Creatine Ethyl Ester

[Vinnie Bobarino]

It seems as if this is the new hot item in the industry. What I want to know is if there is any studies or legitamate science showing this stuff to be better than any other form of creatine.

[Erosado17]

So far b/c of the marketing issues i havent been able to find any scientific studies either man. All i hear is advertising saying that it has 39x the absorbsion rate. but then again thats an advertisment. either way i hear it wont be available till january due to marketing issues.

[loern]

Yet another type of creatine? Man, this is getting ridiculous! There are already 15 different types of creatine on the marked.

I would also like to know if this new version works better.

[Erosado17]

Honestly I think that When Creatine Ethyl ester does finally hit the market im gonna give it a try. But im only going to use MRI's CE2. I hear due to legal issues (Other companies are complaining to the FDA that MRI's CE2 is too potent so now MRI needs to renew their formula. I hear that other companies are using this time to come up with their own version of creatine ethyl ester) CE2 cant be release BUT that they have the original patent on Creatine ethyl ester so theirs should be better than the other brand names. then again this may be all crap but these are the rumors going around. IDK i just want the damn thing to come out so i can try it.

[pu12en12g]

I'm interested in the science behind this as well.

[Myself]

What are the 15 types of creatine? How would u rate them?

[32stilllifting]

Creatine Monohydrate is the most well known of all the creatines. Most if not all of the peer reviewed scientific literature that has been published has used plain old Creatine Monohydrate.

I am an exercise physiologist (by education)...Don't waste your money on these so called superior Creatines if you are already experiencing good results with CM.

[32stilllifting]

By the way University of Nebraska Medical Center and Biovance own rights to Creatine Ethyl Ester. MRI has exclusive rights to sell in U.S.

This has not been approved by the FDA as of yet.

The Creatine Ethyl Esters that are on the market are questionable products sourced from China...Contact the above if you don't believe me. Better yet Contact the FDA.

Again I would stick with a good source of Creatine Monohydrate like Prolab or Ultimate's CreaPure. I have always had good results. I'm sure EAS and other companies have reputable Creatines also

[loern]

Originally posted by Myself
What are the 15 types of creatine? How would u rate them?

Well, I haven't tried any other type of creatine than CM.

Here are 11 types: (The remaining types are simply creatine in capsules, tablets, effervescent tablets and chewables)

- Creatine Monohydrate

- Creatine Ethyl Ester

- Creatine Anhydrous: Creatine with the water molecule removed. Durh! Increases the percentage of creatine per gram by 6%.

- Creatine Citrate: Creatine molecule attached to a citric acid molecule. Citric acid is important for aerob energy production within the muscle. CC may provide greater muscular energy boosts than CM. However, no research has confirmed this theory yet. Citrate allows better dissolution in water.

- Creatine Phosphate: Just creatine with a phospate molecule bound to it. Has been proven to be less effective than CM.

- Creatine Malate: Creatine bound to malic acid. Works pretty much the same way as creatine citrate. Though, its effectiveness hasn't been comfirmed yet either. Though it doesn't make your stomach upset.

- Creatine-Glutamine-Taurine: Glutamine and taurine are both cell volumizers. May be more effective than CM alone.

- Creatine HMB: Creatine bound to beta-hydroxy betamethylbutyrate. HMB aids muscle growth and recovery. C HMB is more soluble and resists degradation in the stomach better than CM. The two molecules split once they hit the bloodstream and are delivered seperately to the muscles. This is one of the newer creatine types, so there is no research to back up this theory.

- Creatine Tartrate: Creatine bound to tartaric acid. Used in capsules, tablets, etc. Isn't better than CM

- Creatine Titrate: Allows better solubility by changing the pH in the water when it is added.

- Liquid Creatine: Is supposed to be absorbed better since the creatine is completely dissolved. Gets unstable after a year.

- Magnesium Creatine: Creatine bound to magnesium. Helps protect the creatine from stomach acid and improves its absorption. Magnesium is necessary for the conversion of creatine phosphate to ATP. A study has shown that this type of creatine is slightly more effective than CM. Subjects taking MC demonstrated greater strentgh gains and their cells took in more fluid.

[32stilllifting]

FYI...I know of no liquid Creatines that are stable in liquid for any period of time.

Which one are you talking about? We all know about the law suit that one company has lost because their liquid creatine contains absolutely no creatine what so ever.

Later

[loern]

Well, this is what most companies claim. Though I wouldn't risk wasting money on liquid creatine.

[pu12en12g]

You forgot KreAlkalyn (Buffered Creatine)

[Coolio Jones]

Honestly I think that When Creatine Ethyl ester does finally hit the market im gonna give it a try. But im only going to use MRI's CE2. I hear due to legal issues (Other companies are complaining to the FDA that MRI's CE2 is too potent so now MRI needs to renew their formula. I hear that other companies are using this time to come up with their own version of creatine ethyl ester) CE2 cant be release BUT that they have the original patent on Creatine ethyl ester so theirs should be better than the other brand names. then again this may be all crap but these are the rumors going around. IDK i just want the damn thing to come out so i can try it.

MRI holds NO patents on Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL, check this page for what MRI DOES hold patents on:


http://www.mrihq.com/research.html#prop


I've actually been testing out a product that hasnt hit the market yet, and I'm getting good results... better than creatine? Hard to tell so far, but I am stronger and holding less water than when I load on regular creatine.

[rizay]

MRI holds NO patents on Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL, check this page for what MRI DOES hold patents on:


http://www.mrihq.com/research.html#prop


I've actually been testing out a product that hasnt hit the market yet, and I'm getting good results... better than creatine? Hard to tell so far, but I am stronger and holding less water than when I load on regular creatine.

I hear of companies having trouble with creatinine conversion...BSN is coming out with cellmass with patent pending creatine ester ethyl malate, and I hear they did fix the creatinine issue. I personally used CRE2, and thought I was seeing better endurance/strength, but didn't use it solo so I can't be sure. All in all mixed reviews, so take it's usage with a grain of salt as there are no published journal articles.

[TheOMEGA]

Creatine Malates have the best cost benfit ratio

[Dr Leucine]

So far b/c of the marketing issues i havent been able to find any scientific studies either man. All i hear is advertising saying that it has 39x the absorbsion rate. but then again thats an advertisment. either way i hear it wont be available till january due to marketing issues.

You're absolutely right, there is not a single scientific article available on this topic

[jjh04f]

It's already been produced. The CEX by VPX is what you guys are looking for.

[Zachattack43]

It's already been produced. The CEX by VPX is what you guys are looking for.

well CEX is not really what we are looking for. Sure it has CEE in it, but they wont even say how much plus it has regular creatine in it and AKG, i rather go with a company that tells me how much CEE is in it or a bulk powder of CEE which i will buy soon

[Big Cat]

well CEX is not really what we are looking for. Sure it has CEE in it, but they wont even say how much plus it has regular creatine in it and AKG, i rather go with a company that tells me how much CEE is in it or a bulk powder of CEE which i will buy soon

Classic VPX. 9 out of ten says it contains some creatine and some ethyl alcohol and they call it creatine ethyl and sell it for ten times the price calling it the latest new thing that's better than steroids. Just like back with the androtriol scam and they gave it steroid sounding names.

[Zachattack43]

they gave it steroid sounding names.

Now that is CLASSIC VPX and doesnt seem like it will stop

[Antonio]

Classic VPX. 9 out of ten says it contains some creatine and some ethyl alcohol and they call it creatine ethyl and sell it for ten times the price calling it the latest new thing that's better than steroids. Just like back with the androtriol scam and they gave it steroid sounding names.

So big cat, what's are your thoughts on the new CEE? Another scam??

[Big Cat]

So big cat, what's are your thoughts on the new CEE? Another scam??

What should I say ? I've yet to see any data on it at all, so I couldn't comment. But from the claims being made its only benefit is a lower creatinine conversion rate. In which case it is a total waste. Because studies demonstrate that with acute creatine ingestion you get a 13% rise in serum creatinine and a 50-fold rise in serum creatine. With higher ingestion, up to 35% is lost, but muscle creatine store still reach full capacity to transporter downregulation. So unless this CEE only costs 1/3000th more than regular creatine, yes, it will be a waste.

The bottom line is, if one creatine doesn't work for you, its more than likely another kind won't either. And if it does work for you, it really doesn't matter which one you take, so go for the cheaper ones.

[matpal]

FWIW, I have a few non-responders doing logs on bulk CEE over at anabolicmins.com, and so far the feedback has been very positive.

[TheTom]

99% of the User feedback on every forum I visit is always positive. When it comes to knowing whether a product works or not science should really be your only guide.

Honestly how many Logs have you seen where a guy paid a LOT of money for something. OR, he got something for FREE. OR he is a good friend of company owner... and he didn't have good feedback?

etc etc etc etc

The point is 99% of all user feedback is extremely good feedback. People don't want to look like fools.

Besides most supplements that do work, will not show the extreme positive results that many people claim. Because their claims are simply BS, even if they don't realize it.

How many times have I heard of people saying they constantly gain 20lbs every week on bench/squat from Arginine-AKG. The guy should be benching/squating like 800lbs by now. But instead if you carefully examine the log, nothing major has changed.

The simple matter of the fact is this. Lifting consistently and overeating will give gains. This totally screws up all User feedback you have ever read. Why?

Because when 99% of all posters on a forum buys/tests a new mass building product, what do they do? They raise their cals. This is the first thing I always notice.

Raising your cals will of course result in increase strength and increase LBM gain.

The entire User feedback can than be completely thrown out and dismissed.

Not to mention they begin to train harder, more consistently and they don't stop using their other supplements. Most User feedback=a complete waste.

*none of these % are fact but I'll be damned if they aren't close!

TIPS TO HAVING A SUCCESSFULL LOG

#1: Don't be biased in anyway, just get it out of your head
#2: Don't increase calories
#3: DON'T TAKE OTHER SUPPLEMENTS DURING THE TRIAL, you can do without your creatine for 4-6 weeks of your life or however long the trial is.
#4: Don't train differently.
#5: Don't spend more than you should, this will sway the test. No one wants to feel like they've blown money.
#6: When being given a supplement to test from a well known company. Get it out of your head that you are important and want to make them look good. So you can do further testing in the future. If you do this, you are a sellout punk bitch. Give a true feedback.
#7: Follow these steps and your feedback will not have been done in vain.

*if you have done User feedback before and are angry with any of these 7 steps, then you probably have broken one of them. Your feedback should be dismissed and you should note so in your log. Otherwise you have contributed nothing to the supplement world.

[Zachattack43]

99% of the User feedback on every forum I visit is always positive. When it comes to knowing whether a product works or not science should really be your only guide.

Honestly how many Logs have you seen where a guy paid a LOT of money for something. OR, he got something for FREE. OR he is a good friend of company owner... and he didn't have good feedback?

etc etc etc etc

The point is 99% of all user feedback is extremely good feedback. People don't want to look like fools.

Besides most supplements that do work, will not show the extreme positive results that many people claim. Because their claims are simply BS, even if they don't realize it.

How many times have I heard of people saying they constantly gain 20lbs every week on bench/squat from Arginine-AKG. The guy should be benching/squating like 800lbs by now. But instead if you carefully examine the log, nothing major has changed.

The simple matter of the fact is this. Lifting consistently and overeating will give gains. This totally screws up all User feedback you have ever read. Why?

Because when 99% of all posters on a forum buys/tests a new mass building product, what do they do? They raise their cals. This is the first thing I always notice.

Raising your cals will of course result in increase strength and increase LBM gain.

The entire User feedback can than be completely thrown out and dismissed.

Not to mention they begin to train harder, more consistently and they don't stop using their other supplements. Most User feedback=a complete waste.

*none of these % are fact but I'll be damned if they aren't close!

TIPS TO HAVING A SUCCESSFULL LOG

#1: Don't be biased in anyway, just get it out of your head
#2: Don't increase calories
#3: DON'T TAKE OTHER SUPPLEMENTS DURING THE TRIAL, you can do without your creatine for 4-6 weeks of your life or however long the trial is.
#4: Don't train differently.
#5: Don't spend more than you should, this will sway the test. No one wants to feel like they've blown money.
#6: When being given a supplement to test from a well known company. Get it out of your head that you are important and want to make them look good. So you can do further testing in the future. If you do this, you are a sellout punk bitch. Give a true feedback.
#7: Follow these steps and your feedback will not have been done in vain.

*if you have done User feedback before and are angry with any of these 7 steps, then you probably have broken one of them. Your feedback should be dismissed and you should note so in your log. Otherwise you have contributed nothing to the supplement world.

great rules, any problem with my logs bro?

[MusclesFlyers]

The simple matter of the fact is this. Lifting consistently and overeating will give gains. This totally screws up all User feedback you have ever read. Why?

Because when 99% of all posters on a forum buys/tests a new mass building product, what do they do? They raise their cals. This is the first thing I always notice.

Raising your cals will of course result in increase strength and increase LBM gain.

The entire User feedback can than be completely thrown out and dismissed.

Not to mention they begin to train harder, more consistently and they don't stop using their other supplements. Most User feedback=a complete waste.

*none of these % are fact but I'll be damned if they aren't close!

TIPS TO HAVING A SUCCESSFULL LOG

#1: Don't be biased in anyway, just get it out of your head
#2: Don't increase calories
#3: DON'T TAKE OTHER SUPPLEMENTS DURING THE TRIAL, you can do without your creatine for 4-6 weeks of your life or however long the trial is.
#4: Don't train differently.
#5: Don't spend more than you should, this will sway the test. No one wants to feel like they've blown money.
#6: When being given a supplement to test from a well known company. Get it out of your head that you are important and want to make them look good. So you can do further testing in the future. If you do this, you are a sellout punk bitch. Give a true feedback.
#7: Follow these steps and your feedback will not have been done in vain.

*if you have done User feedback before and are angry with any of these 7 steps, then you probably have broken one of them. Your feedback should be dismissed and you should note so in your log. Otherwise you have contributed nothing to the supplement world.

I commend you on your viewpoint(s) and opinions, but I'm going to have to disagree with you a little. Although I do believe that certain supplements are overrated and some even provide false feedback, I believe that most of the users out there provide honest feedback. When it comes to testing a product correctly, it is the experienced bodybuilder/weightlifter that provides the best feedback. This is due in part to the knowledge needed to provide the rest with adequate information/feedback. I do understand that certain people "increase their cals" and train harder when testing a new supplement thus producing false feedback, but the majority of weightlifters stick to their regular eating habits/training routine thus allocating all of their results to the supplement in which they are trying. i.e- The eating/training is the control of the experiment while the supplement is the variable.

[sikboy]

Does any1 know what dose a 273 lb body builder should use?
If so, how long should i stay on cee?

[TheOMEGA]

So unless this CEE only costs 1/3000th more than regular creatine, yes, it will be a waste.

.

I love this Quote


I think there are only 2 Creatines that matter

good ole reg creatine, and d-Creatine malate

and I include the d-creatine malate for it does have better solubilty, and just generally a different functionality ( meaning actuall pshysical differnces that are usefull)

[Cronus]

i like many other people out believe creatine is creatine and this marketing bull is getting very old but after reading several logs and giving into the hype i bought some. i'm on my 12 day and all i can say is it works very well. strength went up after about a week or so and i'm more vascular than i can ever remember, given i'm staying leaner now than i have in the past.

[Rippd]

Think about it. These supplement companies need to continue to come out with "new" and "improved" creatines so that people will buy it. It's called marketing. If everyone sells just creatine monohydrate, why would you buy one brand over another? So they come out with these new creatines to sell more.

Just read the ads from the newest forms of creatine, they claim "skin bursting pumps" and "no bloating". Regular creatine monohydrate does not bloat you. It draws water INTO the muscle not subq!

Bottom line, creatine monohydrate is the most researched, most proven, most time tested form of creatine.