Increasing deadlift without doing them?

[Phenom01]

I am schedule to do box squats and goodmorning instead of deadlift (im on WS4SB, defranco's). Whould this increase my deadlift? Also, my good mornings are relatively weak its my first time doing them.

[GoJu]

I am schedule to do box squats and goodmorning instead of deadlift (im on WS4SB, defranco's). Whould this increase my deadlift? Also, my good mornings are relatively weak its my first time doing them.

box squats and good mornings will definetly increase your deadlift all on their own, as an example I got 50lbs on my deadlift from doing 6 weeks of smolov with parallel squats only, squatting and good mornings work great for deadlifts, as your GM's get stronger your off the floor strenght should increase

[John Prophet]

hard to say....that approach works for some but not others. IMO only advanced guys can go away from a lift then actually come back stronger and not even all of them can do it.

here is an interesting old school article on the subject: A Different Approach to Improving the Deadlift. by Bill Starr

[Westside_Reflex]

another good article http://www.elitefts.com/documents/ov...g_plateaus.htm

[James456]

hard to say....that approach works for some but not others. IMO only advanced guys can go away from a lift then actually come back stronger and not even all of them can do it.

here is an interesting old school article on the subject: A Different Approach to Improving the Deadlift. by Bill Starr

Good article John

[Brad Cowin]

Mine jumped from 500 to 545 in a couple months just from low box squats.

[meathead198]

hard to say....that approach works for some but not others. IMO only advanced guys can go away from a lift then actually come back stronger and not even all of them can do it.

here is an interesting old school article on the subject: A Different Approach to Improving the Deadlift. by Bill Starr

Thats a pretty blanket statement. Say I can deadlift 600, and decide to stop pulling for 3 months, instead concentrate on heavy box squats and goodmornings. The posterior chain strength from these over 3 months will have a massive carryover to deadlifting (especially sumo) and after maybe 1-2 weeks (after you have the form back down) of deads your strength should be a lot higher and I would expect to get at least 620 if not more.

[ehlpitel]

I'd say it depends how you do your squats, if you're doing them really leaning back and hitting your hamstrings up, then it should help your deads.

[powerlifter70]

Works for some and not for others...I got stuck at about 600 and quit doing deads for 12 weeks. All I did were box squats and goodmornings and I blasted out of the rut. After that cycle I peaked at about 640. My training partner had similar luck but did not increase his 1rm as much as I did. He did increase by about 20 to 25 lbs. Most people are strong off the floor...its the grip that usually fails.

[stronglifts]

I am schedule to do box squats and goodmorning instead of deadlift (im on WS4SB, defranco's). Whould this increase my deadlift? Also, my good mornings are relatively weak its my first time doing them.

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Good Luck.

[John Prophet]

Thats a pretty blanket statement. Say I can deadlift 600, and decide to stop pulling for 3 months, instead concentrate on heavy box squats and goodmornings. The posterior chain strength from these over 3 months will have a massive carryover to deadlifting (especially sumo) and after maybe 1-2 weeks (after you have the form back down) of deads your strength should be a lot higher and I would expect to get at least 620 if not more.

depends....because you threw specificity out the door

[ukstrongman]

Hate to be too simplistic here but if you want to increase your deadlift just train it! Pull from the floor, off blocks, from the rack, on a thick bar, for reps, for triples, etc... just deadlift.

[75kg]

Hate to be too simplistic here but if you want to increase your deadlift just train it! Pull from the floor, off blocks, from the rack, on a thick bar, for reps, for triples, etc... just deadlift.

That's what I would say. Perfection of form is paramount and the only way to get perfect(or close to it) is to keep doing the lift. Pretty much anything involving the hips, back and or legs will help your deadlift in some small way. It's not actually that crazy to up your deadlift without deadlifting though, back in the 60's when powerlifting was in it's infancy, the best deadlifters weren't powerlifters they were olympic lifters or big farmboys. Try all different kinds of deadlifts like the ones Uk mentioned for 1-2 weeks then don't deadlift for the next 1-2 weeks and instead sub in GM's, low box squats, etc then repeat. I'm not a big deadlifter by any means but cycling seems to be the best way to up any lift, or so I've seen and experienced, everyone is different after all!
Good Luck!

[ukstrongman]

Agreed, most oly lifters do a lot of high pulls and snatch pulls and things that work pretty much like doing a deadlift with an explosive power shrug at the top. Try movements like this an your dl will definately go up or at the very least your speed off the floor will improve.

[Radok]

Thats a pretty blanket statement. Say I can deadlift 600, and decide to stop pulling for 3 months, instead concentrate on heavy box squats and goodmornings. The posterior chain strength from these over 3 months will have a massive carryover to deadlifting (especially sumo) and after maybe 1-2 weeks (after you have the form back down) of deads your strength should be a lot higher and I would expect to get at least 620 if not more.

He said it works for some and not for others, then you say that's a blanket statement, then you basically say "nuh uh, it must work cause it seems like it should". That's a blanket statement. How bout if your grip weakens cause you're not deadlifting? How much carry over will the posterior strength have then? Issues like that are why it works for some and not for others, people have different strengths and weaknesses.

[John Prophet]

hehe...even the mighty westsiders have had to sort of rethink the whole "u dont need to dead to get better at dead" ideas

[METAL VIPER]

I've had success by just concentrating on box squats and full squats. About 2 months later, my dead jumped 40lbs.