Creatine loading for a contest

**j_neatherlin** · 03-12-2004, 05:36 PM

I posted this over at the supps forum but got mixed information, so I figure it wouldn't hurt to try over here

After reading a few contest prep articles on the main site, I've decided to creatine load the last few days before my show.

I realize that loading creatine monohydrate should be @ ~20g ed. If using a product like Swole v2, how much would be a proper loading dose? Or should I stick with monohydrate?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hreadid=239853

**Antoine** · 03-12-2004, 06:38 PM

Im doing my first comp in may, and i wonder about creatine too. Because we need to remove some water for the contest, and some people say we need to load creatine, but creatine makes water go into muscle cells for cooling etc...

so im confuse.

Me and j_neatherlin want to know!

**Most Muscular** · 03-13-2004, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by Antoine
Im doing my first comp in may, and i wonder about creatine too. Because we need to remove some water for the contest, and some people say we need to load creatine, but creatine makes water go into muscle cells for cooling etc...

so im confuse.

Me and j_neatherlin want to know!

Hmmm.... "water goes into muscle cells" is that a bad thing? I don't think so. You want your muscles to be full of water and your skin not. If creating typically pulls the water into your muscles then go for it.

I have.

**j_neatherlin** · 03-13-2004, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by Most Muscular
Hmmm.... "water goes into muscle cells" is that a bad thing? I don't think so. You want your muscles to be full of water and your skin not. If creating typically pulls the water into your muscles then go for it.

I have.

thanks for the reply bro. you look incredible in your pics, btw!

anyway, any insight on if it's okay to load pre-contest with a product such as swole v2? and if so, how to go about it?

**Most Muscular** · 03-13-2004, 08:45 AM

Sorry, I am not familar with Swole V-2... I just used regular creatine

**KarateChris** · 03-13-2004, 10:26 AM

Hey, j_neatherlin, I'm curious about this also. PM BigCat and ask him. I remember him saying he's a proponent of loading creatine the week of the contest, but PM him anyway to make sure his stance is the same on this. Later.

**u5711** · 03-13-2004, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by KarateChris
Hey, j_neatherlin, I'm curious about this also. PM BigCat and ask him. I remember him saying he's a proponent of loading creatine the week of the contest, but PM him anyway to make sure his stance is the same on this. Later.

And if you do get big cat's word, post it up for the rest!

**Fletch** · 03-15-2004, 08:28 AM

Derek (Beast) would be the man to ask regarding his dosage/timing from what I remember.

- Fletch

**j_neatherlin** · 03-15-2004, 10:04 AM

thanks Ted. I will PM Derek.

still waiting to hear from Big Cat.

FYI - Layne was against the idea (maybe just my current situation)

**Fletch** · 03-15-2004, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by j_neatherlin
thanks Ted. I will PM Derek.

still waiting to hear from Big Cat.

FYI - Layne was against the idea (maybe just my current situation)

I am against the idea of loading as well. (and yes I'm aware of what muscle is composed of)

- Fletch

**j_neatherlin** · 03-15-2004, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Fletch
I am against the idea of loading as well. (and yes I'm aware of what muscle is composed of)

- Fletch

may I ask why you're against the idea? have you tried it in the past?

I understand that it's not really worth the risk if not having tried before the show, but I'm just not sure. is it b/c of the possibility of spill over? is there a possibility of spill over?

granted I'm not as keen as some of yall on here (such as yourself and Layne) but my understanding of how creatine works...I just have some difficulty seeing what the problem could be.

I've heard of people getting bloated from creatine...but I usually just dismiss that as being either a ****ty product (cell tech), more due to diet, or people not knowing wtf they're talking about.

granted that is just my assumption...doesn't make me right.

**Fletch** · 03-15-2004, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by j_neatherlin
may I ask why you're against the idea? have you tried it in the past?

I understand that it's not really worth the risk if not having tried before the show, but I'm just not sure. is it b/c of the possibility of spill over? is there a possibility of spill over?

granted I'm not as keen as some of yall on here (such as yourself and Layne) but my understanding of how creatine works...I just have some difficulty seeing what the problem could be.

I've heard of people getting bloated from creatine...but I usually just dismiss that as being either a ****ty product (cell tech), more due to diet, or people not knowing wtf they're talking about.

granted that is just my assumption...doesn't make me right.

My reasoning is because it was my first show and I had heard mixed reactions on the topic. It just wasn't worth the risk to me being my first contest. If I had planned on doing more shows than I would have experimented a little. I'm no biochemist, so our understanding of how creatine works is probably identical.

- Fletch "maybe if i sprinkled creatine on my raisens"

**j_neatherlin** · 03-15-2004, 10:39 AM

sounds golden to me bro thank you

**XTRMEWJ** · 03-15-2004, 07:55 PM

I have thought about this a lot too...I guess it all boils down to whether or not the extracellular tissues will try to/can pull intracellular water out of the cells. Thats the real question and your guess is as good as mine. I think I am going to cycle off the creatine 2 weeks out and just let the water levels normalize a bit...but who knows.

67 days en counting
Sean

**ShaneG85** · 03-25-2004, 02:05 PM

It all depends on how you look with creatine. I actually am excited when i get off creatine because i can always see new lines and muscle striations. I also look a lot leaner and harder. I will NOT be creatine loading for my competition. I got off creatine at a little less than 4 weeks out.

Shane

**XTRMEWJ** · 03-25-2004, 05:33 PM

good point there there as well...individual differences. I think I look good on creatine, but I think I will look just a little bit more tight when I am off it...

Sean

**irish_2003** · 04-05-2004, 09:28 AM

Chris Aceto has his clients creatine load. See if you can search him.

**XTRMEWJ** · 04-09-2004, 06:11 PM

If you are going to load creatine for a show, be sure to use effervescent creatine. Its 3 times more water soluble and causes virtually no extracellular water retention. The monohydrate forms of creatine cause significant sub-Q water build up.

Sean

**Aitaronz** · 04-10-2004, 06:35 AM

It would also depend on whether the brand of creatine in question used a carb transporter, wouldn't it?

I'm assuming that these products would hinder the carb depletion process... so obviously you wouldn't use it then - but perhaps plain creatine at this point would be OK? Then would you follow it up with the transporter creatine just before the competition, during the carb load?

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