Deen Gill - Three Reasons Why Ronnie Coleman Is Not My Champion!

[Ragnarok]

I don't understand WHY anyone would want to see a natural show. I don't want to watch a bunch of men walk around in posing trunks. WTF?

Ronnie Coleman is fascinating to watch because he's so damn huge.

But for the naturals. I see them in the gym every day. BFD!

I don't see Ronnie Coleman in my gym, ever.

[str8flexed]

yes I'm sure you see guys walking around your gym like this all the time right

[JamesBarlow]

Originally posted by str8flexed
yes I'm sure you see guys walking around your gym like this all the time right

Are you kidding??

I bet most of these guys who are posting are bigger and more shredded then any natural out there today.

Or they have never even tried to compete so they have no real appreciation for what the REAL competitors go through.

I'm sure most of them have conviced themselves that they could look like the natural pro's if they wanted to. They just don't want to because (fill in your own typical gym rat excuse for why they don't compete).

[goth666]

sounds like someone just wanted store credit so they decided to write an article and bash pro's.


Ronnie was like twice that dude's size when he was natural, why not write an article about that?

[DtotheWizzy]

Originally posted by webmaster
Three Reasons Why Ronnie Coleman Is Not My Champion!

I'm sure he will be upset that he doesn't have a 'Deen Gill Open' trophy on his shelf next to all the sandows that he owns.

Everyone in the game takes the same drugs as Ronnie, so why do you only hate him? Jealous because he carries the most muscle mass of anyone IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND?

[Unregistered]

good article; 2 strong arguements...jay really looks like he's drunk a little bit of juice; got a little off track with 3rd point; however, the natural bodybuilders deserve more respect than they are given; more bigwigs in the sport should take notice at the truth you are speaking!

[johnnyironboard]

Originally posted by Unregistered
the natural bodybuilders deserve more respect than they are given; more bigwigs in the sport should take notice at the truth you are speaking!

It's all about butts in seats.

I will flat out state that I believe that the top 10 in the Olympia would be the top 10 with or without steroids. If testosterone had not been invented Ronnie Coleman would still win.

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by goth666
sounds like someone just wanted store credit so they decided to write an article and bash pro's.


Ronnie was like twice that dude's size when he was natural, why not write an article about that?

yes I'm sure ronnie called and told you when he started using right

[goth666]

Originally posted by str8flexed
yes I'm sure ronnie called and told you when he started using right

i knew that was coming. i know u probably dont believe he was natural in 91', but i do. lets just agree to disagree b4 this gets ugly.

[DtotheWizzy]

Layne can tell if someone is using by just looking at them...

[goth666]

lol

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by DtotheWizzy
Layne can tell if someone is using by just looking at them...

yea and you are good at putting words in my mouth. I never said he wasn't natural in 91, I'm simply saying it's impossible to know when he started using... so why speculate? It's ridiculous.

[Unregistered]

Natural bodybuilders don't need mainstream bbing to make a living. Several of them already do IN THE JC PENNY CATALOUGE!
I myself have used and look at these side effects:
1. Stopped drinking
2. stopped smoking
3. No more depression
4. Better work ethic
5. Better home life
etc.
And anyone who says, "Well you could do that w/out it." has never done it. There's a difference between control and abuse. As for the law it may be illegal to breathe tomorrow.
As for the author, live and let live. I'm sure he never did 36 in a 35. Breaking the law is breaking the law!

[Mighty Mikey G]

Originally posted by goth666
i knew that was coming. i know u probably dont believe he was natural in 91', but i do. lets just agree to disagree b4 this gets ugly.

LOL why would anybody believe Ronnie when he says he was natural in 91? Because he says so? He also said he was natural in 2000 on Jay Leno. I find it extremely hard to believe that a guy like Ronnie who uses alot of drugs would wait so many years to start.

[DtotheWizzy]

Originally posted by str8flexed
yea and you are good at putting words in my mouth. I never said he wasn't natural in 91, I'm simply saying it's impossible to know when he started using... so why speculate? It's ridiculous.

It looks to me like you are the one that is speculating that he was on roids in 91. Guilty before proven innocent.


The whole roid issue is irrelevent anyway...millions of young men take AAS...and there is only ONE Mr. O

[DtotheWizzy]

Originally posted by Mighty Mikey G
LOL why would anybody believe Ronnie when he says he was natural in 91? Because he says so? He also said he was natural in 2000 on Jay Leno. I find it extremely hard to believe that a guy like Ronnie who uses alot of drugs would wait so many years to start.

If you were taking illegal substances, would YOU admit to it on national TV? Thought so...

The legality of steroids is a moot point. 1. There are alot more dangerous things out there that are legal and 2. If you lived in a country in which steroids were legal and used them, would the morality of taking AAS be an issue?

[johnnyironboard]

Originally posted by DtotheWizzy
If you were taking illegal substances, would YOU admit to it on national TV? Thought so...

The legality of steroids is a moot point. 1. There are alot more dangerous things out there that are legal and 2. If you lived in a country in which steroids were legal and used them, would the morality of taking AAS be an issue?

Is taking Ripped fuel that you bought before the ban unethical and cheating?

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Natural bodybuilders don't need mainstream bbing to make a living. Several of them already do IN THE JC PENNY CATALOUGE!
I myself have used and look at these side effects:
1. Stopped drinking
2. stopped smoking
3. No more depression
4. Better work ethic
5. Better home life
etc.
And anyone who says, "Well you could do that w/out it." has never done it. There's a difference between control and abuse. As for the law it may be illegal to breathe tomorrow.
As for the author, live and let live. I'm sure he never did 36 in a 35. Breaking the law is breaking the law!

while i agree that steroids are not the great evil most people make them out to be... I don't really understand everyone's animosity towards those who choose to bodybuild without them.

[goth666]

Originally posted by DtotheWizzy
It looks to me like you are the one that is speculating that he was on roids in 91.

.

[JamesBarlow]

Originally posted by str8flexed
I don't really understand everyone's animosity towards those who choose to bodybuild without them.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this.

I get the feeling that many seem to think you're not really a bodybuilder unless you are using drugs. They have little to no respect for the naturals but some kind of twisted admiration for the drug users.

[goth666]

Originally posted by JamesBarlow
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this.

I get the feeling that many seem to think you're not really a bodybuilder unless you are using drugs. They have little to no respect for the naturals but some kind of twisted admiration for the drug users.

i dont think its a "twisted admiration". its just that the guys on drugs are generally bigger, and alot of ppl such as myself, are more into the mass monsters like Ronnie. the only naturals i even like are Jeff, Skip, and Derik Farnsworth.


(ya layne, i know i know, u dont think they're natural)

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by goth666
i dont think its a "twisted admiration". its just that the guys on drugs are generally bigger, and alot of ppl such as myself, are more into the mass monsters like Ronnie. the only naturals i even like are Jeff, Skip, and Derik Farnsworth.


(ya layne, i know i know, u dont think they're natural)

i'm tired of you putting words into my damned mouth, find one post where I ever said Jeff, Skip, or Derek weren't natural. I've met and talked to derek in person, thought he was a great guy; but now you are going to go make up ****. I can appreciate if you don't like me for whatever reason... but don't put words into my mouth

[phospodar]

Originally posted by goth666
i dont think its a "twisted admiration". its just that the guys on drugs are generally bigger, and alot of ppl such as myself, are more into the mass monsters like Ronnie.

I'm new to bodybuilding, but I just have to wonder where the "mass monster" mentality is gonna end?

I mean, from a purely aesthetic viewpoint, the BIG GUYS like Ronnie Coleman and Markus Ruhl are very boxy looking. Thin skin and low BF % can only go so far, but that body type still ends up making them look out of shape, and the body they've built isn't in line with human proportions.

I mean, I really respect powerlifters for their strength and training, but I don't want to look like them.

I think the purpose of bodybuilding should be to get big and strong and still be able to walk around without getting winded because you're carrying so much muscle mass that you can't be active.

[goth666]

Originally posted by str8flexed
i'm tired of you putting words into my damned mouth, find one post where I ever said Jeff, Skip, or Derek weren't natural. I've met and talked to derek in person, thought he was a great guy; but now you are going to go make up ****. I can appreciate if you don't like me for whatever reason... but don't put words into my mouth

i never put words in ur "damned mouth". in fact, i took them out. ive seen threads from a year or more ago where u accused Skip of not being natural, and that just b/c he sez he his, doesnt mean its the truth.

and i sed "(ya layne, i know i know, u dont think they're natural) " b/c ur usually one of the ppl to come out and say "no there not natural, they can use short acting esters that wont show up" etc etc

[thickjerk]

Originally posted by Ragnarok
I don't understand WHY anyone would want to see a natural show. I don't want to watch a bunch of men walk around in posing trunks. WTF?

Ronnie Coleman is fascinating to watch because he's so damn huge.

But for the naturals. I see them in the gym every day. BFD!

damn straight! i want to be so muscular i cant wipe my ass. ronnie is my role model. if some doesnt have the guts to grow as big as possible any way possible dont bitch and whine about those thatdo.

[phospodar]

Yeah, I'm not so sure my goal for bodybuilding would be to be unable to wipe my ass.

But it's good to have goals, so, good luck with that

[IronMW]

Ronnie Coleman is a true champion, for many reasons. Unlike YOU Deen. Seems all you can do for attention is bring up what has been called a "non-topic"...IMO the point of BB is now to see just how far human knowledge, technology, and dedication can push a physique....Along the lines of evolution, in the sense of displaying any advancement modern techniques & science have made. I believe it is a perpetual experiment and achievement.
Many bystanders overlook this in their mainstream view.
I happen to savor the fact that this is an elite/esoteric subculture. The masses and the sheep can continue to misunderstand it & stay the hell away. It seems so obvious to hardcore BB enthusiasts that it is redundant & laughable that people like Deen think it is up for discussion. This is a moot point, and people like Deen are wasting time.

To anyone that has had concerns about Ronnie having been a law enforcement officer and "evidently" breaking the law, (by displaying a physique so freakish that presumably he must use illegal substances)....Did it ever occur to you that maybe he just used Cell Tech, and has slightly better genetics than the other top competitors who built their physiques with this?

Seriously though, if you knew you were born to be the best bodybuilder on earth, but also wanted to make a daily contribution to keeping the streets safer what would you do? He's not hurting anyone! So someone breaks an unpatriotic law to BUILD themselves, and the crime is victimless. What has this really done to make him less of hero? This guy has plenty of courage. He leads by example. He knows that the criminalization of steroids should not be occuring in "The Land of The Free."
He must break this law to realize his full potential as pro BBer. Still, he continued to protect & serve, despite destructive criticism.
That is an example of doing whatever it takes to stand up for what you believe in- which is the principle America was founded upon.

Ronnie Coleman: the embodiment of what this country REALLY stands for. He BUILT himself. That's what soldiers have given their lives for. So other brave men can have the freedom to make their mark in this world however they choose to.
Why else did Schwarzenneger originally move to the U.S.? He knew there was freedom & opportunity here that could be found nowhere else. He took that & created an empire and a legacy.
Why shouldn't Coleman have this same freedom and opportunity? JUST BECAUSE HE HAD THE BRAVERY TO FIGHT CRIME?! (REAL crime). There would be dangerous people on the street to threaten the freedoms of everyone else if people like Coleman didn't step forward with a gun & a badge to risk their lives to protect us.

Deen, you are also a hypocrite, as you have stated YOU yourself use Methyl1Testoterone, and 1Test propylcarbonate.....

{"I still have some ephedra and will use it until I run out, then I will try to find something else. Just like I will use M1T and 1test propylcarbonate until I run out, and then try to find something else."}

...I am quoting you, loser. And, you wrote that on 7/26, last week!! 1Test is...a STEROID!, by definition....


I. 1-Testosterone Info And Products
The First Real Legal Steroid?
1-Testosterone
Name: 1-Testosterone
Structure: 17-hydroxy-5alpha- androst-1-en-3-one
Effective Dose: 300 mg/day orally, 200 mg/day transdermally, 100-150 mg/day ethergel
Characteristics:
1-Testosterone is a revolution in itself for the supplement industry, and with it we have entered the final leg to making supplements equally effective to steroids. Let's not kid ourselves here, some may wish to deny it, but 1-Test is an actual steroid. It's legal under the same act as prohormones, that indicates a steroidal nutrient can be sold legally if it is A) naturally occurring and B) not previously been pursued as a pharmaceutical.

II...The substance 1-Testosterone (17-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one) has been reported to be seven times more potent than regular testosterone and Methyl-1-Testosterone has been shown to be even more potent than regular 1-Tesosterone. The drug 1-testosterone was methylated to protect it from liver destruction, thereby increasing oral availability. For this reason Methyl-1-Tesosterone is the most potent form of 1-Testosterone available.

These 2 paragraphs were cut and pasted here directly from THIS websites product listings for 1Test and Methyl1Test...
look it up. If you have any integrity, you will humbly remove your preposterous articles from this website. You posting them was foolish.

[Mighty Mikey G]

Originally posted by DtotheWizzy
If you were taking illegal substances, would YOU admit to it on national TV? Thought so...

Yeah i'm well aware that he shouldn't say he uses them on national TV. I just think it is hilarious that people believe him when he says he was natural in 91.

[goth666]

Originally posted by IronMW
Ronnie Coleman is a true champion, for many reasons. Unlike YOU Deen. Seems all you can do for attention is bring up what has been called a "non-topic"...IMO the point of BB is now to see just how far human knowledge, technology, and dedication can push a physique....Along the lines of evolution, in the sense of displaying any advancement modern techniques & science have made. I believe it is a perpetual experiment and achievement.
Many bystanders overlook this in their mainstream view.
I happen to savor the fact that this is an elite/esoteric subculture. The masses and the sheep can continue to misunderstand it & stay the hell away. It seems so obvious to hardcore BB enthusiasts that it is redundant & laughable that people like Deen think it is up for discussion. This is a moot point, and people like Deen are wasting time.

To anyone that has had concerns about Ronnie having been a law enforcement officer and "evidently" breaking the law, (by displaying a physique so freakish that presumably he must use illegal substances)....Did it ever occur to you that maybe he just used Cell Tech, and has slightly better genetics than the other top competitors who built their physiques with this?

Seriously though, if you knew you were born to be the best bodybuilder on earth, but also wanted to make a daily contribution to keeping the streets safer what would you do? He's not hurting anyone! So someone breaks an unpatriotic law to BUILD themselves, and the crime is victimless. What has this really done to make him less of hero? This guy has plenty of courage. He leads by example. He knows that the criminalization of steroids should not be occuring in "The Land of The Free."
He must break this law to realize his full potential as pro BBer. Still, he continued to protect & serve, despite destructive criticism.
That is an example of doing whatever it takes to stand up for what you believe in- which is the principle America was founded upon.

Ronnie Coleman: the embodiment of what this country REALLY stands for. He BUILT himself. That's what soldiers have given their lives for. So other brave men can have the freedom to make their mark in this world however they choose to.
Why else did Schwarzenneger originally move to the U.S.? He knew there was freedom & opportunity here that could be found nowhere else. He took that & created an empire and a legacy.
Why shouldn't Coleman have this same freedom and opportunity? JUST BECAUSE HE HAD THE BRAVERY TO FIGHT CRIME?! (REAL crime). There would be dangerous people on the street to threaten the freedoms of everyone else if people like Coleman didn't step forward with a gun & a badge to risk their lives to protect us.

Deen, you are also a hypocrite, as you have stated YOU yourself use Methyl1Testoterone, and 1Test propylcarbonate.....

{"I still have some ephedra and will use it until I run out, then I will try to find something else. Just like I will use M1T and 1test propylcarbonate until I run out, and then try to find something else."}

...I am quoting you, loser. And, you wrote that on 7/26, last week!! 1Test is...a STEROID!, by definition....


I. 1-Testosterone Info And Products
The First Real Legal Steroid?
1-Testosterone
Name: 1-Testosterone
Structure: 17-hydroxy-5alpha- androst-1-en-3-one
Effective Dose: 300 mg/day orally, 200 mg/day transdermally, 100-150 mg/day ethergel
Characteristics:
1-Testosterone is a revolution in itself for the supplement industry, and with it we have entered the final leg to making supplements equally effective to steroids. Let's not kid ourselves here, some may wish to deny it, but 1-Test is an actual steroid. It's legal under the same act as prohormones, that indicates a steroidal nutrient can be sold legally if it is A) naturally occurring and B) not previously been pursued as a pharmaceutical.

II...The substance 1-Testosterone (17-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one) has been reported to be seven times more potent than regular testosterone and Methyl-1-Testosterone has been shown to be even more potent than regular 1-Tesosterone. The drug 1-testosterone was methylated to protect it from liver destruction, thereby increasing oral availability. For this reason Methyl-1-Tesosterone is the most potent form of 1-Testosterone available.

These 2 paragraphs were cut and pasted here directly from THIS websites product listings for 1Test and Methyl1Test...
look it up. If you have any integrity, you will humbly remove your preposterous articles from this website. You posting them was foolish.

nice post! fukkin long 2. and i definitely agree with what u sed about him juicing when he was a cop. so what, hundreds of other cops break the law with far worse stuff then juice. not to mention alot of non-competitive cops who are into bodybuilding juice as well. so wuts up everyones ass about him juicing? geeze.

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by goth666
i never put words in ur "damned mouth". in fact, i took them out. ive seen threads from a year or more ago where u accused Skip of not being natural, and that just b/c he sez he his, doesnt mean its the truth.

and i sed "(ya layne, i know i know, u dont think they're natural) " b/c ur usually one of the ppl to come out and say "no there not natural, they can use short acting esters that wont show up" etc etc

wow, I can't believe someone would make up these blatent lies. If you kind find where I said any such thing and give me the link I'll be more than happy to make a formal apology and eat my words. But I NEVER said that

and I don't know **** about esters or any of that bull**** so I know damned well I didn't say that