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    Milk

    I drink on average 4l of milk a day.

    It accounts for about 60% of my daily protein intake. (120g)

    What are your thoughts on this? Will my body start rejecting it after a certain point? Is that much milk bad for me? I would eat other things but milk is just so cheap and convenient that i buy it all the time.

    My stats are:
    age-18
    weight-165
    height-5'8
    bf-10-12% (i can barely see my abs)
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    You do not need that much,

    get your protien from other sources, like tuna, cottage cheese, chicken etc
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    yea, you want to mix up your sources of protein.
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    Chicken
    Mince
    Red Meat (especially)
    Eggs
    Tuna
    Whey
    Steak

    Save milk for a quick fix, or for bed

    Did u say how much u weigh?? Because 200g protein aint much,

    Edit: Read your sig, and weighing 165Lbs, you should really IMHO be getting 330g AT LEAST
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    Originally Posted by eehee
    I drink on average 4l of milk a day.

    It accounts for about 60% of my daily protein intake. (120g)

    What are your thoughts on this? Will my body start rejecting it after a certain point? Is that much milk bad for me? I would eat other things but milk is just so cheap and convenient that i buy it all the time.

    My stats are:
    age-18
    weight-165
    height-5'8
    bf-10-12% (i can barely see my abs)
    thats a lot of milk
    your taking in too much fat from it, and you need your protein sources split up more
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    Originally Posted by RACKITUP
    Chicken
    Mince
    Red Meat (especially)
    Eggs
    Tuna
    Whey
    Steak

    Save milk for a quick fix, or for bed

    Did u say how much u weigh?? Because 200g protein aint much,

    Edit: Read your sig, and weighing 165Lbs, you should really IMHO be getting 330g AT LEAST

    I highly doubt he needs 330g of protein only weighing 165..........
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    You gotta be careful with how much milk to take in. If you're counting it up in your daily calories and stuff than you're fine, but alot of people, including myself, sometimes totally get caught up in the fact that it's a drink and so damned tasty and I'll go through a gallon like Michael Jackson through a pre-school, and end up taking in more fat and calories than I had meant.
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    Originally Posted by IKilledBritney
    thats a lot of milk
    your taking in too much fat from it, and you need your protein sources split up more
    maybe it's skimmed milk... either way, he's 10% bf, so i doubt that fat is killing him.
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    There's nothing wrong with twice your bodyweight in grams of protein...
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    Originally Posted by USMuscle9403
    There's nothing wrong with twice your bodyweight in grams of protein...
    it's hell on the kidneys
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    i wouldnt drink too muck milk 4 liters is a hell of a lot u ahve a chance of getting calcium deposits if u get to much calcium in
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    For every 3,5 grams of protein you get from the milk, you also take in 5 grams of sugar, it is something to consider.
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    ok thx for the replies i will consider this.
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    Originally Posted by chewwy
    it's hell on the kidneys

    Says who?

    We are designed to eat and digest meat, and long as your drinking copious ammounts of fluids its fine
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    Originally Posted by S_Star
    I highly doubt he needs 330g of protein only weighing 165..........
    The guy is from the misinformed 2g per lb of bodyweight school of nutrition.
    I'll only have 1.5 per lb when going low carb, rest of the time, I stick to 1-1.25.
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    Originally Posted by Max Protein
    The guy is from the misinformed 2g per lb of bodyweight school of nutrition.
    I'll only have 1.5 per lb when going low carb, rest of the time, I stick to 1-1.25.
    Ok, not to sound flipant, but how big are you, seriously?
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    Originally Posted by RACKITUP
    Says who?

    We are designed to eat and digest meat, and long as your drinking copious ammounts of fluids its fine
    says who!? says who!?

    When people start consuming too much protein (over 2.0 g/kg/d), the extra protein can become a stressful stimulus for the kidney. This is even more of a concern as we get older and our organs are less efficient and effective.

    Very high levels of dietary protein have also been correlated with increased urinary calcium excretion. The loss of calcium through urine could potentially be harmful for bone turnover, with the added risk of osteoporosis. Finally, protein requires vitamin B6 in order to be metabolized and ultimately utilized in the body. Very high levels of dietary protein increase the requirement for this B vitamin.

    And note that says per, KG, not per lb. so it's saying 1g per lb is quite stressful on the kidneys...

    now people will tell me to drink water.
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    Originally Posted by chewwy
    says who!? says who!?

    When people start consuming too much protein (over 2.0 g/kg/d), the extra protein can become a stressful stimulus for the kidney. This is even more of a concern as we get older and our organs are less efficient and effective.

    Very high levels of dietary protein have also been correlated with increased urinary calcium excretion. The loss of calcium through urine could potentially be harmful for bone turnover, with the added risk of osteoporosis. Finally, protein requires vitamin B6 in order to be metabolized and ultimately utilized in the body. Very high levels of dietary protein increase the requirement for this B vitamin.

    And note that says per, KG, not per lb. so it's saying 1g per lb is quite stressful on the kidneys...

    now people will tell me to drink water.
    Hopefully we could get bigreds input on this, as I am sure he could provide some details for and against.

    Personally, I'd rather take in an excess of protein, make sure my muscles have more than enough nutrients, walk round at 230-250Lbs in my prime and die of POSSIBLY Renal problems at 70, than ....spend my life struggling to surpass 200Lbs, and live an extra 10years, when infact I could be knocked down by a bus 2moro. Dude drink more water
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    I try and stop at around 2g per pound of bodyweight of protein because I don't feel that MY body can process a whole lot more than that. Some people do have incredible protein metabolism rates and can consume even more than that.

    Like RIU said, I'd much rather not worry about getting in enough protein, grow like no tomorrow when I combine heavy protein/food intake with heavy training and heavy rest and not even worry about reaching my goals because it's just a matter of time than be some guy that struggles to get over 200 lbs and think it's due to his drug use or his training program when he isn't even eating enough to be 180.
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    Originally Posted by USMuscle9403
    I try and stop at around 2g per pound of bodyweight of protein because I don't feel that MY body can process a whole lot more than that. Some people do have incredible protein metabolism rates and can consume even more than that.

    Like RIU said, I'd much rather not worry about getting in enough protein, grow like no tomorrow when I combine heavy protein/food intake with heavy training and heavy rest and not even worry about reaching my goals because it's just a matter of time than be some guy that struggles to get over 200 lbs and think it's due to his drug use or his training program when he isn't even eating enough to be 180.

    Hey just because I am sub 200LBs at the moment!!!

    Edit: and dude, u are 250Lbs, 500g of protein is ganna be hard, either which way u look at it! Hope cutting isnt too hard---doesnt help with Frigginghuge's Foreman Grill PICTURES!
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    Originally Posted by RACKITUP
    Hey just because I am sub 200LBs at the moment!!!
    I forgot about that but that wasn't directed towards you.
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    It is not THAT cheap.
    Milk
    128g/gallon, 2.75$/gallon = 2.1 cents per gram

    Tuna
    35g/can, .39$/can = 1.1 cents per gram
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    Originally Posted by chewwy
    says who!? says who!?

    When people start consuming too much protein (over 2.0 g/kg/d), the extra protein can become a stressful stimulus for the kidney. This is even more of a concern as we get older and our organs are less efficient and effective.

    Very high levels of dietary protein have also been correlated with increased urinary calcium excretion. The loss of calcium through urine could potentially be harmful for bone turnover, with the added risk of osteoporosis. Finally, protein requires vitamin B6 in order to be metabolized and ultimately utilized in the body. Very high levels of dietary protein increase the requirement for this B vitamin.

    And note that says per, KG, not per lb. so it's saying 1g per lb is quite stressful on the kidneys...

    now people will tell me to drink water.
    actually, he's right. processing tons of protein CAN (note: can, not always for everyone) become stressful over a period of time, and the whole calcium thing is correct. except it isnt high amounts of dietary protein correlated with bone loss -- its animal protein and i beleive its due to the acidity of it. that is why the whole drink milk for strong bones doesnt do much good, especially for someone at risk with osteoperosis.

    so from the standpoint that someone is exericising purely for health and wellness reasons, yes 2+g protein/bodyweight is unnecessary and even too much in most cases.

    on the other hand, someone who wants to force their body to drastically change its composition and GROW new muscle, 2+g protein/lb bodyweight does help. i mean, its no coincidence that when people up their protein intake, they tend to experience more jumps in strength. especially with a very demanding program like DC training which me, usmuscle and rackitup are currently doing. in this case, you would want your system to be filled with protein at all times. sure, you might say that an increased carbohydrate consumption will fix this -- theoretically, it should but it just doesnt work all the time. for some guy 'trying to get in shape' no way he should eat like this. for some guy 'trying to add 50 lbs of muscle mass in the fastest period off time' this is a good approach.

    about the milk, i think of it more in terms as "i am supplementing with cows milk to get extra protein" rather than "i get most of my protein from milk". maybe that will help, but try to get most of your protein in the form of solid foods when you can.


    well, there you go guys. thats my opinion.
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    So, Rack It Up, you're saying he needs double his bodyweight + 30 grams of protein eh. So at 250 you're consuming around 570 grams of protein a day? Now thats ****ing impressive dude. Can I see your meal plan?
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    Originally Posted by Swole4Life
    So, Rack It Up, you're saying he needs double his bodyweight + 30 grams of protein eh. So at 250 you're consuming around 570 grams of protein a day? Now thats ****ing impressive dude. Can I see your meal plan?
    Usmuscle is infact 250, I am 200

    So you slightly mistaken

    As I wanna be 235+ I eat like a 235Lb man, which means my diet (without specifics) comprises of (purely from a protein point of view).....

    Bag of lean mince, 90g pro
    2shakes, 100g
    2cans tuna, 70g Pro
    steak, 50g pro
    6egg (breakfast), 40g Pro
    Chicken breasts, 60g pro
    Chicken, 90g pro
    Bed time meal 60g Pro

    around 560g IN JUST complete proteins

    but normally its 400g and there abouts (so cut out appropiate portions)

    Note: OOh what a co-incidence, my strength and size has sky rocketted
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    I say, the more protein the more optimal are your gains period.

    tried and true, nothing else to say. You eat more (quality food of course), you grow more.

    I think thats clear enough.
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    Originally Posted by RACKITUP
    Did u say how much u weigh?? Because 200g protein aint much,

    Edit: Read your sig, and weighing 165Lbs, you should really IMHO be getting 330g AT LEAST

    umm ok you should be getting 1-2 grams of protein per lb. of body weight

    ok lets do the math shall we well 165 grams is his minimum and 330 grams is his max not his minimum if he gets any more his body wouldnt even be able 2 use any of it 200 is perfect
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    for all of you guys saying that "all of that protein is bad for your kidneys" id like to know, how do you know that? just how much is bad for your kidneys? and yes ive read all of that bull**** inthe fitness and nutrion books myself all through college but can you show me a study done on healthy individuals that can prove this and not one done on people with prexisting kidney problems? i doubt it because there are none.if you want to grow push the protein to at least 2 grams per lb of bodyweight. if you want to stay the same and bitch forever about being a "hardgainer", then go ahead and worry about the kidney damage that will probably never happen and stick with one gram per lb or less. id love to see the people who arent from the "misinformed" school of 2 grams per lb of bodyweight post how big they are(heres a hint 175 lbs isnt big).
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    Originally Posted by sloowdown
    for all of you guys saying that "all of that protein is bad for your kidneys" id like to know, how do you know that? just how much is bad for your kidneys? and yes ive read all of that bull**** inthe fitness and nutrion books myself all through college but can you show me a study done on healthy individuals that can prove this and not one done on people with prexisting kidney problems? i doubt it because there are none.if you want to grow push the protein to at least 2 grams per lb of bodyweight. if you want to stay the same and bitch forever about being a "hardgainer", then go ahead and worry about the kidney damage that will probably never happen and stick with one gram per lb or less. id love to see the people who arent from the "misinformed" school of 2 grams per lb of bodyweight post how big they are(heres a hint 175 lbs isnt big).
    hey sloowdown

    You really need to remember who you're talking to here. It's a bunch of goddamn kids that read an article in Flex and all of a sudden they're an expert. Half of them have less than a year's experience and they read a study by Layne and take it to be gold.

    This is my point to those that say that more than 1g per pound of bodyweight is too much. Think about it, how many small guys do you know that have been religiously lifting for a while and have been taking in 2g per pound of bodyweight in protein for that same period of time. If the biggest, strongest, thickest bodybuilders are doing these things (heavy eating, heavy protein, heavy rest, ultra heavy but safe lifting) then what the hell makes you little guys think that YOURE right in assuming that anything more than 1g per pound of bodyweight is a waste?

    Point simple, point blank, LOL.
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    I used to do the same about a gallon n 1/2 a day then I got kidney stones at 21 and all that cacium will get to you I promise maybe not today or next week but it will and you will be crying like a baby when it does
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