Cee & Kre-alkyln Debunked!!!!

[sixthsense]

Well, you guys will be seeing some very interesting turn of events very soon regarding the validity of this "study" but lets just start with this:

Table 1 Creatine content of different forms of creatine
Form of creatine Creatine content (%)

Difference in CM (%)

Creatine anhydrous 100.0 +13.8
CM 87.9 0
Creatine ethyl ester 82.4 −6.3
Creatine malate (3:1) 74.7 −15.0
Creatine methyl ester HCl 72.2 −17.9
Creatine citrate (3:1) 66 −24.9
Creatine malate (2:1) 66 −24.9
Creatine pyruvate 60 −31.7
Creatine α-amino butyrate 56.2 −36.0
Creatine α-ketoglutarate 53.8 −38.8
Sodium creatine phosphate 51.4 −41.5
Creatine taurinate 51.4 −41.6
Creatine pyroglutamate 50.6 −42.4
Creatine ketoisocaproate 50.4 −42.7
Creatine orotate (3:1) 45.8 −47.9
Carnitine creatinate 44.9 −49.0
Creatine decanoate 43.4 −50.7
Creatine gluconate 40.2 −54.3

1370 R. Ja¨ger et al.123

Can someone please point to where Kre Alkalyn is even mentioned on the list of tested creatines?

And that is just issue #1!

[neddo]

Kre alkalyn is a joke.



Why is this still bumped and talked about? Good god, move on already.

[sixthsense]

Kre alkalyn is a joke.



Why is this still bumped and talked about? Good god, move on already.

Then by logic, creatine monohydrate is a joke. Excellent work my friend!

[neddo]

Brb mixing bicarbonate with my creapure.


Good luck down-spinning my argument this time.

[sixthsense]

Brb mixing bicarbonate with my creapure.


Good luck down-spinning my argument this time.

Test KA and see if there is any SA or bicarbonate in it. Also learn that neither of these things can raise PH to 12 unless in GRAM amounts. Thus, your argument is destroyed and quite easily. But thanks for playing! : )

[neddo]

Show me a study where kre alkalyn shows any improvements over creatine monohydrate.

[sixthsense]

Here is one, but it won't matter to you. You already have your mind made up.

Kre-Alkalyn Clinical Trial
“Using Olympic-Level Weight Lifters”
Start Date: March 1st 2006th
Finished Date: April 30th, 2006

Dr. Kamen Stroychev & Neno Terziiski, Comparison of Kre-Alkalyn to Creatine on body
composition, muscular performance, & safety: Dr. I.S. Greenberg Medical Center, Sofia,
Bulgaria.

Objectives: The purpose of this study was to compare the effects of Kre-Alkalyn and Creatine
Monohydrate on training induced changes in strength and body composition using Olympic-level
weight lifters.

Methods: Using a random, double-blind design, 24 healthy men from the Bulgarian National Weight

Lifting Team were selected and assigned to ingest 10 capsules x 750 mg of Kre-Alkalyn daily (for
the test group) and 10 capsules x 750 mg of creatine monohydrate (for the controlled group).
Verification of purity was assayed by an independent laboratory. Body weight was monitored, even though participating athletes were on strict diets due to their Olympic status of competition.

Muscular performance was measured in the snatch, clean & jerk, high snatch, & back squat. Lifts
were performed at maximum resistence for 1 repetition. The duration of the study was 60 days.
Measurements were taken on baseline day and every day throughout the study per each athlete’s schedule. The best lift during the administration part of study was used for the comparison. Each athlete was required to maintain their normal dietary and training patterns during the study.

Results: The Creatine Monohydrate group showed an average increase over baseline of 8.39% for
the snatch, clean & jerk, high snatch, & back squat. The Kre-Alkalyn group showed an average
increase over baseline of 10.76%. By comparison, the average increase in total lifts for the Kre-
Alkalyn group in the snatch, clean & jerk, high snatch, & back squat was 28.25% over the Creatine Monohydrate group.

Additionally, the Kre-Alkalyn group appeared to be healthy without any side effects from
daily Kre-Alkalyn administration. No significant changes in body weight for either the Creatine
Monohydrate group or the Kre-Alkalyn group were noted.

Conclusion: Within the framework and context of the current experimental design, this study
concluded that subjects in the Kre-Alkalyn group increased their weight poundages by an average of 28.25% over subjects in the Creatine Monohydrate group. It should be noted that it is quite difficult for high-caliber Olympic-level athletes to produce considerable improvements in their muscular performance in such a short time-frame. Therefore, a 28.25% increase is considered to be a significant value.

[fitnfirm]

speechless

[fitnfirm]

I used it as a noob, it did absolutely nothing. No amount of information can convince me otherwise.

[sixthsense]

I used it as a noob, it did absolutely nothing. No amount of information can convince me otherwise.

Since it is 99.9% CM, I guess you are a non-responder to CM! I think it is best you remain speechless : )

[An Inconvenient Bro]

Well, you guys

always love seeing directives starting off with this condescending phrase

[PaintPir]

I used it as a noob, it did absolutely nothing. No amount of information can convince me otherwise.

I have gone through several bottles and never noticed a difference compared to mono. I couldnt keep justifying the price difference.

[str8flexed]

where was this study published? i have not seen it, would like to get the full text

[PhineasGage24]

I love how the abstract of that study was worded. The authors sure took on a personal tone and let us know their opinion on kre-alkalyn. Seems well done and professional! I wonder who funded it and what journal it was published in.

[str8flexed]

I love how the abstract of that study was worded. The authors sure took on a personal tone and let us know their opinion on kre-alkalyn. Seems well done and professional! I wonder who funded it and what journal it was published in.

well every study is funded by someone, money doesn't fall out of the sky for research, so who funds it is not a valid criticism. The part about the wording... you are right, that seemed... odd for a scientific manuscript

[INGENIUM]

where was this study published? i have not seen it, would like to get the full text

I'm sure it was peer reviewed and published in a scientific journal...probably Flex Magazine