I have enjoyed doing dl's but due to a recent injury I was thinking of cutting them out for a while...how important do you think they are for overall hypertrophy? I see a lot of pretty big people in the gym that never do DL's so was thinking maybe DLs help strength more than hypertrophy since when deadlifting I see my strength in other lifts increase for sure
your thoughts?
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08-25-2004, 12:07 AM #1
How important are deadlifts for overall hypertrophy?
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08-25-2004, 06:42 AM #2
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08-25-2004, 07:02 AM #3
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08-25-2004, 07:16 AM #4Originally posted by bigpump23
i'm with him just yesterday i did deads and hurt myself. I'm having bad backs spams and my leg day today was just awfully weak, i'm sondiering dropping deads seeing how I got a pretty thick back from rowing
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08-25-2004, 07:20 AM #5
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08-25-2004, 07:34 AM #6
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08-25-2004, 07:39 AM #7Originally posted by bigpump23
I always do back the day before legs. Also I wasn't gonna miss a day.. i'd rather have a half-ass leg workout then not have one at all. Yes i didn't warm up right
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08-25-2004, 07:40 AM #8
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08-25-2004, 08:10 AM #9
One major problem why lots of guys hurt themselves is not always because of improper form. A lot of times, guys just don't understand the importance of flexibility in powerlifting. Olympic weightlifters are among the most flexible athletes in the world. You will increase risk of injury of you do not develope your flexibility on certain movements, one of these movements are deadlifts.
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08-25-2004, 09:07 AM #10
yea i pulled my lower back with deadlifts after doing them fine for almost a year. i just jumped up in weight and my form got sloppy on my last rep due to fatigue i guess (rounded my back, didnt use legs as much)
the thing is i know its basically for powerlifters but should help for thickness, traps, etc...any other opinions?
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08-25-2004, 09:10 AM #11
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08-25-2004, 10:55 AM #12
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08-25-2004, 11:43 AM #13
Online I always read that you must have deads in your routine or you won't have a big back. I did deads for 2.5 years and finally stopped because it was too much on me. All the effort I put into them and no real pay off (size gains).
For the last 6 months I've been doing rows, pullups, hypers for back and I'm getting better results without doing deads.
I only deadlift light now once every month or so 3x8 but I don't use them as my main back exercise anymore.
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08-25-2004, 11:55 AM #14
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08-25-2004, 01:20 PM #15Originally posted by eddie905
Online I always read that you must have deads in your routine or you won't have a big back. I did deads for 2.5 years and finally stopped because it was too much on me. All the effort I put into them and no real pay off (size gains).
For the last 6 months I've been doing rows, pullups, hypers for back and I'm getting better results without doing deads.
I only deadlift light now once every month or so 3x8 but I don't use them as my main back exercise anymore.
Deadlifts are no more "necessary" than any other exercise. The only exercise that seems to have no substitute is Squats.
Deadlifts don't isolate anything enough to be a mandatory bodybuilding move. If you are trying to work your low-back, do SLDLs or Good Mornings, traps?-shrugs or hang cleans, Back thickness? Bent over rows do a better job.
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08-25-2004, 01:37 PM #16Originally posted by Defiant1
The key word is "online". LOL
Deadlifts are no more "necessary" than any other exercise. The only exercise that seems to have no substitute is Squats.
Deadlifts don't isolate anything enough to be a mandatory bodybuilding move. If you are trying to work your low-back, do SLDLs or Good Mornings, traps?-shrugs or hang cleans, Back thickness? Bent over rows do a better job.
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08-25-2004, 04:28 PM #17
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08-25-2004, 04:46 PM #18
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Originally posted by Defiant1
The key word is "online". LOL
Deadlifts are no more "necessary" than any other exercise. The only exercise that seems to have no substitute is Squats.
Deadlifts don't isolate anything enough to be a mandatory bodybuilding move. If you are trying to work your low-back, do SLDLs or Good Mornings, traps?-shrugs or hang cleans, Back thickness? Bent over rows do a better job.Last edited by DiamondDelts; 08-25-2004 at 04:50 PM.
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08-25-2004, 04:50 PM #19Originally posted by DiamondDelts
Yeah, but the common thinking when you question deads are " Do you see how big olympic lifter's backs are" or "Olympic lifters have done them for years with a low injury rate" People always leave out that most o-lifters are naturally HUGE men with thick bones like baseball bats. I would like to see the effects of these olympic lifts over time on a common ectomorph with small bones that were not made to handle such intense loads.
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08-25-2004, 06:28 PM #20
very interesting. i always thought the bb.com forums were very "pro DL", especially when you go to the workout program section where all the vets always include DLs on either back or leg day when helping someone with a routine
i am going to drop them for a while. they were very good for strength but mostly aiming for hypertrophy right now
thanks guys
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08-25-2004, 07:34 PM #21
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08-25-2004, 07:35 PM #22Originally posted by double e
very interesting. i always thought the bb.com forums were very "pro DL", especially when you go to the workout program section where all the vets always include DLs on either back or leg day when helping someone with a routine
i am going to drop them for a while. they were very good for strength but mostly aiming for hypertrophy right now
thanks guys"When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail."
-Abraham Maslow
"Ass busting work + consistency + time = results.
Burn that into your head and quit looking for quick fixes and secrets. Because they don't exist."
-Lyle McDonald
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-Charlie Francis
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08-25-2004, 07:46 PM #23Originally posted by double e
very interesting. i always thought the bb.com forums were very "pro DL", especially when you go to the workout program section where all the vets always include DLs on either back or leg day when helping someone with a routine
i am going to drop them for a while. they were very good for strength but mostly aiming for hypertrophy right now
thanks guys"When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail."
-Abraham Maslow
"Ass busting work + consistency + time = results.
Burn that into your head and quit looking for quick fixes and secrets. Because they don't exist."
-Lyle McDonald
"You can't overwhelm idiots with knowledge, but, sadly, the knowledgable can be overwhelmed by idiots."
-Charlie Francis
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08-25-2004, 07:46 PM #24Originally posted by double e
very interesting. i always thought the bb.com forums were very "pro DL", especially when you go to the workout program section where all the vets always include DLs on either back or leg day when helping someone with a routine
i am going to drop them for a while. they were very good for strength but mostly aiming for hypertrophy right now
thanks guys"When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail."
-Abraham Maslow
"Ass busting work + consistency + time = results.
Burn that into your head and quit looking for quick fixes and secrets. Because they don't exist."
-Lyle McDonald
"You can't overwhelm idiots with knowledge, but, sadly, the knowledgable can be overwhelmed by idiots."
-Charlie Francis
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08-25-2004, 08:22 PM #25Originally posted by double e
very interesting. i always thought the bb.com forums were very "pro DL", especially when you go to the workout program section where all the vets always include DLs on either back or leg day when helping someone with a routine
i am going to drop them for a while. they were very good for strength but mostly aiming for hypertrophy right now
thanks guys"When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail."
-Abraham Maslow
"Ass busting work + consistency + time = results.
Burn that into your head and quit looking for quick fixes and secrets. Because they don't exist."
-Lyle McDonald
"You can't overwhelm idiots with knowledge, but, sadly, the knowledgable can be overwhelmed by idiots."
-Charlie Francis
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08-25-2004, 10:03 PM #26
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Re: Re: How important are deadlifts for overall hypertrophy?
Originally posted by zackmurphy
For hypertrophy, not very important at all.
Originally posted by Defiant1
Deadlifts are no more "necessary" than any other exercise. The only exercise that seems to have no substitute is Squats.
Deadlifts don't isolate anything enough to be a mandatory bodybuilding move. If you are trying to work your low-back, do SLDLs or Good Mornings, traps?-shrugs or hang cleans, Back thickness? Bent over rows do a better job.
yes, deads, do not isolate anything - but they use almost every pulling muscle in your body.
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08-25-2004, 10:18 PM #27
Re: Re: Re: How important are deadlifts for overall hypertrophy?
Originally posted by SDFlipStyle
WRONG - do deads and watch all your body parts start to grow.
Originally posted by SDFlipStyle
yes, deads, do not isolate anything - but they use almost every pulling muscle in your body.
Yes, they work traps with a heavy isometric, but it's not an actual concentric contraction. They work the lower back, but it's not a full flexion for the lower leg, so only a partial ROM. And it's a partial for the glutes and hams, too. But still, not a full flex/extension for any part. Not a full ROM.
So are the NECESSARY for hypertrophy? Obviously not. You can get plenty big and never do a dead.
And hey, I still do them - I enjoy them. But you're arguing a different point.Last edited by zackmurphy; 08-25-2004 at 10:22 PM.
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08-25-2004, 11:00 PM #28
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Re: Re: Re: Re: How important are deadlifts for overall hypertrophy?
Originally posted by zackmurphy
That's a different question.
But they don't do a GREAT job at anything. They touch on a number of muscle groups, yes, but there's no group that deads work that some number of other moves hit more effectively.
Yes, they work traps with a heavy isometric, but it's not an actual concentric contraction. They work the lower back, but it's not a full flexion for the lower leg, so only a partial ROM. And it's a partial for the glutes and hams, too. But still, not a full flex/extension for any part. Not a full ROM.
So are the NECESSARY for hypertrophy? Obviously not. You can get plenty big and never do a dead.
And hey, I still do them - I enjoy them. But you're arguing a different point.
question was "deads for overall hypertrophy?"
answer was " do deads - body will grow"
what's the problem???
why do all those other exercises - leg curls, SLDL, back extensions, shrugs - for 3 sets each or whatever and get a decent workout.
Just do heavy deads for 5 sets 3 reps and you covered it all.
you can get size without deads, but why go through all that trouble? do deads, eat, sleep, stop doing the butt blaster, and eat and grow.
just do deads.
just do them. do the damn deadlifts alright.
DO YOUR DAMN DEADLIFTS!!!!
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