What does pogue have to say

[dC_519]

was just wondering what pogue has to say about Animal Nitro

[Ichi the Killer]

My prediction: "Dont bother."
My prediction: "Read my post on Animal products"

[bigpump23]

I'm a user of animal nitro and I feel it has really benefited me..I'm on my 2nd week..i'll report my gains next week

[pogue]

ingredients?

[ballbags1]

Originally posted by dC_519
was just wondering what pogue has to say about Animal Nitro

I just got the Animal Nitro...I just started it yesterday and will let you guy's know how it works.

[gut23]

its on bb.com check it out yourself dude.

[pogue]

Supplement Facts:

Serving Size: 2 Packs
Servings Per Container: 22

Amount Per Serving:

Vitamin B6: 500mcg
(pyridoxine HCl)
Niacin: 10mg
(as niacinamide)

Human Muscle Protein Complex: 4995mg
Arginine
Histidine
Isoleucine
Leucine
Lysine
Methionine
Phenylalanine
Threonine
Valine
Pro BCAA Complex:
Leucine: 3500mg
Isoleucine: 1690mg
Valine: 1815mg

Okay, it's just aminos?? So whats the big scoop on this?

[dio]

Originally posted by pogue
Okay, it's just aminos?? So whats the big scoop on this?

This is Animal. CAN YOU HANDLE IT?

[dC_519]

I'd figure that you would have a stronger opionion on this since its a UNIVERSAL product

[gut23]

Originally posted by pogue
ingredients?

Pouge, here is the thread that has all the info, I am surprised you didnt see it earlier.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hreadid=285748

[pogue]

Originally posted by gut23
Pouge, here is the thread that has all the info, I am surprised you didnt see it earlier.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hreadid=285748

I posted in that thread

[pogue]

Originally posted by dC_519
I'd figure that you would have a stronger opionion on this since its a UNIVERSAL product

I don't have a problem with Universal. Read through my posts and I think you'll get a better idea.

[Ichi the Killer]

This is Animal. CAN YOU HANDLE IT?

Bahhahahahhahhahahhahahh!

Hey, my prediction was pretty dead on. I'm a fuggin psychic!

[pogue]

Here's my opinions on amino acid formulas:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hreadid=157007

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hreadid=117753

Heres what I will say to you all that are interested in buying this formula because of the claims being made:

Don't jump on the supplement of the month bandwagon. Save your money on time tested stuff that you know works. If you have some money left over, go out to a nice restaurant and have a fat steak.

Everybody wants to put all this false hope into these supplements that promise the sun and the moon, and by the time you realize they're ****, there is another one someone comes up with that promises the same stuff, with a different formula and prettier bottle by the next month. The sooner you figure this out, the better off you'll be. There are NO shortcuts, not even steroids.

[lenochka]

I understand where you are coming from, pogue, but what's more time tested tham amino acids?

[pogue]

Originally posted by lenochka
I understand where you are coming from, pogue, but what's more time tested tham amino acids?

Read the 2nd thread url I pasted. It has nice little studies and everything.

[Ichi the Killer]

Aminos are one thing, bundled aminos with a bunch of extra crap that drives up the price is something else. If it's your argument that aminos are time tested, then just buy some aminos.

[ballbags1]

Pogue I agree w/ you. But I don't see them touting it as the next best thing to sliced bread. What I see on this product, is that it actually has real studies to back it up unlike the other 99.9% of the supplements out there. Essential amino acids are time tested and have plenty of studies to back them up: The reason why I see essential aminos so highly are that they can be used for a specific function whether it be to increase protein synthesis, increase net nitrogen retention, ilicit an anabolic response (at a specific time such as either before or after the workout). There seems to be a huge misunderstanding on essential aminos everyone thinks it's the old Amino Tabs (which contain both essential and non-essential) from the days when Weider was huge.

Here's are acutal studies that discuss the benefits of essential aminos:

Adibi S, et al. The kinetics of amino acid absorption and alteration of plasma composition of free amino acids after intestinal perfusion of amino acid mixtures. Am J Clin Nutr 1967; 200: 24-33.

Antonio J, et al. Effects of exercise training and amino-acid supplementation on body composition and physical performance in untrained women. Nutrition 2000; 16(11-12): 1043-6.

Biolo G, et al. An abundant supply of amino acids enhances the metabolic effect of exercise on muscle protein. Am J Physiol Endocrin Metab 1997; 273: E122-E129.

Biolo G, et al. Physiologic hyperinsulinemia stimulates protein synthesis and enhances transport of selected amino acids in human skeletal muscle. J Clin Invest 1995; 95: 811-819.

Bohe J, et al. Human muscle protein synthesis is modulated by extracellular, not intramuscular amino acid availability: a dose-response study. J Physiol 2003; 552(Part 1): 315-24.

Borsheim E, et al. Essential amino acids and muscle protein recovery from resistance exercise. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2002; 283(4): E648-57).

Brooks, G. Amino acid and protein metabolism during exercise and recovery. Medicine and Science in sports and Exercise, 1987; 19(5): S150-S156.

DeBandt JP, Cynober LA. Amino acids with anabolic properties. Curr Opin Clin Nutr Metab Care 1998; 1(3): 263-72.

Edozien JC, et al. Influence of diet on growth in the rat. J Nutr 1978; 108(2): 282-90.

Ferrando A, et al. Postexercise net protein synthesis in human muscle from orally administered amino acids. Am J Physiol 1999; 276(4): E628-E634.

Kobayashi H, et al. Reduced amino acid availability inhibits muscle protein synthesis and decreases activity of initiation factor eIF2B. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2003; 284(3): 3488-98.

Lanzi R, et al. Elevated insulin levels contribute to the reduced growth hormone (GH) response to GH-releasing hormone in obese subjects. Metabolism 1999 Sep;48(9): 1152-6.

Moriarty KJ, et al. Relative nutritional value of whole protein, hydrolysed protein and free form amino acids in man. Gut 1985; 26(7): 1277-83.

Moudras C, et al. Dietary protein paradox: decrease of amino acid availability induced by high protein diets. Am J Physiol 1993; 264: G1057-1065.

Paddon-Jones D, et al. Amino acid ingestion improves muscle protein synthesis in the young and elderly. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2004; 286(3): E321-8.

Rasmussen BB, et al. An oral essential amino acid-carbohydrate supplement enhances muscle protein anabolism after resistance exercise. J Appl Physiol 2000; 88: 386-92.

Rasmussen BB, et al. Oral and intravenously administered amino acids produce similar effects on muscle protein synthesis in the elderly. J Nutr Health Aging 2002; 6(6): 358-62.

Smith K, et al. Effects of flooding amino acids on incorporation of labeled amino acids into human muscle protein. Am J Physiol 1998; 275: E73-8.

Smith K, et al. A multi-tracer investigation of the effect of a floding dose administered during the constant infusion of tracer amino acid on the rate of tracer incorporation into human muscle protein. Proc Nutr Soc 1992; 51: 109A.

Tews JK, et al. Induction of threonine imbalance by dispensable amino acids: relation to competition for amino acid transport into brain. J Nutr 1979; 109(2): 304-15.

Tipton K, et al. Acute response of net muscle protein balance reflects 24-h balance after exercise and amino acid ingestion. Am J Physiol 2003; 284(1): E76-E79.

Tipton K, et al. Exercise-induced changes in protein metabolism. Acta Physiol Scand 1998; 162(3): 377-387.

Tipton KD, et al. Timing of amino acid-carbohydrate ingestion alters anabolic response of muscle to resistance exercise. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2001; 281(2): E197-206.

Volpi E, et al. Essential amino acids are primarily responsible for the amino acid stimulation of muscle protein anabolism in healthy elderly adults. Am J Clin Nutr 2003; 28(2): 250-8.

Wolfe R. Control of muscle protein breakdown: effects of activity and nutritional states. Intl J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab 2001; S11: S164-S169.

Wolfe R. Effects of amino acid intake on anabolic processes. Can J Appl Physiol. 2001; 26 Suppl: S220-7.

[ballbags1]

This taken from an article written by Derek Charlebois which explains the benefits of essential aminos a little clearer for those who may not be familiar with their benefits:
http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/derek48.htm

Research studies have shown time and time again that NEAA are not needed to stimulate protein synthesis when EAA are consumed [8, 42, 52]. A study showed that consuming NEAA did not increase protein synthesis while consuming EAA did in fact increase protein synthesis [42]. A single six-gram serving of EAA is more than twice as effective as two, six-gram servings of mixed amino acids (EAA and NEAA) in increasing protein synthesis [1, 52]. A 200% increase in protein synthesis was observed due to EAA available after resistance exercise [5].

It has been shown that exercising after ingestion of an EAA drink maintained intracellular levels of NEAA. This showed that NEAA availability did not limit protein synthesis. The intracellular pool of amino acids were increased with EAA supplementation, but not with supplementation of EAA + NEAA [8], meaning when EAA are consumed, they go into the cells. This is in part due to EAA absorption speed.

EAA are the fastest absorbed of all amino acids [37]. All these facts show that half of the amino acids we consume from the whey protein are needed for increased anabolic activity. All these benefits were seen just with the ingestion of 6 grams of EAA. All of this happens irrelevant of carbohydrate consumption, but when combined with the proper fuel source, you are able to train at even higher levels without risking the loss of the precious EAA.

Point Blank (Summary)
Protein Turnover = Protein Synthesis - Protein Breakdown
During a workout, glycogen is depleted and protein breakdown is increased.
Low glycogen levels are detrimental to performance and recovery
Cortisol is released during exercise and when glycogen levels are low; resulting in a decrease in the free pool of amino acids due to their conversion to glucose.
EAA are extremely anabolic while the NEAA are not needed for protein synthesis.
Consuming both EAA and glucose before and after your workout will ensure anabolism while decreasing catabolism through a variety of pathways.

[pogue]

You don't have to convince me, I can't afford to be in the supplement of the month club. BRB, I have to go take a shot of Sustanon and EQ

[ballbags1]

Originally posted by pogue
You don't have to convince me, I can't afford to be in the supplement of the month club. BRB, I have to go take a shot of Sustanon and EQ