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04-30-2008, 09:23 AM #11731
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04-30-2008, 09:24 AM #11732
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No, I definitely bring the bar to my nipples, and my forearm is 100% perpendicular to the floor. My glutes are on the bench, my neck is tight, my shoulder blades are pinched together, my back is tight and arched, chest is out, and feet are on the floor, not on the bench. And this still makes me feel like my rotator cuff injury is slowly creeping on me.
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04-30-2008, 09:26 AM #11733
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There is no greater natural advantage in life than to have an enemy overestimate your faults, unless it is to have a friend underestimate your virtues.
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04-30-2008, 11:05 AM #11734
Sorry, I haven't had a chance to check out your journal yet. If you don't hear from me by tomorrow, remind me, please.
1. That's a little different version of the program. Please do the cleans and not the rows. If you don't want to do the cleans, just do deadlifts every week. If you do deadlifts every two weeks, there's a good chance you can get away with two heavy sets and still recover. Just have a considerable rest period between the two sets. The cleans, if used, act as kind of a DE (westside terminology for dynamic effort) day for the deadlift.
2. Yes, you should progress every workout, even if only two pounds. If you've reached the point that you can't do that, you need to move to intermediate training. I really need to look at your journal.
3. Personally, I don't think dips add much to the program. I've never seen Rip teach them to a novice. If you want to do them, throw in a couple of sets on bench press days.
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04-30-2008, 11:08 AM #11735
I think I showed great restraint in that thead. I don't neg very often but I was about an inch away. First he told you that you need to "learn" and then told me I was making "dumb" assumptions.
My main concern was that the OP heard a different side of the story. Mission accomplished.
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04-30-2008, 11:18 AM #11736
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04-30-2008, 11:19 AM #11737
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04-30-2008, 11:45 AM #11738
Thanks for the reply Dave. I'll make sure I remind you
Actually, this variation is for intermediates. According to the writeup if you do a reset twice or are stalling on a number of lift you've reached the intermediate stage. That's what happened to me.
I'll be more then happy to drop the rows. They just didn't feel right to me, despite all my efforts to do them correctly.
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04-30-2008, 12:01 PM #11739
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04-30-2008, 12:19 PM #11740
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04-30-2008, 12:30 PM #11741
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04-30-2008, 12:42 PM #11742
hey Dave or anyone for that matter I had a question regarding cleans in this program. I know its not recommened that a person change the routine but I was wondernig about switching cleans and military presses with a simple clean and press? What do you guys think?
and if you think its okay how should the setup look?
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?Last edited by LoganX; 04-30-2008 at 12:46 PM.
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04-30-2008, 12:42 PM #11743
Thanks for the response Dave. I had my gym workout today. After spending some time again reading the knee section in SS under squats I tried to make sure my knees did not rotate inwards while lifting up. I found that at the weight I am doing its impossible for me to get the bar up without bringing me knees in to hel me get going up. So obivoulsy that tells me my form is bad and I am using way too much weight. So next workout I am dropping down maybe at least 20 pounds and make sure my knees don't go in. This is also causing me to drop my neck forwards and is straining it!
Another question: Rows.
In the sticky you say to bring your elbows back behind your back - does that mean my elbows should not be staying close to my body as I lift the weight? I was corrected by someone at the gym today who was actually familiar with what workout I was doing (he knew about ripp) but said I was doing the row wrong. He said my elbows were just pulling back in close to my body and should be out away from my body when I pull the wieght up. Is this correct?
Anyway, when I tried his method i found it much more difficult and know in this exercise looks like I have the wrong form and to correct it will need much less weight!! Damn there goes my progress.
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04-30-2008, 12:48 PM #11744
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04-30-2008, 12:50 PM #11745
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04-30-2008, 12:50 PM #11746
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04-30-2008, 12:54 PM #11747
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04-30-2008, 01:04 PM #11748
Dave,
On the press, I let the bar roll down the fingers and then roll it back down to my palms. The weight is getting heavier, so I gotta push press one or two reps. Or is it to where I will have to deweight or reset?
Don't buttwink on the squat, Bring the bar down to delts on the Military Press, and Don't fall back on your heels during the power clean. Are these the only mistakes that I must correct??
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04-30-2008, 02:18 PM #11749
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04-30-2008, 02:19 PM #11750
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04-30-2008, 02:37 PM #11751
If the bar rolls down to the fingers, it will bend your hands back. I would think that would be a little painful on the wrists. If you have to do a push press, it's time to reset. Push presses are good but that's not what we're doing here. You're not bringing the bar all the way down either. It will be even harder for you when you do that.
Don't buttwink on the squat, Bring the bar down to delts on the Military Press, and Don't fall back on your heels during the power clean. Are these the only mistakes that I must correct??
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04-30-2008, 02:50 PM #11752
A true clean and press is something you don't know how to do. Done properly, it's done as a jump press and you wind up with one leg in front of you and one behind you. Then you take a step to bring both legs together. I'm betting you didn't have all this in mind.
I'll ask Rip about it and see if he bites my head off. The first problem that I see is that you wouldn't have a 1:1 ratio of overhead to bench pressing. I know that's a problem. Rip likes to stay at that ratio. If you are going to do it, you'd at least need to alternate between bench and clean/press.
I don't much like the idea but I don't really know why. Like I said, I'll mention it to Rip.
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04-30-2008, 03:02 PM #11753
i'm starting to think dave and rip are the same person. They're about the same age, but are total opposites. They both have threads on a forum, but Dave is extremely patient and Rip just elbow drops people. When they were younger, Rip was a cocky kid who worked out and thought he knew everything; Dave rocked a pocket protector, dominated school, and therefore did know everything. Dave has physics; Rip, biology.
It reminds me of how clark kent was the clumsy, shy alter ego of the confident superman. I think i am on to something: Dave is just the nice side, and when someone needs to get put in place, Rip is "asked".
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04-30-2008, 03:20 PM #11754
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04-30-2008, 03:46 PM #11755
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04-30-2008, 05:10 PM #11756
Newbie to Starting Strength. I am on about page 130 of this thread. Skimming as I go.
I am coming off a 11 week cut. Will start the program upon returning from vacation in about 2 weeks. Oh how I wish I had known about Starting Strength a year ago. Anyway, better late than never.
This past December I had shoulder surgery. I can perform all of the required lifts with minimal pain. My biggest concern, however, is arm/hand position on the squat.
Due to my shoulder issue, I must grip the bar rather widely. I have been working on flexibility since surgery and it simply is not getting much better. My old routine called for 20 rep squats so there was no way to keep my hand position near my ears for 20 reps. I am hoping that will change for 5 reps.
If not, what is the downside of not being able to grip the bar close to my ears?
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04-30-2008, 05:23 PM #11757
Actually, I just looked at your jpg for it and that's exactly what I'm already doing! Well, for squats at least. I'm not doing 2 sets of warm-ups with an empty bar for the other exercises.
The one place where I seem to really go my own way, as far as warm-ups, is with deadlifts. I just don't see how 3 warmups can be enough when you're doing one maximum set of 5. So, yeah, I even go against Rip on that one (my balls just grew as I typed that), and warm up deadlifts almost as much as squats.
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04-30-2008, 05:25 PM #11758
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04-30-2008, 05:26 PM #11759
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04-30-2008, 05:30 PM #11760
Would I be better off with the wider grip or investing in a safety bar or buffalo bar (per the sticky)? FYI - I work out at home.
While my weight is lower (say under 200 lbs), I am thinking the wider grip will be ok, but as I progress, I am thinking different bar.
Thoughts?
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