's Tree Kangaroo
Opossum
Red Kangaroo
Sugar Glider
Tammar Wallaby
Rabbits
European Rabbit
Rodents
Black-tailed Prairie Dog
Capybara
Chinchilla
Degu
Guinea Pig
Kangaroo Rat
Mexican Hairy Porcupine
Naked Mole Rat
Prevost's Squirrel
Springhaas
St. Vincent's Agouti
Woodchuck
Seals, Sea Lions
California Sea Lion