Boldione results? Bill Llewellyn

[Reggie]

I keep on reading people say they will post results on this product but very few seem to have much to say other than it increases appetite. I'd be interested in trying it on a stand alone basis. If I take 300-600mg a day what results could I expect to see based on feedback of others?

[w_llewellyn]

Originally posted by Reggie
I keep on reading people say they will post results on this product but very few seem to have much to say other than it increases appetite. I'd be interested in trying it on a stand alone basis. If I take 300-600mg a day what results could I expect to see based on feedback of others?

I don't know where everyone is hiding. The feedback I get in phonecalls and emails is phenominal..

If you are doing it alone I'd go for the full 600mg. You will make VERY good gains in lean mass. I won't blindly guess how much weight you will gain, but from talking with people it is often 10lbs or more on a good cycle.

- Bill

[BC1]

I took 600 mg/d of boldione for approx 5 weeks. Higher doses are just too expensive. As compared to 1-test or 1-AD I did not notice any strength increases until week 3 and they were very minor. No mass increases as compared to 1-AD during the first 3 weeks. 1 lb gain during week 4. I was not very impressed with boldione by itself and I still had libido suppression, but no feelings of lethargy. I aslo did not exp. that feeling as with 1-test of feeling strong, focused, and pumped.

After week 4, I added in 375 mg/d of SAUCE with the 600 mg/d of boldione. Strength and weight shot up significantly for the 12 days I was on both SAUCE and boldione. Gained approx 2-3 lbs in 12 days. Did not want to stop. Still had libido supp, but the feeling of lethargy common with 1-test was not there with both.

I would sum up by saying that even though boldione is touted as being good for mass by itself, I did not expereince any signiifcant results. However, it does seem to compliment the effects of 1-test if both are taken.

[Stomper]

Originally posted by BC1

I would sum up by saying that even though boldione is touted as being good for mass by itself, I did not expereince any signiifcant results. However, it does seem to compliment the effects of 1-test if both are taken.

Ouch!
Anybody got any better results.. there must be more people that have used boldione!

[Reggie]

I have to say that the case for Boldione rests almost purely on trusting Bill Llewellyn at his word. It sounds good on paper but real world results - when used on a standalone basis seem invisible.

[Stomper]

DAMN!!
I'm still undecided about what prohormone to take with my ONE..
I was gonna take 900mg a day of boldione.. Maybe I'll just take me some 4-diol.
Hey BILL have you got a page with reports on boldione use and results?? If not post some responses you got here plz..
I need to order ASAP..

[w_llewellyn]

Originally posted by Stomper
DAMN!!
I'm still undecided about what prohormone to take with my ONE..
I was gonna take 900mg a day of boldione.. Maybe I'll just take me some 4-diol.
Hey BILL have you got a page with reports on boldione use and results?? If not post some responses you got here plz..
I need to order ASAP..

I'm working on doing something. For now, try looking at the boards on inshapeonline.com. There is some very good feedback there. The owner Garrett uses Boldione himself as well, and can't stop raving about it.

- Bill

[IronFiend54]

Bill I sent you a PM concerning the 1,4..just posting in case you haven't gotten around to them...Thanks

[Reggie]

Bill apart from the owner of the site I saw little feedback on Boldione. You should definitely look to create a feedback board similar to Par's to promote Boldione since feedback on BB.com is either negative or invisible given the lack of response to this thread.

[D&G]

I have ordered some but I plan on using it with ONE, I don't want to waste my time using anything on its own

[Bison]

Originally posted by D&G
I have ordered some but I plan on using it with ONE, I don't want to waste my time using anything on its own

Bump on that.

1,4 andro is for stacking. Sh*t, even injecting straight up EQ wont give you much in the way of mass gains on its own, but works synergystically with other hormones.

[Complete Muscle]

I believe I've also seen some feedback on elite
( http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/index.php )

[Reggie]

You say it is for stacking but are you sure that any enhanced results you see with, say, 1-t plus boldione isn't just down to a higher dosage of androgens than if you used just one prohormone on its own? In other words, 600mg of 1-T is obviously gonna be inferior to 600 mg of 1-T plus 600mg of boldione. But at an equal dosage most people have noticed standalone 1-T to be better than a stack for lean muscle gains. So why bother stacking?

[D&G]

stacking works better - even steroids need to be stacked,

[Bison]

Originally posted by Reggie
So why bother stacking?

Ph, even more so that steroids, need to be stacked. Maximum efficacy, enzymatic saturation, and potential side effects are all factors. There are basically 4 phs' worth using. Transdermal 4diol, nordiol, 1test/1ad oral, and oral 1 4andro. IMO, the only decent ph stack is all of these at once at max dosage or close to it.

[w_llewellyn]

Originally posted by Reggie
You say it is for stacking but are you sure that any enhanced results you see with, say, 1-t plus boldione isn't just down to a higher dosage of androgens than if you used just one prohormone on its own? In other words, 600mg of 1-T is obviously gonna be inferior to 600 mg of 1-T plus 600mg of boldione. But at an equal dosage most people have noticed standalone 1-T to be better than a stack for lean muscle gains. So why bother stacking?

A good reason to stack is estrogen. It is absent in 1-Test, and does support muscle growth outside of just water retention. Stacking a non-estrogenic anabolic with an estrogenic one does have merit.

That said I am using 1-Test alone at the moment, and like it quite a lot. But it is like using any non-estrogenic builder, not the most potent mass builder, and better for lean growth, strength and definition. Definitely stack it with 4-AD, or at least Boldione, if mass is your focus.

-- Bill

[Kriscube]

Since there is not much being posted about the results from Boldione I will be a test subject. I am not a professional bodybuilder or anything like that just a regular guy who likes working out. I am 5 ft 11 and I weigh 190 lbs. I had my bodyfat checked on 1 Feb 2002 and I was at 183 lbs and 8.4%. As a matter of fact I was stuck at around 180 to 185 for the past year or so. I started taking 4-diol April 1, 2002 and I have put on about 7lbs. I took a picture before I started and I will take one at the end of May and post both of them. I am going to stack Boldione and 4-diol starting on 29 Apr 2002. 1200mg of 4-diol and 400mg of Boldione. What do you think. Is this enough boldione. Or do you have to take 600mg. When should I start feeling it.

[Serpentstrike]

At least 600mg. I tried it at 500mg and thought it was ok, but will use 800mg next time.

[Kriscube]

Did it mess with your libido any. I don't want to take anything that has a negative effect on my libido.

[Reggie]

If you really wanted to test boldione why not at least use mainly boldione rather than 4-ad. Interesting fact about estrogen. I always assumed the estrogen related size/strength effects of ph's were transitory which would disappear at the end of the cycle. Based on feedback on this forum it I don't see very many people talking about retainied gains on a stack being higher than just 1-test. In other words whilst a combined total of 1g of a stack might produce better strength/size whilst "on" than just 1g of 1-test, once "off" the latter will display better gains. Is this right?

BTW Bill I hope you don't think I am trashing Boldione. It is definitely something I'd buy if I saw better feedback.

[Reggie]

There is a thread on boldione on elitefitness where someone from Inshapeonline says his experience with 1,4 andro alone wasn't impressive.

[w_llewellyn]

Originally posted by Reggie
There is a thread on boldione on elitefitness where someone from Inshapeonline says his experience with 1,4 andro alone wasn't impressive.

Garrett from Inshape raves about it though.

[phattony]

Originally posted by Bison


Ph, even more so that steroids, need to be stacked. Maximum efficacy, enzymatic saturation, and potential side effects are all factors. There are basically 4 phs' worth using. Transdermal 4diol, nordiol, 1test/1ad oral, and oral 1 4andro. IMO, the only decent ph stack is all of these at once at max dosage or close to it.

What about 3-alpha...

[Bison]

Originally posted by phattony


What about 3-alpha...

Oh yeah that too but I was thinking more along the lines of bulking since I dont ever cut. I believe 3a is pretty similar to 5aa but with a much higher conversion rate to DHT. Im a really vain hair guy so I wouldnt take this stuff anyway but I dont think any prohormone is potent enough to cause any discernible sides if used properly and a few precautions taken. This might be a good one to take to preserve muscle during cutting.

[SLY]

Just finished my 3rd week of 1,4 andro at 600mg a day. Strength really starting to increase,just had my best leg workout ever!. My squat has went up 25lbs! I got 4 weeks worth to try out and would like to purchase more but cash is low. So we'll see.
I also just finished 4 weeks of homeade ether gels 2weeks ago at 400mg and was just starting to see noticeable results. I did feel a difference after about a week though.
I seperated these two so I could the difference on what was doing what. My next stack will be one of the following.
600mg 1,4 andro+ 400mg ether gels-8weeks
or
600mg 1,4 andro+ 250-300mg 3-Alpha
or
600mg 1,4 andro+ 19-nor gels(if Bill has them out)
I also thought about adding 900mg 4andro to one of these.
I also plan on using bioperine and maybe Lpc, not sure on dosage of these,I have to do more research.
I will conclude to say that I like the 1,4 andro very much and have no sides except alot of pimples on my back. 1-test didn't even give me this many zits! and I did a hardcore dosage of One+ for 6 weeks.

[phattony]

Originally posted by SLY
Just finished my 3rd week of 1,4 andro at 600mg a day. Strength really starting to increase,just had my best leg workout ever!. My squat has went up 25lbs! I got 4 weeks worth to try out....

Sound great bro, I like to hear this.