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    Thank you for your response. It gives me hope that I can also recover without surgery. I am certain mine is the result of heavy bench press / weighted dips. At first I thought it was an AC joint sprain, as that also seems to be a dip/bench related injury, but the fuzzy clavicle end on the X-Ray confirmed DCO. I'm willing to give up dips, but I'd like to keep bench press in my routine (once I'm recovered). It's a discouraging injury because it's not debilitating but takes forever to heal. I'm about 5 months out. So far it still aches and I know if I were to do some pushups or bench it would flare up and then the ache turns into a prolonged burn.

    Either it heals on its own, or I'm getting the surgery. The plan right now is no upper body lifting. Only legs.

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    Originally Posted by bluehendrix View Post
    Thank you for your response. It gives me hope that I can also recover without surgery. I am certain mine is the result of heavy bench press / weighted dips. At first I thought it was an AC joint sprain, as that also seems to be a dip/bench related injury, but the fuzzy clavicle end on the X-Ray confirmed DCO. I'm willing to give up dips, but I'd like to keep bench press in my routine (once I'm recovered). It's a discouraging injury because it's not debilitating but takes forever to heal. I'm about 5 months out. So far it still aches and I know if I were to do some pushups or bench it would flare up and then the ache turns into a prolonged burn.

    Either it heals on its own, or I'm getting the surgery. The plan right now is no upper body lifting. Only legs.

    I'll update this thread along the way.
    Good luck to you! Be patient. What you really have to do at this stage is to rest it & eliminate all problematic lifts from your routine. With time you wil be able to reintroduce them, gradually. I got to the stage for a few months now that I don`t think about it on a daily basis as it doesn`t hurt all all. It`s like out of sight out of mind. But I still know I have to be careful and if I see/feel that certain movements might aggrevate it I stop and take them out for a time. I don`t think it was a surprise at all that I had my issues in the middle of the pandemic as I had set up my home gym shortly before and with the limited equipment available, I started doing heavy strength training without proper rotation of different phases and I had no specilty bars let alone machines. I now have more bars available and the difference is astonishing! Football bar for instance has been great as it puts less stress on my shoulder, I remember I used it for weeks on end when I couldn`t bench press with a straight bar. What I`m trying to say is that with access to a proper gym with different equipment, recovery could be a breeze! You could try different bench press & row machines. I do miss the gym environment in this sense and I do venture to say I would never have had my issues in the first place, had I still have access to a gym during the pandemic. The limited equipment limits you and that`s when the issues start..
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    Originally Posted by hajdugabor View Post
    Hey, very similar story here, I`m 39 and after 20 years of lifting I developed DCO on my right shoulder, quite mild discomfort, I take a minimal amount of joint support which is standard anyway. It started worse about 4-5 month ago but got much better to the point where I have full pain free range of motion now. Basically, it only affects me if I try to bench press the same way I did before albeit with some modifications ( close grip instead of wide for instance) I`m still able to do it but with less volume. I also went to one of the best Orthopedic surgeon in London and after a couple of X rays he told me that he definitely doesn`t recommend keyhole surgery as he said he had seen worse cases with no symptoms before.
    I`m also in the same dilemma as I read a few cases where someone was having pain 1-2 years post op which I definitely don`t want to risk. But then I also realized most of these people had an actual injury, a major trauma to the A/C joint where they were in constant pain to begin with. So for now I`m leaning in the direction to be patient and see how it goes in the next few months although with Covid now I`m working from home so I`m in a perfect spot to recover.
    Happy to discuss it in details, perhaps we can learn from each other?
    Hey bud, I live in London as well and have the same issue. Out of curiosity, which surgeon did you see? I’ve seen two so far (Dr. Tony Kochhar and Dr. Andrew Wallace) both saying my case was mild so basically it was a toss up if I wanted to pull the trigger on surgery.
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    Originally Posted by Goldengoal View Post
    Hey bud, I live in London as well and have the same issue. Out of curiosity, which surgeon did you see? I’ve seen two so far (Dr. Tony Kochhar and Dr. Andrew Wallace) both saying my case was mild so basically it was a toss up if I wanted to pull the trigger on surgery.
    Dr Simon Owen-Johnstone at the Shard. I chose him because he is speciliasing in upper limbs.
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    hajdugabor,

    Did you have any popping, crunching or slipping in your joint? My pain has mostly subsided and I'm thinking about easing into workouts again, but I have some slipping going on that was not there prior to the onset of osteolysis.
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    Originally Posted by bluehendrix View Post
    hajdugabor,

    Did you have any popping, crunching or slipping in your joint? My pain has mostly subsided and I'm thinking about easing into workouts again, but I have some slipping going on that was not there prior to the onset of osteolysis.
    Yes I had popping and crunching. Not sure about the slipping. I am now back to lifting and as the shoulder get stronger I have less and less abnormal sounds and pain has greatly diminished. I'd like to say to zero, but when I load a back squat the first one can be a bit painful, but the rest get better.

    Don't do what I did -- I started back with a number of isolated movements only to find just how weak all of my supporting muscles were, then injured my forearm. I've primarily switched to compound movements and generally feel better. Working back in some lighter isolated movements.
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    Since this is the offical DCR thread, has anyone had a "mini" mumford where they take out minimal bone vs the usual operation?
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    Originally Posted by bluehendrix View Post
    hajdugabor,

    Did you have any popping, crunching or slipping in your joint? My pain has mostly subsided and I'm thinking about easing into workouts again, but I have some slipping going on that was not there prior to the onset of osteolysis.
    I occasionally have some popping, had it pre DCO too. No slipping though.
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