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    The FULL TRUTH on Kre Alkalyn

    after rereading the patent on Kre Alkalyn I realize what exactly it is:
    In accordance with the present invention, the inventor has created a buffered delivery system wherein creatine monohydrate is dissolved in a solution having a pH greater than 7. The inventor has developed five separate systems for delivery of creatine in an oral supplement.

    The first is a powder mix having the following formulation:
    Creatine Monohydrate 5000 mg
    Sugar (from dextrose, fructose, sucrose, 10-15 g
    or a type of sugar)
    Maltodextrin (from corn and/or rice) 5-10 g
    Soda Ash 50 mg-1.5 g
    Natural and/or Artificial Flavors 2 g
    Magnesium Glycerol Phosphate 500 mg
    Aspartame, Acesulfame K, Sucralose 200 mg
    and/or Stevia Extract
    (Powder mix can be with/without
    flavors, sugars or sweeteners)

    In capsule form, the capsule includes the following formulation:
    Creatine Monohydrate 1000 mg
    Maltodextrin 200 mg
    Magnesium Stearate 5 mg
    Magnesium Glycerol Phosphate 25 mg
    Soda Ash 5-1000 mg
    Natural and/or Artificial Flavors 20 mg

    In tablet form, the formulation is as follows:
    Creatine Monohydrate 250 mg
    Sorbitol 400 mg
    Microcrystalline Cellulose 50 mg
    Magnesium Stearate 5 mg
    Magnesium Glycerol Phosphate 25 mg
    Soda Ash 5-500 mg


    In liquid form, the formulation is as follows:
    Creatine Monohydrate 3 grams
    Water 1-30 ml
    Glycerine 1-30 ml
    Magnesium Glycerol Phosphate 25 mg
    Natural and/or Artificial Flavors 5 ml
    Soda Ash 50-1000 mg
    Potassium Sorbate 200 mcg


    In a softgel form, the formulation is as follows:
    Creatine Monohydrate 100 mg
    Sugar 300 mg
    Chocolate 50 mg
    Soy Bean Oil 500 mg
    Magnesium Glycerol Phosphate 25 mg
    Soda Ash 5-1000 mg


    Now there is the FULL truth on what exactly Kre Alkalyn is.
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    with this knowledge, would it be possible to make your own for much cheaper??? by just using creatine mono and soda ash??

    and a very good post
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    so does anyone know if soda ash is ok to ingest?
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    Creatine Mono. + Baking Soda = Krealk.
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    as a creatine mono non-responder, kre alkalyn never worked for me.
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    Originally posted by American Hunk
    as a creatine mono non-responder, kre alkalyn never worked for me.
    if you look at the patent, kre alkalyn shouldnt work for you it is just creatine mono with sugar, malto and baking soda.

    It is is amazing what you find out about a patented supplement when you look up the patent and see what makes it up, this is not that special in my opinion. I am looking forward to creatine ester ethyl
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    from:http://www.syntrax.com/bulletin/topi...&TOPIC_ID=2808
    "There is much confusion on what soda ash, sodium bicarbonate, baking soda, etc, etc, is. Although technically sodium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate are different, there purposes and effects...both positive and negative...are the same. The point remains...taking creatine monohydrate with lots of sodium is not beneficial and is actually harmful. It is interesting how the consumer takes this without even knowing what he/she consumes.

    In terms of creatinine...the propaganda in their literature is laughable. Many studies show that plain ole creatine monohydrate does NOT turn nearly instantly into creatinine. This stuff is on par with creatine serum stuff." - Derek
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    In terms of creatinine...the propaganda in their literature is laughable. Many studies show that plain ole creatine monohydrate does NOT turn nearly instantly into creatinine. This stuff is on par with creatine serum stuff." - Derek
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    yea sure.
    i read somewhere even Musclet-ch says kre alkalyn sucks; a rip-off based on no science while nitro-tech & cell-tech rule...
    The issue with creatinine *is* real.
    Every company has been coming out with 99 different creatine salts since day one mainly because of that; and because of discomfort triggered by heaping doses of regular creatine.
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    I'll keep using Kre-Alkalyn for the time being.
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    i am going to bump this for others to see
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    interesting. i've never used it, so i'm not that worried but interesting nonetheless.
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    So I can get mono & baking soda & make it? Why dont I get the bloat like I did from mono?
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    Originally Posted by Lunchbox5424
    So I can get mono & baking soda & make it? Why dont I get the bloat like I did from mono?
    Baking soda is not in Kre-Alkalyn.
    Soda ash is what's used.
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    Originally Posted by zachattack43
    after rereading the patent on Kre Alkalyn I realize what exactly it is:
    In accordance with the present invention, the inventor has created a buffered delivery system wherein creatine monohydrate is dissolved in a solution having a pH greater than 7. The inventor has developed five separate systems for delivery of creatine in an oral supplement.

    The first is a powder mix having the following formulation:
    Creatine Monohydrate 5000 mg
    Sugar (from dextrose, fructose, sucrose, 10-15 g
    or a type of sugar)
    Maltodextrin (from corn and/or rice) 5-10 g
    Soda Ash 50 mg-1.5 g
    Natural and/or Artificial Flavors 2 g
    Magnesium Glycerol Phosphate 500 mg
    Aspartame, Acesulfame K, Sucralose 200 mg
    and/or Stevia Extract
    (Powder mix can be with/without
    flavors, sugars or sweeteners)

    In capsule form, the capsule includes the following formulation:
    Creatine Monohydrate 1000 mg
    Maltodextrin 200 mg
    Magnesium Stearate 5 mg
    Magnesium Glycerol Phosphate 25 mg
    Soda Ash 5-1000 mg
    Natural and/or Artificial Flavors 20 mg

    In tablet form, the formulation is as follows:
    Creatine Monohydrate 250 mg
    Sorbitol 400 mg
    Microcrystalline Cellulose 50 mg
    Magnesium Stearate 5 mg
    Magnesium Glycerol Phosphate 25 mg
    Soda Ash 5-500 mg


    In liquid form, the formulation is as follows:
    Creatine Monohydrate 3 grams
    Water 1-30 ml
    Glycerine 1-30 ml
    Magnesium Glycerol Phosphate 25 mg
    Natural and/or Artificial Flavors 5 ml
    Soda Ash 50-1000 mg
    Potassium Sorbate 200 mcg


    In a softgel form, the formulation is as follows:
    Creatine Monohydrate 100 mg
    Sugar 300 mg
    Chocolate 50 mg
    Soy Bean Oil 500 mg
    Magnesium Glycerol Phosphate 25 mg
    Soda Ash 5-1000 mg


    Now there is the FULL truth on what exactly Kre Alkalyn is.
    Great post. Its always good to know exactly what we are putting in our bodies.
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    so it makes it work better because i think it does since i am taking right know.
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    Originally Posted by Nsruffryder34
    Creatine Mono. + Baking Soda = Krealk.

    baking soda = sodium bicarbonate

    soda ash = sodium carbonate


    the latter is more alkaline.
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    creatine with soda ash should form a water soluble sodium salt that then probably absorbs alot quicker than creatine monohydrate and results in less gastric disturbance

    i am not sure if baking soda is alkaline enough to fully form this salt
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    Creatine with soda ash is total junk. This is just the simple fack jack.
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    with that chemical combination, id be expecting anyone on that stuff too suffer from diaherra or some sort of gastric irritation
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    Originally Posted by Mishima
    with that chemical combination, id be expecting anyone on that stuff too suffer from diaherra or some sort of gastric irritation

    that would be dose dependent. your body probably could handle the small amount of soda ash it takes to buffer a gram or two of creatine mono

    i still think CEE is a better option though
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    Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold
    creatine with soda ash should form a water soluble sodium salt that then probably absorbs alot quicker than creatine monohydrate and results in less gastric disturbance

    i am not sure if baking soda is alkaline enough to fully form this salt
    Hey PA why dont you have a creatine product ?
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    I knew kre was nothing more than mono! Just take more mono than normal if your scared of creatinine conversion.
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    So actually 1g of Kre-Alka doesnt contain 1g of CREATINE?
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    Originally Posted by kendog
    I knew kre was nothing more than mono! Just take more mono than normal if your scared of creatinine conversion.
    there is no way you can think kre is the same as mono gram for gram or at any amount of mono. to 2g kre-alk/day. If you think so then you have never used kre-alkalyn.
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    Originally Posted by kendog
    I knew kre was nothing more than mono! Just take more mono than normal if your scared of creatinine conversion.

    I'm a little confused by this statment above. What could possibly be wrong with Creatine Monohydrate as the key ingredient in Kre-Alkalyn? it is the single most studied form of creatine ever. In other words, we already know it works. They simply fixed its "problems."

    Think about it this way. What would be the type of creatine used in all the esters out there? The point of esterfication is to take the existing compound and esterfy it to protect it and deliver it to cells. Think of it as encasing the original creatine source in a protective "sheath" of sorts. So the question becomes, what type of creatine is being used? Monohydrate? Titrate? Malate?

    By the way, I think I mentioned in another thread that I got to speak with the inventor of Kre at the Iron Man Fit Expo. I asked him if Kre was just creatine mixed with Soda Ash since it is listed in his patent info (I even took a copy).

    He took me through it and explained that those ingredients listed in the patent are simply examples. That his patent attorney was very smart and had him only show basic examples that are extemely broad. He said that if they did happen to list the exact formula and tried to just patent only that, all someone would have to do is make slight changes, or add one extra ingredient and they could get around his patent. It's also why he got a patent on pH levels 7-14 too.

    He mentioned that soda ash could possibly work, but that they have much better ways to create Kre since you never know when a supply of any one ingredient might not be available. In other words, if they did happen to depend on using soda ash, suppose it was suddenly not available? You are out if business and have distributors and other manufacturers and consumers mad at you. He also mentioned that soda ash is okay for human consumption, but it would definitely not be the best choice.

    Plus, it isn't any one ingredient they use for buffering, but the actual process they use to actually create it in the first place. That is why you can't just take Tums or mix regular creatine with baking soda in a glass. It is the actual manufacturing process that makes it work. That is also why they got what's called a manufacturing patent (much harder to get).

    The bottom line is that due to the way the patent was created, it doesn't matter what anyone else uses (soda ash or whatever) to raise pH, if they cross over into pH 7 and up they are infringing on their patent.

    In the end, who cares what Kre is...just as long as it is safe and works? And if CEE is the same, why argue? That is what gets me. I just want results for all my efforts in the gym. I rather be big and strong than worry about who is "right".

    Geez, that actually got really long...sorry fellas.

    Also, if this still sounds bogus to you, why not just go to his site and email him yourself? I can tell you from firsthand experience he's extremely nice and will help you out.
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    So actually 1g of Kre-Alka doesnt contain 1g of CREATINE?
    No 1 gram of Kre-Alkalyn = 5-10 grams of mono. I just bought 500grms from SciFitthe other day just to try it out.
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    Originally Posted by kris4153
    No 1 gram of Kre-Alkalyn = 5-10 grams of mono. I just bought 500grms from SciFitthe other day just to try it out.
    wtf that is impossible

    im asking how much creatine is in 1g of kre-alkalyn and not how strong is kre-alka
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    Originally Posted by avian
    im asking how much creatine is in 1g of kre-alkalyn and not how strong is kre-alka
    That would depend upon which form of kre-alkalyn you're talking about (powder, capsule, tablet, ...). If the product formulations are in fact as stated in the original post, then knowing which form you're asking about, it's a simple mater of doing the math.
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    Originally Posted by DaddyR
    That would depend upon which form of kre-alkalyn you're talking about (powder, capsule, tablet, ...). If the product formulations are in fact as stated in the original post, then knowing which form you're asking about, it's a simple mater of doing the math.
    So, according to my maths, kre-alkalyn powder form has 200mg of creatine/1g. Aint that low?
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